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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:22 pm

Javi Martinez... you guys really think the Basques are going to give Real Madrid one of their bright young stars. He can go anywhere but Real Madrid if he plans on ever going home and surviving lol.


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Post by estrella bernabeu on Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:25 pm

I don't think improving in freekicks will be a plus for us coz CR dominate all pitch FK positions.

Otherwise, giving the green light to Khedira to go forward and participate in building attacks will be a nice chance for Ozil to play more as a 10 and to not be burnt to the ground. We need a solid, tactically and physically, midfielder wich can allow player to go forward and press within the 20m of the opponent.
IMO, Sahin will be the key to Ozil sparks.

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Post by SuperMAG on Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:39 pm

WTH is the difference between javi and khedera, for GOD sake, u people.

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:46 pm

@SuperMAG wrote:WTH is the difference between javi and khedera, for GOD sake, u people.

No difference. In fact, Khedira is better lol.

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Post by Adit on Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:54 pm

Come on sportzy your theory is based on Xabi moving higher up the pitch which he has never played with us in 2 years,mou has never tried xabi as a B2B and khedira as a lone DM speaks for itself.Xabi has never been a true B2B even in his Liverpool days to begin with.He is slow,has poor technique in tight spaces and has bad recovery pace ,its not a coincidence he is playing DLP with us.

Also Martinez is much much better player than khedira

Passing javi is miles superior as he is termed as next xabi for a reason,He does play CB for the basques so his reading of the game,defensive techique and aerial abilities are really good.And he has more creativity in his toe nail than khedira has in his entire body..Also much better ball player and possession keeper than khedira ever will be.

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Post by estrella bernabeu on Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:56 pm

@Adit wrote:Come on sportzy your theory is based on Xabi moving higher up the pitch which he has never played with us in 2 years,mou has never tried xabi as a B2B and khedira as a lone DM speaks for itself.Xabi has never been a true B2B even in his Liverpool days to begin with.He is slow,has poor technique in tight spaces and has bad recovery pace ,its not a coincidence he is playing DLP with us.

Also Martinez is much much better player than khedira

Passing javi is miles superior as he is termed as next xabi for a reason,He does play CB for the basques so his reading of the game,defensive techique and aerial abilities are really good.And he has more creativity in his toe nail than khedira has in his entire body..Also much better ball player and possession keeper than khedira ever will be.

Javi > Redondo

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Post by Adit on Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:58 pm

Javi is that kind of player who we can call very poor mans redondo along with busquets and Vidal.. Smile

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Post by estrella bernabeu on Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:06 pm

and perhaps (for me) Borja Valero !!
Javi won't be released by Bilbao, same case with Muniain.

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:06 pm

@Adit wrote:Come on sportzy your theory is based on Xabi moving higher up the pitch which he has never played with us in 2 years,mou has never tried xabi as a B2B and khedira as a lone DM speaks for itself.Xabi has never been a true B2B even in his Liverpool days to begin with.He is slow,has poor technique in tight spaces and has bad recovery pace ,its not a coincidence he is playing DLP with us.

Also Martinez is much much better player than khedira

Passing javi is miles superior as he is termed as next xabi for a reason,He does play CB for the basques so his reading of the game,defensive techique and aerial abilities are really good.And he has more creativity in his toe nail than khedira has in his entire body..Also much better ball player and possession keeper than khedira ever will be.

No.... i'm not saying Xabi or anyone needs to go full b2b because it wouldn't be necessary with M'Vila. If they don't have to play as deep (which they wouldn't with M'Vila), they would be in a much more aggressive position to feed the attack and jump in when the opportunity presents itelf. Whenever Xabi gets the chance to move past midfield with the ball at his feet, he's a huge threat to find an open player with a through pass. Right now, he only gets there when we dominate possession because he has deep defensive responsibilities. Sahin is an extremely great passer too. Why waste them deep when you don't have to. The whole idea is not to make the creative mids cover more real estate but less or same real estate and in a more dangerous area.

As far as Javi Martinez: Same player as Khedira... only a year younger and not as good.

Why bring someone in who a) adds no extra dimensions, b) is not as good as the current starter and c) is getting close to his prime; so the upside is not much higher than today?

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Post by Adit on Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:16 pm

Mvilla is only defensively better than khedira from what i have seen.

javi and vidal whome are much better all rounders are rarely produced in football.

Also what if teams bracket xabi and forced Mvilla to create??

Xabi-javi,Xabi-vidal is a two way creative double pivot.

Also one trick ponies will get benched or sold when coach changes or system changes in future..

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:18 pm

I think Xabi will have a difficult playing in higher position anyway, even if you want him to be more aggressive, he wont necessarily be better.

he excels at distributing the ball from deep, the higher he moves, the less effective he gets because his awereness in the last 30m isnt that great, and so is his ability to play the final ball.

His lethargy and lack of technique would cost him dearly as well, as he can hardly get passed anyone. The M'vila combination with Sahin would be perfect, but it's true that to play with Xabi, you need to bring a much higher offensive contribution.

As much as we think Khedira does nothing in attack, he still makes runs in the box to get available for crosses, and tries his best to go forward and back.

Javi is about as good as Khedira, but their skillset is nothing alike. Khedira is a tactical beast that keep things very simple, makes no fuss, and tries to perform within the limits of his game. I think both arent that different in terms of "level" atm, but Javi cant break into Spain XI because of the quality available to them.

@Adit, let Vidal go lol, I dont think Juventus would sell him.

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Post by Adit on Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:22 pm

That i agree,Mvilla-Sahin is a legit partnership since sahin is comfortable playing upfront but with xabi...



ps-Vidal will come once we call him Wink

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Post by Babun on Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:01 pm

@Adit wrote:That i agree,Mvilla-Sahin is a legit partnership since sahin is comfortable playing upfront but with xabi...



ps-Vidal will come once we call him Wink
Why are we discussing defensive CM in a Ozil related thread? Very Happy

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Post by Doc on Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:04 pm

Because we are easily distracted Babs...

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Post by Zealous on Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:41 pm

Sorry what was that? I got distracted by various images of sexually alluring women.


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