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Post by Onyx Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:23 pm

Yeh Spain and Barca require quick and agile midfielders who can dribble in tight spaces etc.

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Post by julias Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:10 pm

Because Xabi Alonso, Xavi and Busquets dribble in tight spaces? >_>

Because Xabi Alonso and Busquets are agile? >_>
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:15 pm

julias wrote:Because Xabi Alonso, Xavi and Busquets dribble in tight spaces? >_>

Because Xabi Alonso and Busquets are agile? >_>


They are DMs tbf, it's a little different and Busquets is fantastic in tight spaces.

It's probably one of his key attributes.

And I just saw Xavi he's probably the best CM in tight spaces in the history of football lol.
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Post by julias Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:24 pm

It's one thing being capable of and good at working in tight spaces and it's another actually dribbling in tight spaces tbh

Of which all of the above I would class in the former category

Of the Spain and Barca CMs I would say only Iniesta and Silva actually dribble in tight spaces the rest use good body shuffles and faints to create a yard to get a pass off. As opposed to literally dribbling in tight spaces to drive forward.

Either way imo Cesc can play for both Barca and Spain but because he scored a lot more goals than the aforementioned I believe he was shifted forward to try and accommodate him without interfering with Xavi, Busquets Iniesta etc. That's my opinion anyway
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:32 pm

What he means by dribbling in tight spaces is creating space for himself in tight spaces.

Confusing choice of words I know.
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Post by julias Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:54 pm

Oh ok in that case I would be inclined to agree on that criteria....
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Post by Gil Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:07 pm

It's amazing how great a talent Fabregas is. Probably the best teenage player there's ever been apart from the obvious few (Pele, R9). He was dominating the likes of Viera and Zidane at 18 which is absolutely insane.

He's got the goalscoring ability of Frank Lampard (70 goals over his last 5 seasons which is better than some CM's career total) & the vision/playmaking ability of a true #10, the likes of Messi, Ronaldinho, Socrates, Rui Costa, Maradona, Riquelme, Laudrup, Zidane etc he's as good a passer as most of those players and in some cases even better.

All that's left for him to prove as a player is if he can control and dictate games at the highest levels like greats such as Xavi, Pirlo, Scholes, Matthaus. His current manager certainly believes he can.

For someone constantly described as not being a "Mourinho type player" ad nauseam, he's given him the best platform to make the most of his talents unlike Wenger and his boyhood club. He has a wizard in Hazard that will create space for him and pick him out for goalscoring chances, he's got several runners in Costa, Schurrle, Salah etc & most importantly, he's playing alongside workhorses like Oscar, Matic, Ramires that will cover up gaps and negate his average engine.

More performances like Burnley yesterday and the accolades & trophies will come.
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Post by boyzis Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:18 pm

the hype chelsea fans create is just incredible. I mean just one game and they start calling him world class which clearly he isnt. What difference does signing him make this is the same club which sold mata and has oscar for the same position but they still couldn't win anything. They will get tired of him sooner I know mourinho his system won't stand such a player. Let the season continue.

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Post by CBarca Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:20 pm

Gil overhyping a player?

Didn't see that coming.
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Post by Curtinho Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:28 pm

I've never been the biggest Cesc fan, but how can anyone say he isn't WC?
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Post by Donuts Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:24 pm

Last I checked the madrid fans said he wasn't wc
All the Barca fans just didn't like him, because he didn't fit in our team not that he sucked
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Post by Doc Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:34 pm

Madrid fans also thought Portillo would have been a good forward so let's not use them (us) as a yard stick for judging talent.

Also, Burnley. He played well against Burnley. Fab never had any problems playing well against La Liga's cannon fodder. It's when he was up against tougher opposition that he was found wanting.

Then again, Barcelona's way of football can be quite complex if you are not versatile enough.
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Post by RealGunner Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:46 pm

Gil wrote:It's amazing how great a talent Fabregas is. Probably the best teenage player there's ever been apart from the obvious few (Pele, R9). He was dominating the likes of Viera and Zidane at 18 which is absolutely insane.

He's got the goalscoring ability of Frank Lampard (70 goals over his last 5 seasons which is better than some CM's career total) & the vision/playmaking ability of a true #10, the likes of Messi, Ronaldinho, Socrates, Rui Costa, Maradona, Riquelme, Laudrup, Zidane etc he's as good a passer as most of those players and in some cases even better.

All that's left for him to prove as a player is if he can control and dictate games at the highest levels like greats such as Xavi, Pirlo, Scholes, Matthaus. His current manager certainly believes he can.

For someone constantly described as not being a "Mourinho type player" ad nauseam, he's given him the best platform to make the most of his talents unlike Wenger and his boyhood club. He has a wizard in Hazard that will create space for him and pick him out for goalscoring chances, he's got several runners in Costa, Schurrle, Salah etc & most importantly, he's playing alongside workhorses like Oscar, Matic, Ramires that will cover up gaps and negate his average engine.

More performances like Burnley yesterday and the accolades & trophies will come.


Great post.
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Post by DuringTheWar Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:45 pm

Gil wrote:It's amazing how great a talent Fabregas is. Probably the best teenage player there's ever been apart from the obvious few (Pele, R9). He was dominating the likes of Viera and Zidane at 18 which is absolutely insane.
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That's a huge exaggeration
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Post by Clockwork Orange Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:53 pm

The truth is that Francesc Fabregas could not perform and adapt to the Ducth principle that were instilled at Barcelona. He is playing in a much weaker league now so he looks good. La Liga is where the best players are plying their trade. Gil please refrain from saying such rubbish in the future.

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Post by Valkyrja Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:16 pm

Clockwork Orange wrote:The truth is that Francesc Fabregas could not perform and adapt to the Ducth principle that were instilled at Barcelona. He is playing in a much weaker league now so he looks good. La Liga is where the best players are plying their trade. Gil please refrain from saying such rubbish in the future.

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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:42 pm

who is JD and why does he/she suppress free speech?
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Post by Blue Barrett Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:47 pm

boyzis wrote:the hype chelsea fans create is just incredible. I mean just one game and they start calling him world class which clearly he isnt. What difference does signing him make this is the same club which sold mata and has oscar for the same position but they still couldn't win anything. They will get tired of him sooner I know mourinho his system won't stand such a player. Let the season continue.

Even with your history of ridiculous posts, this might be the worst. Cesc Fabregas isn't world class? Oh really? LOL.
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Post by Valkyrja Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:56 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:who is JD and why does he/she suppress free speech?


Jack Daniels. Real Madrid fan and GL mod aka posseses Batman like powers
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Post by Gil Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:13 pm

6 assists in just 4 games. :bow:
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Post by Valkyrja Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:20 pm

Has always been a CM and not used correctly at Barca. Finally showing his Arsenal form.
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Post by futbol Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:25 pm

Have been saying that he shits on Özil for ages. 3 games for Chelsea and it's accepted as a fact already. Good for everyone, let's move on. :coffee:

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Post by BarcaLearning Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:16 am

Glad to see him do well actually, he always gives his best. Just too bad didnt suit Barca. Thinking it was so strange, barca did so much to get him, but in the end, didnt prove all successful and let him go. He is an assist god, and familiar with the EPL, looking forward to tons more assists from him Smile
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Post by FennecFox7 Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:36 am

when cesc has space against BPL teams hes good. infact hes amazing when you don't pressure him. problem is he has the dribbling and ball retention ability of someone like xabi while playing as a 10. that's his fatal flaw.

perfect against ptb teams though
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Post by harhar11 Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:43 pm

Valkyrja wrote:Has always been a CM and not used correctly at Barca. Finally showing his Arsenal form.


At barca he played in every single forward position, including CM.

The problem with him was that he was only great in the first half of the season, having great numbers both in assist and goals. But once January started, he turned into the invisible man.

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Giggity5313 wrote:when cesc has space against BPL teams hes good. infact hes amazing when you don't pressure him. problem is he has the dribbling and ball retention ability of someone like xabi while playing as a 10. that's his fatal flaw.

perfect against ptb teams though


+1. Although don't agree that he is perfect against ptb teams. Maybe when it's smaller teams who parks the bus, but once the bigger teams do it, he tended to be our worst player..

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Post by Gil Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:55 pm

What a shit stat you just posted. Cesc hasn't scored a single goal in a Chelsea shirt yet he's been the 2nd or 3rd best player in the League so far.

Anyway, selling the best passer in the World for just £26m has to be the biggest gaffe of the summer. At least Madrid got a kings ransom on Di Maria.
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