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Post by huntsman on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:10 pm

Madrid supporters on this forum wants him either sold or a benchwarmer. Do you guys agree with them?

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Post by Harmonica on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:12 pm

Who?

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Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:12 pm

I don't agree with them, you were right with Kaka' and Lass.
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Post by huntsman on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:15 pm

@urbaNRoots wrote:I don't agree with them, you were right with Kaka' and Lass.

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Post by Batigoal on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:15 pm

*lol* @ diarra stoping messi

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Post by the xcx on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:15 pm

ugh...
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Post by milanfan7 on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:16 pm

Huntsman,what do you think about Bonera?

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Post by Senor Penguin on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:19 pm

Thread is supposed to be about Zanetti not Diarra.

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Post by huntsman on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:22 pm

@Senor Penguin wrote:Thread is supposed to be about Zanetti not Diarra.

Zanetti stopped him as well.

But this thread is about how Diarra shut down messi.
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Post by huntsman on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:23 pm

@Milanfan7 wrote: Huntsman,what do you think about Bonera?

I dont know him really well.
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Post by Senor Penguin on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:30 pm

@huntsman wrote:
@Senor Penguin wrote:Thread is supposed to be about Zanetti not Diarra.

Zanetti stopped him as well.

But this thread is about how Diarra shut down messi.
Diarra didn't shut him down at all but nonetheless he did do better than his usual against Barca. 2-6 game is a good reference where he (along with Gago) was the main culprit to Madrid's weak defense (read: catastrophically poor pressure / watching football).

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Post by huntsman on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:34 pm

@Senor Penguin wrote:
@huntsman wrote:
@Senor Penguin wrote:Thread is supposed to be about Zanetti not Diarra.

Zanetti stopped him as well.

But this thread is about how Diarra shut down messi.
Diarra didn't shut him down at all but nonetheless he did do better than his usual against Barca. 2-6 game is a good reference where he (along with Gago) was the main culprit to Madrid's weak defense (read: catastrophically poor pressure / watching football).

Why are you taking me two years back?

Lass stopped Messi, he was the man of the match for Madrid, i have been saying this since the game was over 3 - 1. To say he was better than his usual against Barca is a crime. He was the best Madrid player during this classico, the second was Kaka.
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Post by Harmonica on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:37 pm

He certainly stopped Messi at my sig. :coffee:

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Post by huntsman on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:43 pm

jiopsi wrote:He certainly stopped Messi at my sig. :coffee:

He did actually, Messi barely managed to get rid of the ball when Lass closed on him, but it was the stupidity of Pepe and a little from Ramos that earned barca the equalizer. Lass was not actually marking him but when Messi tore between the other madrid players and Lass had to close in on him he made Messi sweat to get rid of the ball. That assist was lucky but well played. And finally, needless to say, Iker was again a hero, this ball would have been saved if it were for any other decent goalkeeper, but let's not go there right now.

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Post by Harmonica on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:43 pm

Shocked

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Post by Senor Penguin on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:44 pm

@huntsman wrote:
@Senor Penguin wrote:
@huntsman wrote:
@Senor Penguin wrote:Thread is supposed to be about Zanetti not Diarra.

Zanetti stopped him as well.

But this thread is about how Diarra shut down messi.
Diarra didn't shut him down at all but nonetheless he did do better than his usual against Barca. 2-6 game is a good reference where he (along with Gago) was the main culprit to Madrid's weak defense (read: catastrophically poor pressure / watching football).

Why are you taking me two years back?

Lass stopped Messi, he was the man of the match for Madrid, i have been saying this since the game was over 3 - 1. To say he was better than his usual against Barca is a crime. He was the best Madrid player during this classico, the second was Kaka.
There is only so much YouTube can teach you my dear. Diarra wasn't man of the match for Madrid by any consensus nor was Kaka close to becoming it.

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Post by huntsman on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:46 pm

@Senor Penguin wrote:
@huntsman wrote:
@Senor Penguin wrote:
@huntsman wrote:
@Senor Penguin wrote:Thread is supposed to be about Zanetti not Diarra.

Zanetti stopped him as well.

But this thread is about how Diarra shut down messi.
Diarra didn't shut him down at all but nonetheless he did do better than his usual against Barca. 2-6 game is a good reference where he (along with Gago) was the main culprit to Madrid's weak defense (read: catastrophically poor pressure / watching football).

Why are you taking me two years back?

Lass stopped Messi, he was the man of the match for Madrid, i have been saying this since the game was over 3 - 1. To say he was better than his usual against Barca is a crime. He was the best Madrid player during this classico, the second was Kaka.
There is only so much YouTube can teach you my dear. Diarra wasn't man of the match for Madrid by any consensus nor was Kaka close to becoming it.

I saw the game. I dont need anyone to teach me, i have common sense and i know how to use it.
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Post by huntsman on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:49 pm

That's why 4 - 3 - 3 wont cut it for madrid against Barca. The team work is lacking and the quality of players doesnt allow it. They have to many offense oriented players at Madrid.
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Post by Senor Penguin on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:51 pm

@huntsman wrote:
@Senor Penguin wrote:
@huntsman wrote:
@Senor Penguin wrote:
@huntsman wrote:
@Senor Penguin wrote:Thread is supposed to be about Zanetti not Diarra.

Zanetti stopped him as well.

But this thread is about how Diarra shut down messi.
Diarra didn't shut him down at all but nonetheless he did do better than his usual against Barca. 2-6 game is a good reference where he (along with Gago) was the main culprit to Madrid's weak defense (read: catastrophically poor pressure / watching football).

Why are you taking me two years back?

Lass stopped Messi, he was the man of the match for Madrid, i have been saying this since the game was over 3 - 1. To say he was better than his usual against Barca is a crime. He was the best Madrid player during this classico, the second was Kaka.
There is only so much YouTube can teach you my dear. Diarra wasn't man of the match for Madrid by any consensus nor was Kaka close to becoming it.

I saw the game. I dont need anyone to teach me, i have common sense and i know how to use it.
And yet you're oblivious to the fact that Callejon outperforms Cronaldo every time he steps onto the pitch. You disappoint me.

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Post by huntsman on Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:54 pm

I have nothing against Callejon, he's doing good lately.
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Post by Senor Penguin on Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:04 pm

@huntsman wrote:I have nothing against Callejon, he's doing good lately.
You have not seen the light until you advertise a bench role for Cronaldo in favor of Callejon.

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Post by huntsman on Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:11 pm

Lass was the best defensive midfielder at Madrid and MOTM for Madrid, but Kaka did all the offensive work. Yes we had little chances, but he was there leading everyone of them, taking the rebounds from the defense, leading the counters, shooting with both legs, trying hard to do something. Sure he was owned / stopped by Puyol but Puyol had to go from sleeping mode to God Mode and many times he had to double mark him with Pique.

That said, I expect alot more from Kaka; i dont care if he's the best or second best Madrid player, but i expect much more from him.
I name three conditions for Kaka to break hell loose:

1) Kaka needs to be a starter not a benchwarmer
2) Kaka needs to play a CAM or CM role. He needs to be the focal point of every counter or play and not just share touches with Alonso, Ronaldo, Ozil, Benzema, or whoever. He needs to be given the freedom. Simple, Mourinho tell him, go and play man, do your things.
3) The threat coming from Ozil needs to be extinguished. Both players are suffering, mourinho needs to sit with both of them, and make it a point that Kaka will start, Ozil will be a sub. Ozil will share playing time with Kaka and Di Maria.

If those three conditions are met, Kaka would be back in hot form.

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Post by julias on Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:12 pm

saying that I do remember him dispossessing Messi at least 3 times in that match

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Post by FalcaoPunch on Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:36 pm

Callejon does NOT outperform Ronaldo.
He is playing very well and that's it.
Just in Cup games and CL games when we rested our players.

And in La Liga he played well against Sevilla.
But to say he out performs him is ignorant.
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Post by The Franchise on Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:40 pm

That Kaka vid was hilarity lol

Him getting owned time and again by "useless" Busquets, "past it" Puyol , making basic passes and shooting one tame shot which Valdes made look more dangerous than it was.

Dont know whats worse, the notion that Kaka had a good game or Lass shut Messi down lol
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