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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by Error on Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:56 am

The way Mourinho and Coentrao has talked to media about versatility clearly indicates that Coentrao's role is not going to be a LB.

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by theaguia on Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:14 am

@Crimson wrote:
St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:who said he is going on the bench? Very Happy

Coentrao gets destroyed by decent opposition on the left flank with his preferred foot, you want to put him on the right? ok then.....

I am resigned to the fact that we are buying him, that seems pretty clear. But confused none the less.

If you watched him for Benfica like I have you will notice he has alot of trouble with players cutting in on his flank, even in the qualifiers you can see it, in the recent game for Portugal for example they got past him quite a few times.

Marcelo is by far the better player atm, but maybe Jose wants another pet project. Coentrao is quite excellant at going forward so maybe that's what Jose is looking for.

sorry but seriously have you watched this guy? i may be a benfica fan but i can assure this guy is top notch one the best. I cant judge your opion on a game or 2. People said the same about di maria (he sux, we want silva, he sucked at wc, he cant cross, and so on) and look at him now.
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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by vanDEEZ on Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:18 am

ragbirjosh wrote:This corentrao discussion is really wierd.I got a question , do we have a buy back clause on opare? Cuz he was F**king beasting at standard liege this season.

i actually brought this up in the old forum. apparently no- to answer your question. i dont think hes coming back.

coentrao: such an unnecessary buy. we put him on the left- we displace one of our youngest and most improved player for one who is just as young an inexperienced. imo not better

we put him on the right- we displace either ramos or arbeloa for a player who is not as good as either of them and will be playing out of position

we put him on the bench- then we just have another young talented player rotting on the bench

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:19 am

@theaquia, it's good to see you back.

Coentrao is legit imo, in attack and in defense. Mourinho wouldnt be signing him otherwise.

I bet we will play a lot of pressing next season. fast defenders help to play a high line

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by theaguia on Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:27 am

i guess coentrao is like carvalho a reallly loyal player who really will follow the coach's orders. I guess this is the quality mou appriciates and thus is trying to bring coentrao to madrid. Obviously there is whole array of skills to add on. but in mous prospective he rather has a lb who listens playing at rb rather than an a pure rb who doesnt follow orders.
And guys stop underestimating coentrao, seriously the guys a beast. The guy has kept some of the biggest names in football rather quiet. Give some credit where its due

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by Doc on Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:30 am

I would like to say I give Coentrao much credit he deserves but Aguia, it's only human for us to have some doubts to a left back playing right back. Also, you've seen the improvements Marcelo has made, I don't think anyone would want to see all the work Marcelo has accomplished to be easily replaced just like that.

Also, good to see you back man...

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by The Madrid One on Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:04 am

@Error wrote:The way Mourinho and Coentrao has talked to media about versatility clearly indicates that Coentrao's role is not going to be a LB.
yep pretty obvious

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by ♠Ace on Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:08 am

I rather we buy a CB than coentrao
Coentrao is talented and all, but we have Marcelo

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by vanDEEZ on Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:13 am

id rather we buy a true RB, or a young rising CB who wouldnt mind sitting the bench for a year
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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by hrealmadrid on Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:56 am

Coentrao is great but this purchase simply is not justified.
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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by The Madrid One on Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:01 am

20 mil euros is alot imo

we have 2 starting cbs for years to come, but after carvalho leaves, albiol is out best?

we will need to buy a cb sooner or later.

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by hrealmadrid on Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:45 am

Hummels? Not this summer though
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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by theaguia on Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:14 am

@Doc wrote:I would like to say I give Coentrao much credit he deserves but Aguia, it's only human for us to have some doubts to a left back playing right back. Also, you've seen the improvements Marcelo has made, I don't think anyone would want to see all the work Marcelo has accomplished to be easily replaced just like that.

Also, good to see you back man...

i do understand what you are saying, but the same situation happened with di maria, in mou we should trust. Thats all im saying.
i guess i am happy to back, i just have some time in my hands now so why not spend it on discussing the worlds best sport?
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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by theaguia on Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:19 am

deal 90% done 25 mil + garay

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by Guest on Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:21 am

I think and this is my own prsonal opinion that the real reason for buying someone like Coentrao is to back up Marcelo and the LW and in a pinch can play other positions if absolutely needed.

We had alot of problems last season when Marcelo was injured/suspended and although Arbeloa filled in well defensively we lost alot of spark and attack to our game because Marcelo was not there. See the first leg against Lyon for example.

Marcelo provides an excellent attacking outlet and link up from defense to attack and when he is out of the team you notice the difference. Sure we have other alternatives but it does not work the same.

I think this would be a good move as we could rotate Marcelo to keep him fresh and if he does get injured or suspended we could bring in Coentrao without losing that tactical advantage or changing up the plan too much

Also if in a pinch we are chasing the game it would be an idea to bring in Coentrao and have both operating on the same side of the pitch. As he is fast and again provides a good attacking outlet.

To me in the world of professional football it makes no sense to buy a player and put him on the right if he has never done it before and who is still not completely solid as a left back to begin with. Especially when there are so many better options out there for RB.

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by The Madrid One on Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:25 am

good input crimson.

we will def have variety regarding our defense.

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:51 am

Altho the points you make are valid crimson, i can hardly imagine mourinho signing a player of that level to become the back up of Marcelo.

Coentrao is arguably better than Marcelo at performing the traditional tasks of the LB. Marcelo performed great last season but he lacked a great of consistency.

For the sake of non getting into an argument of marcelo x coentrao, i would say both are on par. We have listened to mourinho talking about his versatility, which suggest he might not be used just into the LB position.

It makes no sense to Go around buying the likes of Altintop and Callejon and then adding another Coentrao on top of it just to cover the wings positions.

He is just too good to come and cover marcelo. We can do something like that in attack and rotate the guys, but defense is another matter. Marcelo played 40+games last season, and frankly he almost never looked tired. He is also one of the persons in the team that need the most of playing time from the look of it. He is far from being a cultured LB. I see it as the only way for him to improve consistently.

To me it looks like both will be playing the wide position in defense. Specially if we play a 3 man midfield, they will provide added width to the attack and cutting runs forward stretching the defense.

Coentrao is a better defender atm, he also run harder and work harder, imo that's how he will do most of his defending.

It might be Marcelo moving to the right, as it fits both playing styles better but it's hard to say atm. There are cheaper players we can have for that role, and even Arbeloa has shown to be a diligent defender. Our attacking position are covered as Callejon is very much a workaholic on the wings as well.

However, I certainly dont think he is coming here to play back up.

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by shaven on Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:21 am

I rather use arbeloa than coentrao, what we need is a cb

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by Guest on Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:24 am

@shaven wrote:I rather use arbeloa than coentrao, what we need is a cb

Personally I'd rather buy Monreal but thats just me and yeah another CB

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:28 am

sure if we wanted a back up then that kind of player would make more sense.

I fear mourinho will make a mess of the defense, it's strange as he never tries to mess with defense at the very least

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by adnyana179 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:30 am

@Crimson wrote:
@shaven wrote:I rather use arbeloa than coentrao, what we need is a cb

Personally I'd rather buy Monreal but thats just me and yeah another CB
I agree.

Benfica are said to want him as Coentrao's replacement, but I'd rather us move for him ourselves. We were linked with Monreal at one point, but it died down once the Coentrao talks really escalated.

Another CB is surely in the works too.
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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:36 am

According to AS, Coentrao deal can be announced this week, within the next 3 days

@adnyana179 wrote:

Another CB is surely in the works too.

I wouldnt bet too much on that, mateos is gonna play the preseason and he might be the only one we keep, altho he aint good enough to back up imo.

A veteran CB would be ideal but we will have a difficult time finding one good enough on the market.

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by Magricos on Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:26 am

Coentrao is an excellent player just dont see how it will work out.

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by guest7 on Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:04 am

This is different becouse now we get 2 really good attacking fullbacks. Mourinho used that in Inter (Zanetti, Maicon) and it showed results. I approve.
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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by Onyx on Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:00 am

Wasn't Zanetti more defensive though ?

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Re: Fabio Coentrao Discussion

Post by bloodless on Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:17 am

lol what is going on here, only 300 posts less than general football, keep up the fire boys

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