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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:44 pm

babun1024 wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:It's important because everyone has a pull a little, share the load of work to make it even and balanced. It's interesting, it's one of the reason Di maria is so valuable to mou, because he makes up for the pressing the other guys arent doing at the moment. Overtime, it wont be needed if everyone is contributing the same.

I want everyone to take part, including Ozil, i am not a big fan of having specialists in my team.
Says someone who wants us to buy M'Vila eco smile I hate specialists as well eco smile

hey, cant blame me for weighting the + and - Very Happy. we are linked to him in a more serious way than caughoffside, so it's worth talking about it.

Thing is, complete all around mifielders are something of a rarity, specially if they can also play DM. More often than not, they are fashioned by managers themselves.

discussion can give hindsight about the player, and whether or ot he has potential to improve the offensive contribution. M'vila has terrific vision and passing range going for him, and he is smart.
Blablabla, I don't want a DM who can't play B2B or with limited passing... Very Happy

So why do you like Khedira then? He's a limited DM and a limited B2B. Basically nothing special at anything...
That's my point. If you want to replace him then give me someone better eco smile I said it to nick and others numerous of times Very Happy

who is better Babun?

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Post by Babun on Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:45 pm

izzy26 wrote:Sorry for going OT:

Is Mtfootball a double agent? A Barca troll? Suspect
No, he's got his own idea of how we should play and sticks to it 100% Very Happy each group and society needs one of mtfootballs eco smile
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:It's important because everyone has a pull a little, share the load of work to make it even and balanced. It's interesting, it's one of the reason Di maria is so valuable to mou, because he makes up for the pressing the other guys arent doing at the moment. Overtime, it wont be needed if everyone is contributing the same.

I want everyone to take part, including Ozil, i am not a big fan of having specialists in my team.
Says someone who wants us to buy M'Vila eco smile I hate specialists as well eco smile

hey, cant blame me for weighting the + and - Very Happy. we are linked to him in a more serious way than caughoffside, so it's worth talking about it.

Thing is, complete all around mifielders are something of a rarity, specially if they can also play DM. More often than not, they are fashioned by managers themselves.

discussion can give hindsight about the player, and whether or ot he has potential to improve the offensive contribution. M'vila has terrific vision and passing range going for him, and he is smart.
Blablabla, I don't want a DM who can't play B2B or with limited passing... Very Happy

So why do you like Khedira then? He's a limited DM and a limited B2B. Basically nothing special at anything...
That's my point. If you want to replace him then give me someone better eco smile I said it to nick and others numerous of times Very Happy

who is better Babun?
I want someone like Vidal if you want me to be precise Very Happy

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Post by izzy on Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:47 pm

babun1024 wrote:
izzy26 wrote:Sorry for going OT:

Is Mtfootball a double agent? A Barca troll? Suspect
No, he's got his own idea of how we should play and sticks to it 100% Very Happy each group and society needs one of mtfootballs eco smile

Apparently, according to daneq he is. WTH?
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Post by Babun on Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:48 pm

@Doc wrote:
babun1024 wrote:He run the midfield for Germany Very Happy If the defence wasn't shambolic in a 3-4-3 system Germany would've won 0-3. He caused a goal and was generally sound eco smile
I don't get the thread either, he is not out of form anymore Very Happy He just plays deeper for Germany and RM this season eco smile

He does play deeper, that is for sure. Defense shambolic? I remember seeing Babstuber and Hummels as CB's, can't remember the full backs. Think one was Aggo (or something). Never thought Babstuber was any good and Hummels is still pretty good so what was the cause of the shitty showing?
Low played Träsch who plays and is pronounced as trash on the right eco smile BAD-stuber played really bad and left Hummels exposed on every counter. The overall system was 3-4-3 which Low didn't even practice in training eco smile he just wanted the boys to try it out eco smile
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izzy26 wrote:Sorry for going OT:

Is Mtfootball a double agent? A Barca troll? Suspect
No, he's got his own idea of how we should play and sticks to it 100% Very Happy each group and society needs one of mtfootballs eco smile

Apparently, according to daneq he is. WTH?
Who is daneq? MT>>> Daneq Very Happy MT, Adit, me and some others are 'tacticans' from the Real Madrid camp. MT wants us to play more possession oriented Very Happy

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:03 pm

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I want someone like Vidal if you want me to be precise Very Happy

yeah but who?

I was expecting to read Kroos Very Happy


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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:03 pm

Seriously tho, Doc's chick in his profile has an ass that was born to sit on my face.

#justsayin

Ozil is fine lol.
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Post by Babun on Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:08 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:Seriously tho, Doc's chick in his profile has an ass that was born to sit on my face.

#justsayin

Ozil is fine lol.
Do you have a youtube account? If yeah, you'll get to see something very interesting... eco smile

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:08 pm

There's no such thing as a midfielder who excels at everything. Xabi, Piggy and Pirlo are about as close as it gets and they each have their own weaknesses. So you want a mid who can develop into perhaps one of the greats (young) and who already excels at several aspects (defensive portion for example) WHILE showing the ability to add everything else. There are only two of those available right now. One is Javi Martinez and the other is M'Vila. Vidal is not for sale.

And remember, M'Vila just turned 21. The other two are 23 and 24 respectively and entering into their primes while M'Vila is just starting to scratch the surface of his potential.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:10 pm

babun1024 wrote:
Immaculate_Mole wrote:Seriously tho, Doc's chick in his profile has an ass that was born to sit on my face.

#justsayin

Ozil is fine lol.
Do you have a youtube account? If yeah, you'll get to see something very interesting... eco smile

Does this have anything to do with your gif thing lol?
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Post by Babun on Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:12 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Immaculate_Mole wrote:Seriously tho, Doc's chick in his profile has an ass that was born to sit on my face.

#justsayin

Ozil is fine lol.
Do you have a youtube account? If yeah, you'll get to see something very interesting... eco smile

Does this have anything to do with your gif thing lol?
How did you know? eco smile
@sportsczy wrote:There's no such thing as a midfielder who excels at everything. Xabi, Piggy and Pirlo are about as close as it gets and they each have their own weaknesses. So you want a mid who can develop into perhaps one of the greats (young) and who already excels at several aspects (defensive portion for example) WHILE showing the ability to add everything else. There are only two of those available right now. One is Javi Martinez and the other is M'Vila. Vidal is not for sale.

And remember, M'Vila just turned 21. The other two are 23 and 24 respectively and entering into their primes while M'Vila is just starting to scratch the surface of his potential.
I want a defensive CM who can pass Very Happy M'Vila, you can't classify him as passer I watched his outing for France, he's certainly a DM Very Happy
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I want someone like Vidal if you want me to be precise Very Happy

yeah but who?

I was expecting to read Kroos Very Happy
Kroos is CM->CAM and a very offensive one Very Happy

Now, without joking or soft trolling (Montolivo), if it were up to me, I'd buy Hummels and transform him into an anchorman CM/DM eco smile

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:22 pm

babun1024 wrote:
How did you know? eco smile

Reading thread's and not responding unless theres a possible of trolling is how i roll eco smile

In other words i saw your thread and walked away eco smile
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Post by Babun on Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:24 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
How did you know? eco smile

Reading thread's and not responding unless theres a possible of trolling is how i roll eco smile

In other words i saw your thread and walked away eco smile
I won't let you see it now! eco smile
By the way, Lex was in awe, he calls me Babs now eco smile
P.S. how trollable am I from the scale 1-10 (->) ?eco smile

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:15 pm

You watched him with ALOU DIARRA as his midfield partner ffs. That's like Lass being your midfield partner, except that Lass is better than Diarra right now. Diarra is a pure DM... cannot do anything else. The kid had nowhere to go with the ball when he had it.

I know you understand the game better than this babun. First, you come up with Montolivo and now this. Pick up your game dude.

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Post by Babun on Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:19 pm

@sportsczy wrote:You watched him with ALOU DIARRA as his midfield partner ffs. That's like Lass being your midfield partner, except that Lass is better than Diarra right now. Diarra is a pure DM... cannot do anything else. The kid had nowhere to go with the ball when he had it.

I know you understand the game better than this babun. First, you come up with Montolivo and now this. Pick up your game dude.
I said my true option. I'd transform Hummels into anchorman Very Happy The others don't satisfy me fully. The Italian players were semi joke directed at Giovanni eco smile
I'm very sceptical of midfielder from EPL and Serie A in general,you could guess why eco smile

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:20 pm

Italian mids are shit atm. EPL mids... the best are Spanish lol. The best creative mids come from Spain. The best defensive mids come from France. The best combo mids come from Germany. Just how it is right now.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:25 pm

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Kroos is CM->CAM and a very offensive one Very Happy

Now, without joking or soft trolling (Montolivo), if it were up to me, I'd buy Hummels and transform him into an anchorman CM/DM eco smile

what makes you think that Hummels will be good in attack? if so, we might as well buy M'vila, they have similar vision and passing skills, but one is a natural mid already

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Post by Babun on Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:33 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Kroos is CM->CAM and a very offensive one Very Happy

Now, without joking or soft trolling (Montolivo), if it were up to me, I'd buy Hummels and transform him into an anchorman CM/DM eco smile

what makes you think that Hummels will be good in attack? if so, we might as well buy M'vila, they have similar vision and passing skills, but one is a natural mid already
M'Villa similar to Hummels? eco smile Jog on... Very Happy
Hummels can win the ball, dribble, PASS and keep it under pressure in all three dimensions Very Happy His positioning sense is exceptional. I don't get why Low doesn't play him in DM position Very Happy he practivally plays midfield for BVB since Sahin's departure, I don't see any problems Very Happy
The red part is what we need and what M'Vila can't compare with him. Don't get me wrong, Sahin+M'Vila would be a dream team but not with Alonso and guess who'll start... Very Happy

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Post by Ganso on Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:34 pm

hummels is a top 3 CB atm imo,it would be a waste to use him elsewhere
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:38 pm

babun1024 wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
babun1024 wrote:
Kroos is CM->CAM and a very offensive one Very Happy

Now, without joking or soft trolling (Montolivo), if it were up to me, I'd buy Hummels and transform him into an anchorman CM/DM eco smile

what makes you think that Hummels will be good in attack? if so, we might as well buy M'vila, they have similar vision and passing skills, but one is a natural mid already
M'Villa similar to Hummels? eco smile Jog on... Very Happy
Hummels can win the ball, dribble, PASS and keep it under pressure in all three dimensions Very Happy His positioning sense is exceptional. I don't get why Low doesn't play him in DM position Very Happy he practivally plays midfield for BVB since Sahin's departure, I don't see any problems Very Happy
The red part is what we need and what M'Vila can't compare with him. Don't get me wrong, Sahin+M'Vila would be a dream team but not with Alonso and guess who'll start... Very Happy

dude Hummels has the same skillset as M'vila. Touch? we can hardly talk about it since Hummels play in defense, and mvila in the middle. And im not talking about him running upfield with the ball, but retaining the ball in a maze of players.

Mvila is a fantastic passer as well, just as much as Hummels, he can split open teams with his passing, and shows it off consistently with Rennes.

I think you have the wrong idea about Mvila, he isnt your bulldozer type midfielder with a brain, he is much more refined than that.

Besides, i thought you wanted complete midfielders that can attack and defend?


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Post by Doc on Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:06 pm

I must say, Babs' ability to hold multiple conversations is quite nice really.

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Post by Adit on Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:28 am

lol at Hummels,this thread is moving into usual Frenchies vs Germs lol Very Happy


Mvilla is hardly a step up from khedira offensively..sure he can pass cleanly but so can khedira.I wouldnt bring Mvilla just for a defensive improvement when xabi is already playing deep.

Vidal or Javi Martinez

and my pick will be javi.

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:04 pm

@Adit wrote:lol at Hummels,this thread is moving into usual Frenchies vs Germs lol Very Happy


Mvilla is hardly a step up from khedira offensively..sure he can pass cleanly but so can khedira.I wouldnt bring Mvilla just for a defensive improvement when xabi is already playing deep.

Vidal or Javi Martinez

and my pick will be javi.

But Xabi has so much offense in him (see Liverpool days) and Sahin would be completely wasted if he can't jump into the attack when the opportunity is there.

Best attacking players should be able to attack. No point in trying to get people to do things they don't excel in (Xabi is not a great defender; does it due to necessity) and take away from their strengths imo.

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Post by kattanib on Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:43 pm

Ozil is a rare quality player. One of the few players that almost no one doubt his talent. I hope he continues developing and improving himself in every aspect. Messi improved his freekicks in last three years, I think Ozil can improve his freekicks as well, he is good at it not to forget. I have not seen such a player with a Zidane classy style of play such as Ozil. I hope he becomes the next big thing for the sake of the game, after all, we are football fans.

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Post by Babun on Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:46 pm

@kattanib wrote:Ozil is a rare quality player. One of the few players that almost no one doubt his talent. I hope he continues developing and improving himself in every aspect. Messi improved his freekicks in last three years, I think Ozil can improve his freekicks as well, he is good at it not to forget. I have not seen such a player with a Zidane classy style of play such as Ozil. I hope he becomes the next big thing for the sake of the game, after all, we are football fans.
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On topic, Mou is trying to make Ozil more involved in buildup than just playing the final ball like last season. We dominate other teams more but he is less at the end of the direct assists. Still, we lead by 3 points so he does something right eco smile

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Post by Babun on Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:20 pm

@Adit wrote:lol at Hummels,this thread is moving into usual Frenchies vs Germs lol Very Happy


Mvilla is hardly a step up from khedira offensively..sure he can pass cleanly but so can khedira.I wouldnt bring Mvilla just for a defensive improvement when xabi is already playing deep.

Vidal or Javi Martinez

and my pick will be javi.
I'm cool with Javi if we could get our hands on him eco smile Then I wouldn't have to think in round about ways to get what we need eco smile
One thing I know, if we get someone for the defensive role in 4-2-3-1 I want him to be better than Khedira eco smile

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:22 pm

Javi Martinez... you guys really think the Basques are going to give Real Madrid one of their bright young stars. He can go anywhere but Real Madrid if he plans on ever going home and surviving lol.


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