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Post by Mr Nick09 on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:25 pm

@buddytaller wrote:Alonso must be tired after travelling all over the world and playing an enormous amount of minutes for club and country.

Sahin looked good on his debut and has had a week to train, he may not be 100% at the moment but neither is Alonso, I have a feeling he might break down or injure himself if he plays another 90 minutes. I wouldn't want to risk him, with the clasico around the corner.

You need to understand that even if Xabi is tired, he is in match fitness, and Sahin is not at the same point. It's a big game, no room to mess around.

No way Sahin starts, he needs to get himself in the rhythm of how we play first.

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Post by Adit on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:26 pm

Well i too want ozil to play in the middle but that frak kaka is way useless on wings and we have no other option than kaka now....hence ozil on wings.Kaka is hindering Ozils performances though .

Higgy scored a hatrick against them last year,also since match is at mestella they will try to play a high line which can be utilized by higgy's awsome runs..

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Post by estrella bernabeu on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:26 pm

Higgy won't start, he's back from a long trip, despite he was on a private flight (unlike Messi who suffered to join Spain)


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Post by Turok_TTZ on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:26 pm

@SuperMAG wrote:yea play ozil on when he finally rejuiced his performance and positional play with germany, let all that go to waste.

The minute ozil started playing as RM with kaka, that was the start of his downfall.

Ozil should never be played other then that Am position and should be closer to the box most of the time and not in CM area.

well tbf since the first int break in the beginning of the season, ozil hasnt been the same for Real Madrid since. atm prefer kaka to play since he didnt go to brazil and is the more in form am for Madrid.

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:27 pm

Ozil is more adaptable than that... or at least he needs to be. All our guys play multiple positions. It's a requirement with Mou.

I actually expect Kaka to go left, CR7 right or CF and Benz CF or right. Permutations will happen in the game anyhow.

Ozil will be the AM BUT he has guys in front of him who like the ball early. So his impact won't be as dramatic as when he plays with Germany.

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Post by Adit on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:28 pm

@Turok_TTZ wrote:

well tbf since the first int break in the beginning of the season, ozil hasnt been the same for Real Madrid since. atm prefer kaka to play since he didnt go to brazil and is the more in form am for Madrid.
bcz the frak kaka is playing one the middle and ozil on wings Mad

When was the last time kaka started on wings and gave a good performance ? probabily last season match in mestella .. Laughing

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:32 pm

I personally would put Higuain as the CF and Benz on the right... let Ozil play his usual AM role. But that's not going to happen so why fool yourself lol.

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Post by Valkyrja on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:33 pm

I would like Mou to play this 4-2-3-1 :

-----------Casillas---------
-Lass-Ramos-Pepe-Marcelo-
--------Khedira-Xabi-------
-Cristiano-Ozil-Coentrao/Higuain
------------Benzema-------

Ramos is a CB, he is not RB.If Cristiano isn't fit, Kaka will play there, and Higuain will play alongside Benzema in a 4-2-2-2.

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Post by Zealous on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:49 pm

No way Xabi doesn't start LOL

I expect this line up:

--------------------duh------------------
Arbeloa/Albiol--Ramos--Pepe------Marcelo---
----------Khedira-------Alonso--------------
-Kaka/-------------Ozil--------------Ronaldo
------------------Benzema-----------------------

Callejon, Pipa to feature and maybe Sahin towards the end.

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Post by Turok_TTZ on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:51 pm

@Zealous wrote:No way Xabi doesn't start LOL

I expect this line up:

--------------------duh------------------
Arbeloa/Albiol--Ramos--Pepe------Marcelo---
----------Khedira-------Alonso--------------
-Kaka/-------------Ozil--------------Ronaldo
------------------Benzema-----------------------

Callejon, Pipa to feature and maybe Sahin towards the end.

Shocked albiol is good as a cb but rb? u gone mad Zeal? lass wud do a better job as rb than albiol.

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Post by Zealous on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:52 pm

Albiol has played right back before for both Madrid and Spain so yeah...

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Post by Turok_TTZ on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:56 pm

@Zealous wrote:Albiol has played right back before for both Madrid and Spain so yeah...

I dont mind albiol as a cb but a rb? sounds like a liability waiting to happen... that and i have yet to see a defensively solid performance from albiol in the rb position in a madrid shirt. I'd play carjaval as a rb if arbreloa and lass were out before i play albiol as a rb.

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Post by guest7 on Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:32 pm

None likes Albiol at RB (or in any position in that matter) but we're kind of short at RBs. Also, I think Mou will put Albiol at CB and Ramos to RB instead if that happens.

Also, f***, international break AND injuries against Valencia. Hoping for the best, but I'm shitting myself tbh. I'm glad we're atleast great against possession sides.
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Post by estrella bernabeu on Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:40 pm

No question Albiol take the RB in such a game and Di Maria is absent. At least the argentinian has a good work at pressing and playing backward, thing that is absolutely missed in Ozil.
Shoul keep our back line intouchable and choosing between KAKA and Higgy forward.

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Post by halamadrid2 on Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:47 pm

@Zealous wrote:Albiol has played right back before for both Madrid and Spain so yeah...

Well what position hasnt he played for us lol

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Post by Pedram on Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:55 pm

Once he has played as a DM LOL
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Post by buddytaller on Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:12 pm

Madrid doesn't need Alonso to beat Valencia, I think they are a tad overrated on this forum, we beat them quite comfortably in this fixture last season, and barring nothing of a huge shock we'll take the maximum points, especially since Canales and Banega would both not be playing.

I really think Alonso is physically exhausted, why take the risk, when we've a player itching to play, who is quite similar in quality. The season is long and the more you keep playing tired players the more likely they are to drop form or points or get injured. We don't want to have 11 tired players on the pitch, which was the case during our early season slump, Madrid has got a big squad and we must use it to its fullest.

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Post by S32TABLANCA on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:05 pm

------------------------Iker
--Arbeloa(Ramos)-Pepe-Ramos(Varane)-Marcelo
-----------------Khedira-Alonso
--------------Benzema-Ozil-Cristiano
-----------------------Higuain

I think Ramos should be our primary backup RB, gives Varane a bit of practice too. I wish Mou would use Benz and Pipita together to replace Di Maria, but doubt it.

I hope we can win and get that momentum going again. Barca probably wont lose, so maintaining the 3 point lead should be the objective.

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Post by estrella bernabeu on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:10 pm

It's Saturday 22:00 CET

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Post by Babun on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:19 pm

Valencia don't know how to deal with fast counters. We specialize on them Very Happy I don't see a problem beating them Very Happy Pathetico on the other hand play differently now. They might get easier of harder depending on how we'll play them eco smile

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Post by estrella bernabeu on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:22 pm

They made a video to boost their confidence !! After all, Sevilla was not as bad, they only lost H&A after their video :dance:


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Post by Valkyrja on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:23 pm

I can't see Blancos losing points on saturday.

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Post by futbol_bill on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:46 pm

I'm sticking to my original predictions. This game will be #4 of 9. I'm looking at a 0-2 score.
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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:49 pm

Wonder if we use our super-pressure to start the game... my worry with it is that we burn out come the second half. Might be worthwhile to even out the effort a bit in this game imo.

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Post by Babun on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:51 pm

@sportsczy wrote:Wonder if we use our super-pressure to start the game... my worry with it is that we burn out come the second half. Might be worthwhile to even out the effort a bit in this game imo.
Is it even possible without Di Maria? eco smile Valencia don't know how to park the bus, they'll come at us. I'd say we don't need our super pressure to start of eco smile

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Post by Guest on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:56 pm

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@sportsczy wrote:Wonder if we use our super-pressure to start the game... my worry with it is that we burn out come the second half. Might be worthwhile to even out the effort a bit in this game imo.
Is it even possible without Di Maria? eco smile Valencia don't know how to park the bus, they'll come at us. I'd say we don't need our super pressure to start of eco smile

I would think not and it's actually a good thing. This is a game where you play super tight defense and kill them on counters. Kind of like playing Germany or Spain Very Happy

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