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Post by Doc on Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:14 pm

A man that symbolizes the words "F***ing inconsistent" better than most players but still manages to have a special place in most Madridistas. Guti really was a left footed genius but his brain really was in his foot for most of his career in the Spanish capital. But I know this was asked before but I think an update needs to be made: Is Guti really a Real Madrid legend?

Now, we on this forum are not the sole opinion of the Madridista. Contrary to popular, we are all think differently and have different views on most things concerning the club and I could safely say, I never considered Guti anyway close to legendary status as I do with the likes of Raul, Hierro, Casillas, Redondo, Roberto Carlos, Butragueno, etc (you guys know the names already, if not, lord help you). He was extremely inconsistent, damn well lazy and a primadonna beyond words. His moments of sheer genius never really out weighed the fact that he did not live up to the real potential God blessed him with but once again, that's my opinion, so what is yours dear Madridistas of all shapes and sizes?

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:20 pm

I think it comes down to the definition we give to "legend" status.

If we are talking about one of the greatest player, one of the most iconic, or anything of the sort, then he sure hell is not. Not a club "Great". It's often the connotation we give to the title, and i assume that's what you mean.

However, you cant ignore that he dedicated so many years to the club, and it goes for those many history do not recall, that dedicated so much for the club without being "great". In that sense, he is a club legend, unless of course there is another designation for that kind of player.


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Post by hrealmadrid on Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:30 pm

I think to those who watched him work his magic, he will be a legend. It's sad that he was so inconsistent.

Still to this day however, Guti at his peak (although it doesn't come out often) is astounding
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Post by Pedram on Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:32 pm

Depends what you call legend. we should understand that he came through our Castilla, as one of the most talented players we've ever produced. he has accepted the bench rule for many years to just stay at the club. so it shows he really loves Real Madrid.
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Post by guest7 on Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:43 pm

too inconsistent imo, great player but just didnt want to help the club at any way, was way too lazy

a club great only, not a legend
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Post by S32TABLANCA on Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:45 pm

Not a legend. He was brilliant at times, but generally inconsistent, lazy, and created problems in the dressing room. I was happy that he was kicked out by Mou.

But despite all that, he should be remembered as one of the better products of our cantera and if you guys want to call him a 'great', I guess thats an ok description.
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Post by vanDEEZ on Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:55 pm

not a legend, but must be some where in the ball park.

one of few to come from madrid in recent years to actually get much playing time.

phenomenal player. terribly inconsistent. nothing new here.
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Post by The Madrid One on Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:30 pm

by no means is he alegend.

no wayy, not even a great player.
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Post by EarlyPrototype on Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:33 pm

Wrong time for this thread. If only you had done it a few days ago a lot of opinions will change based on what he said.

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Post by Pedram on Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:39 pm

@EarlyPrototype wrote:Wrong time for this thread. If only you had done it a few days ago a lot of opinions will change based on what he said.


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Post by LeSwagg James on Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:23 pm

@The Madrid One wrote:by no means is he alegend.

no wayy, not even a great player.

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Post by Doc on Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:54 am

His opinion is but his opinion. I cannot fault him for expressing something that he believes in. His opinion doesn't, however, reflect his football ability when he don the glorious white of Real Madrid. I don't think it really should matter what he said during the course of the last 2 weeks....

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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:06 am

Up against the many legends of the club he simply doesn't stack up I'm afraid

If he had played out the same career at Chelsea or Man City then yes I would say he would be one, but Real Madrid has a long hard line to cross into our clubs Legendary status

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Post by ijomer on Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:18 am

Guti seriously had killer passes, im not old enuf to remember his early career, but since 2004 on, ive seen him on occasions give magical passes!!! damn

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Post by Maje10 on Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:23 am

I chose Depends.

Although I don't consider him a legend, he was to me, personally, a memorable player. Not just because of his antics, but mostly because of his magical, precision passes when he would actually be on 'his day'. Too inconsistent for legendary status IMO, but he had so many great moments, like the performances against Sevilla, that I will probably always remember.

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Post by SuperMAG on Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:04 am

he is the legend of creativity, nothing comes close to it, a brillent player to watch and for me one of my favourites, if a player can make this impact on a fan, he is definitly a legend. because the fans decide who the legends are.

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Post by Zealous on Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:14 am

He's a cult hero and someone the club's fans will remember fondly overall. He gave us some truly spectacular moments and played his part in some of our best seasons as a club.

Is he a legend though? I wouldn't think so, simply too inconsistent I'm a afraid.

He had loads of issues but he loves this club. He'd be an Ultra if he weren't a player.

Club legend however? No, but he'll be a player we would (and should TBH) remember well.

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Post by guest7 on Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:26 am

I would like to say that Guti is still to date the best passer I've ever seen (my opinion)

Shame he was so inconsistent, and his antics weren't so favorable.

But I don't think someone who acts like a kid outside the football pitch can be called a legend. A memorable great IMO
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Post by Zealous on Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:42 am

@The Madrid One wrote:by no means is he alegend.

no wayy, not even a great player.

Guti had a lot of things wrong with him. Not being a great player was not one of them.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:49 am

I think Zealous found the appropriate term, he was a cult hero

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Post by Zealous on Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:56 am

If Guti had Raul's temperament and work ethic he could have easily been one of our best ever.

He got by on talent alone, even the so called "Galaticos" couldn't keep up with some of the things he was doing on the field of play.

Lazy Mother Fudger though Razz

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Post by futbol_bill on Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:51 pm

Doc, I think you pretty well summed it up. He will be remembered as a long time contributor and a decent player with some moments of greatness, but not as a Madrista great nor legend.

@setablanca, he left before Mou arrived.

Note, even if his play was more consistent, it is difficult for a Marion to be considered a legend in Spain.
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Post by S32TABLANCA on Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:18 pm

@Zealous wrote:If Guti had Raul's temperament and work ethic he could have easily been one of our best ever.

He got by on talent alone, even the so called "Galaticos" couldn't keep up with some of the things he was doing on the field of play.

Lazy Mother Fudger though Razz

THIS. Ive seen this with so many people in different aspects to life, its quite sad if you think about it.

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@setablanca, he left before Mou arrived.

No he didn't. Guti left in late July, Mourinho joined after the Champions League final. And he had already been talking to Madrid and giving them his plans before he officially signed up, too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8708315.stm

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2010/07/25/2041116/official-spanish-midfielder-guti-leaves-real-madrid
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Post by futbol_bill on Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:26 pm

Saetablanca[quote="futbol_bill wrote:
@setablanca, he left before Mou arrived.

No he didn't. Guti left in late July, Mourinho joined after the Champions League final. And he had already been talking to Madrid and giving them his plans before he officially signed up, too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8708315.stm

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2010/07/25/2041116/official-spanish-midfielder-guti-leaves-real-madrid[/quote]

Guti left before Mou arrived in Madrid without ever taking to Mou. Raul left as well but Mou had a conversation with him first to try to keep him. If you are saying Mou didn't want him, that much is correct, but Guti had said he was leaving before any real plans came from Mou. Keep in mind that although Guti had some good moments and playing time under Pelli, he was outcasted by Pelli for good part of year. Guti and Raul had had it made pretty clear that they weren't starters anymore and that is the main reason why both left.
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Post by S32TABLANCA on Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:59 pm

@futbol_bill wrote:
Saetablanca[quote="futbol_bill wrote:
@setablanca, he left before Mou arrived.

No he didn't. Guti left in late July, Mourinho joined after the Champions League final. And he had already been talking to Madrid and giving them his plans before he officially signed up, too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8708315.stm

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2010/07/25/2041116/official-spanish-midfielder-guti-leaves-real-madrid

Guti left before Mou arrived in Madrid without ever taking to Mou. Raul left as well but Mou had a conversation with him first to try to keep him. If you are saying Mou didn't want him, that much is correct, but Guti had said he was leaving before any real plans came from Mou. Keep in mind that although Guti had some good moments and playing time under Pelli, he was outcasted by Pelli for good part of year. Guti and Raul had had it made pretty clear that they weren't starters anymore and that is the main reason why both left.

I dont know if Guti and Mou ever had a proper conversation, in fact I think you are right in saying that they did not. But as I clearly demonstrated, Guti clearly left after Mourinho became the coach of Real Madrid. If you refer to when the decision was made, none of us know exactly for sure, but obviously it was much earlier than when the announcement way made.

Some of Mourinho's plans for us were clear from the start, even before he officially signed up, and Guti leaving under him was pretty much assured.

EDIT: Raul was a completely different case. Mou wanted him to stay as you said, it was quite the opposite with Guti. If Raul had stayed, he would have been very useful as we wouldnt have needed to get a 3rd striker. But there were rumours of dressing room reshuffles too.


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