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Re: El Maestro: Xavier Hernández Creus
I was thinking today... is Xavi the winningest player of all time?
He might probably be, right?
He might probably be, right?
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Him or one of the guys from the old Madrid team who won those European cups?
Ryan Giggs is the only recent player who I can think of who compares but im 99% sure Xavi surpassed him a while ago.
Ryan Giggs is the only recent player who I can think of who compares but im 99% sure Xavi surpassed him a while ago.
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Gento has 12 Ligas, 6 CLs and 1 Euro Cup. Xavi has an additional Euro Cup and the World Cup over him though which I'd say is worth more than the 4 additional La Ligas and 2 CLs that Gento has over Xavi.
Basically, if I had to give "value points" I'd say something like this:
1 WC = 100 points
1 EC = 80 points
1 CL = 50 points
1 league title in a major league = 10 points
1 domestic Cup (Copa del Rey, FA Cup, Pokal ...) = 2 points
Various Supercups = 1 point
If you get what I mean.
Basically, if I had to give "value points" I'd say something like this:
1 WC = 100 points
1 EC = 80 points
1 CL = 50 points
1 league title in a major league = 10 points
1 domestic Cup (Copa del Rey, FA Cup, Pokal ...) = 2 points
Various Supercups = 1 point
If you get what I mean.
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Re: El Maestro: Xavier Hernández Creus
What about Pelé?
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There was no proper domestic league during Pelé's time. The Campeonato as it is known today was founded in the 70s. Pelé mostly played in regional competitions like the Paulista. I'm hardly an expert but a regional league where only teams from Sao Paolo take part (imagine a Catalan league) and that too in the 50s and 60s must have been a really amateurish competition (it still is a joke today). The Libertadores which would be the equivalent of the CL he's only won 2 times. He obviously got 3 WCs though.
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Re: El Maestro: Xavier Hernández Creus
free_cat wrote:I was thinking today... is Xavi the winningest player of all time?
He might probably be, right?
Yes he probably is but let's not forget that Iniesta is only one trophy behind.
Even in football history I couldn't think of a player who has won at least one world cup, at least two continental (NT) cups and at least four European (Club) cups except for XAVI and INIESTA. If anyone can think of one single name I am very keen to know it.
When I sit back and think about how much these two heroes of mine have won I feel both immense pleasure and a great sense of awe.
Re: El Maestro: Xavier Hernández Creus
Xavi and Pirlo are both leaving the world of top level football in the same summer
I just read a wonderful article on Pirlo and his exit.
Has anyone seen any truly outstanding article on Xavi and his exit?
In this article on Pirlo I read this comment which I found worth highlighting.
"Perhaps no one since Michel Platini has been so accurate and effective when it comes to the lofted chipped ball over the top of the defence."
What are your thoughts? Was Xavi equally good at this? Better? Any other names you can think of?
I just read a wonderful article on Pirlo and his exit.
Has anyone seen any truly outstanding article on Xavi and his exit?
In this article on Pirlo I read this comment which I found worth highlighting.
"Perhaps no one since Michel Platini has been so accurate and effective when it comes to the lofted chipped ball over the top of the defence."
What are your thoughts? Was Xavi equally good at this? Better? Any other names you can think of?
Re: El Maestro: Xavier Hernández Creus
Fabregas is probably the best with the chip pass around the edge of the box. It's the only thing he's good at though.
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/mar/14/xavi-barcelona-champions-league-spain
http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2015/5/20/8629965/fc-barcelona-xavi-final-game
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2249771.html
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/xavi-and-the-end
These are some.
http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2015/5/20/8629965/fc-barcelona-xavi-final-game
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2249771.html
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/xavi-and-the-end
These are some.
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Winter is Coming wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/mar/14/xavi-barcelona-champions-league-spain
http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2015/5/20/8629965/fc-barcelona-xavi-final-game
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2249771.html
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/xavi-and-the-end
These are some.
Thanks.
An article by Graham Hunter is always nice, even though what he says in this one I have read before.
I really liked these lines from the Guardian article.
"in an age when all elite-level football is unavoidably Xavi-tinged, where every variation is on some level a Xavi-variation"
This is probably one of the best ways to sum up the achievements of the maestro in one line.
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Over long distance, Pirlo is the man for the ball over the top. From shorter distance, 40m and in, I would go with Cesc.
Xavi can do both, but his choice of pass is very different.
In terms of final passes, what sets Xavi apart is he can and has done all kinds of passes, nobody has shown his variety.
1 touch passes, balls over the top from long or short, scoop passes, reverse passes and more.
Xavi can do both, but his choice of pass is very different.
In terms of final passes, what sets Xavi apart is he can and has done all kinds of passes, nobody has shown his variety.
1 touch passes, balls over the top from long or short, scoop passes, reverse passes and more.
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The Franchise wrote:Over long distance, Pirlo is the man for the ball over the top. From shorter distance, 40m and in, I would go with Cesc.
Xavi can do both, but his choice of pass is very different.
In terms of final passes, what sets Xavi apart is he can and has done all kinds of passes, nobody has shown his variety.
1 touch passes, balls over the top from long or short, scoop passes, reverse passes and more.
Great comments dani. I also think nobody has shown Xavi's variety.
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How do they choose those players? Pretty sure Cambiasso has over 20 as well
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Still find it wild Xavi has won more Champions League titles than Copa del Reys
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BarrileteCosmico wrote:How do they choose those players? Pretty sure Cambiasso has over 20 as well
You know I always rated Cambiasso very highly, but there is a big gap between him and the other players there.
I think that table is just among all time great players.
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Ah okay, I thought it was supposed to be a list of most itle winning players
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messixaviesta wrote:Xavi and Pirlo are both leaving the world of top level football in the same summer
I just read a wonderful article on Pirlo and his exit.
Has anyone seen any truly outstanding article on Xavi and his exit?
In this article on Pirlo I read this comment which I found worth highlighting.
"Perhaps no one since Michel Platini has been so accurate and effective when it comes to the lofted chipped ball over the top of the defence."
What are your thoughts? Was Xavi equally good at this? Better? Any other names you can think of?
As dani wonderfully explained,Xavi's choice of pass is different.Pirlo and Fabregas pull the trigger on every 50-50 opportunity.Xavi wont.
If Xavi was as trigger happy as Pirlo or Fabregas,I am sure he would have just as many successful attempts if not more.
It's the ability to execute all types of passes to a high degree of excellence that set Xavi apart.Even the elite passers struggle under pressure.Xavi maintains his pin point accuracy even under extreme pressure.As I mentioned previously,I rate Laudrup as a more genius passer.But overall,Xavi is the man.
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The Franchise wrote:BarrileteCosmico wrote:How do they choose those players? Pretty sure Cambiasso has over 20 as well
You know I always rated Cambiasso very highly, but there is a big gap between him and the other players there.
I think that table is just among all time great players.
Agree completely. I also rate Cambiasso very highly. As you said it's basically our original golden trinity visavis the greatest legends of the game.
Re: El Maestro: Xavier Hernández Creus
An interview with the maestro. I read every word of it religiously and hope I can remember all of it.
http://www.totalbarca.com/2016/07/interview-maestro-speaks-barca-coaching/?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
Reading the maestro's thoughts is a close second to watching him on the pitch. Do not miss this one.
http://www.totalbarca.com/2016/07/interview-maestro-speaks-barca-coaching/?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
Reading the maestro's thoughts is a close second to watching him on the pitch. Do not miss this one.
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Thanks for the share jd. Wonderful read. I especially liked the part where he mentioned Alves.
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alexjanosik wrote:Thanks for the share jd. Wonderful read. I especially liked the part where he mentioned Alves.
Most welcome. I also really liked that part. What struck me most was how much affection he retains for his former team mates and how he encourages and stands by every one of them.
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Iniesta's comments on Xavi when the maestro was leaving us :-
"I am out of compliments. I will not find anyone at the stature of what he represents as a person and a player.
"The figures, the years, the feelings, his way of doing things are beyond any words. He is a unique player, unrepeatable and has been fundamental at the club and with the national team.
"It is a true pleasure and privilege to have had my entire career at his side."
"I am out of compliments. I will not find anyone at the stature of what he represents as a person and a player.
"The figures, the years, the feelings, his way of doing things are beyond any words. He is a unique player, unrepeatable and has been fundamental at the club and with the national team.
"It is a true pleasure and privilege to have had my entire career at his side."
Re: El Maestro: Xavier Hernández Creus
Xavi has extended his time as a player with Al Sadd for two more years. He is happy to continue being part of what he considers a family atmosphere and the club are delighted that the maestro is staying with them.
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BUMP
Looks like he will take over during the winter break
Looks like he will take over during the winter break
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