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Post by Rebaño Sagrado on Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:58 pm

Ronaldo????

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Post by SuperMAG on Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:01 pm

What a match, missed all the action soooooo much, it was a very long holiday.

Alonso had a bad match, kaka needs be get rid off asap (we should try young spanish castilla talent), callejon was useless, its either him or ronaldo, both are useless together, higuain was meh at first half, but once benz came, he got released, khedira was impressive.

Benz was the game changer though, with his movements and overall play, he opened their defence.

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Post by the xcx on Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:02 pm

Before the 68th minute we were trailing 2 goals behind
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Post by Zees on Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:03 pm

Ronaldo MOTM ? Laughing

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Post by Ganso on Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:03 pm

Ronaldo was shet
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Post by S32TABLANCA on Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:03 pm

QUE REMONTADA!!!

HALA MADRID!!!

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Post by chad4401 on Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:04 pm

hmmm benz best player in the team confirmed again? :coffee:

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Post by mcmanus on Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:05 pm

Khedira changed the game, so underrated! Madrid always play much better with him instead of lass in midfield. Lass is better at RB anyway.

And Ronaldos presence cannot be underrated, he delivered a perfect cross for benzema that he would have tapped in another day

great second half
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Post by SuperMAG on Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:11 pm

yea, ronaldo was great too and no khedira didnt changed the game, yes he scored an odd goal and put some defensive work, but our defence wasnt the problem, our attack was too rigid and disjointed, benz came on, dragged defenders and connected with ronaldo and higuain and completely disrupted their backline. thats how we could have scored 4/5 goals in second half while none in first.

i agree kheidra overall work is getting underrated and all, but sometimes you need to look at the whole picture and then decide.

ronaldo and higuain needed help, benz provided that.

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Post by ijomer on Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:15 pm

no mention of ozil anywhere here ... hmm

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Post by Magic Spray on Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:19 pm

Benz, Higgy and Ronaldo play fantastic together. We need to see more of that combination imo

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Post by vanDEEZ on Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:20 pm

did the match end 3-2? i stopped watching after we scored the third. the stream was getting too choppy.

great substitutions by mou, but why even start off the game with kaka?
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Post by nikolai on Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:21 am

3-2 win nice work Madrid coming back from 2-0 down
Hope they can play non-starting 11 people in the next leg

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Post by halamadrid2 on Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:04 am

Ronaldo MOTM....are you being serious

Ronaldo or FOTM more like

who was the one with the flick to benzemas goal??? was it higgy??

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Post by Pedram on Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:14 pm

I think Mou will never start Kaka in any match again.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:26 pm

@ijomer wrote:Lass, Benz, Ronaldo MOTM

are you kidding? when did u decide that Lass was Motm? when he did that flick to get away from Pressure? And ronaldo? just lol

Khedira, Higuain, Benzema and Ozil were the best on the pitch, shred through malaga in 2nd half.

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Post by hrealmadrid on Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:29 pm

Higuain is pure class. Nothing we didn't know though Cool
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Post by BarcaLearning on Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:44 am

Good game to watch, and nice comeback for Real, although too bad for Malaga the second goal was a gift! Anyway, Real were always going to go through and meet us Barca Very Happy

Call me trolling but again, the manager's behaviour, Mourinho when u guys were behind was pretty disgusting....he and the Real bench abused the ref, although the ref did get decisions wrong in this match, the way they behaved was just poor and does not show well for a top club so called like Real? Mourinho running up and appraching the Malaga assistant coach I believe it was un called for as well, who the hell does Mourinho think he is? Looool!

Its just that time and time again he is cocky when he wins, and loses it when he loses, the man has no class.

Anyway, see u in the next round Very Happy
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Post by huntsman on Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:59 am

Good Guys are losers, BarcaLearning. They lose in the end and get their ass wiped by the bad guys.
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Post by BarcaLearning on Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:48 pm

@SuperMAG wrote:What a match, missed all the action soooooo much, it was a very long holiday.

Alonso had a bad match, kaka needs be get rid off asap (we should try young spanish castilla talent), callejon was useless, its either him or ronaldo, both are useless together, higuain was meh at first half, but once benz came, he got released, khedira was impressive.

Benz was the game changer though, with his movements and overall play, he opened their defence.

@chad4401 wrote:hmmm benz best player in the team confirmed again? :coffee:

@SuperMAG wrote:yea, ronaldo was great too and no khedira didnt changed the game, yes he scored an odd goal and put some defensive work, but our defence wasnt the problem, our attack was too rigid and disjointed, benz came on, dragged defenders and connected with ronaldo and higuain and completely disrupted their backline. thats how we could have scored 4/5 goals in second half while none in first.

i agree kheidra overall work is getting underrated and all, but sometimes you need to look at the whole picture and then decide.

ronaldo and higuain needed help, benz provided that.

Yep, agree with the above. SuperMAG what would u say, I have seen Real play badly in a few occasions this season, but always Mourinho were able to make the changes and correct it very quickly they suddenly they score and hit momentum and win games.... it scary how easy they look like scoring at times when they are on top in games. But those few occasions shows that they have flaws.

I think Benzema is very very important to them now since as u said his link up work is just brilliant and his touches have been amazing. But if u put him up front hes less able to link like he can if he drops deeper or wide. It was intersting in the second half that it was Ronaldo, Ozil, Benzema, Hugauin, and the 3 midfielders. Just not sure whats the best for Real, and goes to show that Real are quite a lot weaker if their best 11 dont start?

@huntsman wrote:Good Guys are losers, BarcaLearning. They lose in the end and get their ass wiped by the bad guys.

Loool, that may go for some things in this world, such as teenage girls? Laughing But as the last few years have shown, the good guys (Barca) beat the bad guys (Real and Mou) in football Smile
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Post by SuperMAG on Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:40 pm

lol omarish.

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Post by SuperMAG on Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:00 pm

@BarcaLearning wrote:
Yep, agree with the above. SuperMAG what would u say, I have seen Real play badly in a few occasions this season, but always Mourinho were able to make the changes and correct it very quickly they suddenly they score and hit momentum and win games.... it scary how easy they look like scoring at times when they are on top in games. But those few occasions shows that they have flaws.

I think Benzema is very very important to them now since as u said his link up work is just brilliant and his touches have been amazing. But if u put him up front hes less able to link like he can if he drops deeper or wide. It was intersting in the second half that it was Ronaldo, Ozil, Benzema, Hugauin, and the 3 midfielders. Just not sure whats the best for Real, and goes to show that Real are quite a lot weaker if their best 11 dont start?

Nope, its completely the opposite, we had different variety of players that makes our squad even more stronger then barca's.

The thing is we dont have "the best starting eleven", we have players that can be strong in some situations and weak in other situations.

The fact that we have players that compete so aggresively for a postion is the prof how strong our squad is, for example, higuain vs benzema is the biggest competition in the squad right now, both players are performing cuz they know one bad performance will make them get dropped, but they have nothing but respect for each other which makes a very healthy competition between them, similerly there is Ozil vs Kaka, Callejon vs Maria, Sahin vs Khedira vs Lass, Contrao vs Marcelo.

The great thing is most of these players can play in equally more or less good in different positions which gives us variety of options to rotate and make the players to work for their positions and give rest to other players.

This makes us a very very strong squad unit, perhaps the best in the world in that department, but all this comes with a bad side too, we dont have the best starting lineup like other teams.

For example if we play with ozil/benz/higuain/cr, we might score more and dominate if the opposition doesn't fight, but if the opposition team is good especially in pressing, it will hurt our pressure game cuz not all of them have exceptional defensive workrate or run like mad men behind the ball that causes even barca players to hoof the ball. The prof is how malaga had many dangerous chances was because of no midfield compactness and pressure, all the attackers were way top. leaving only defensive players + the defensive player that get forward like marcelo, khedira.

If we play with maria, ozil, benz, cr which is our most balanced lineup, we will dominate against teams that are not possession hoggers but if we face a team that have technical players and are a possession team like barca, the output will be that ozil will dissapeir, CR will get into his *bleep* up mode, maria will screw up 90% of our attacks.

With this squad we can win almost 9/10 times against any other good/bad teams other then barca where we usually struggle cuz of this squad alone.

Prof is exatly the example you used, against malaga how we recovered was because we had strong bench, we knew (or most likely mou knew) which players will open up malaga.

The start against malaga was a unique one, we usually completely dominate the first half with waves of attack after attack and get to sleep in second, but against malaga we were not concentrated enough due to return from holidays, the reason even mou mentioned in the press.

Hope i didn't write this essay for nothing lol.

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Post by BarcaLearning on Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:56 am

@SuperMAG wrote:
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Yep, agree with the above. SuperMAG what would u say, I have seen Real play badly in a few occasions this season, but always Mourinho were able to make the changes and correct it very quickly they suddenly they score and hit momentum and win games.... it scary how easy they look like scoring at times when they are on top in games. But those few occasions shows that they have flaws.

I think Benzema is very very important to them now since as u said his link up work is just brilliant and his touches have been amazing. But if u put him up front hes less able to link like he can if he drops deeper or wide. It was intersting in the second half that it was Ronaldo, Ozil, Benzema, Hugauin, and the 3 midfielders. Just not sure whats the best for Real, and goes to show that Real are quite a lot weaker if their best 11 dont start?

Nope, its completely the opposite, we had different variety of players that makes our squad even more stronger then barca's.

The thing is we dont have "the best starting eleven", we have players that can be strong in some situations and weak in other situations.

The fact that we have players that compete so aggresively for a postion is the prof how strong our squad is, for example, higuain vs benzema is the biggest competition in the squad right now, both players are performing cuz they know one bad performance will make them get dropped, but they have nothing but respect for each other which makes a very healthy competition between them, similerly there is Ozil vs Kaka, Callejon vs Maria, Sahin vs Khedira vs Lass, Contrao vs Marcelo.

The great thing is most of these players can play in equally more or less good in different positions which gives us variety of options to rotate and make the players to work for their positions and give rest to other players.

This makes us a very very strong squad unit, perhaps the best in the world in that department, but all this comes with a bad side too, we dont have the best starting lineup like other teams.

For example if we play with ozil/benz/higuain/cr, we might score more and dominate if the opposition doesn't fight, but if the opposition team is good especially in pressing, it will hurt our pressure game cuz not all of them have exceptional defensive workrate or run like mad men behind the ball that causes even barca players to hoof the ball. The prof is how malaga had many dangerous chances was because of no midfield compactness and pressure, all the attackers were way top. leaving only defensive players + the defensive player that get forward like marcelo, khedira.

If we play with maria, ozil, benz, cr which is our most balanced lineup, we will dominate against teams that are not possession hoggers but if we face a team that have technical players and are a possession team like barca, the output will be that ozil will dissapeir, CR will get into his *bleep* up mode, maria will screw up 90% of our attacks.

With this squad we can win almost 9/10 times against any other good/bad teams other then barca where we usually struggle cuz of this squad alone.

Prof is exatly the example you used, against malaga how we recovered was because we had strong bench, we knew (or most likely mou knew) which players will open up malaga.

The start against malaga was a unique one, we usually completely dominate the first half with waves of attack after attack and get to sleep in second, but against malaga we were not concentrated enough due to return from holidays, the reason even mou mentioned in the press.

Hope i didn't write this essay for nothing lol.

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SuperMAG I know what ur saying and ur probably right, except that I think although Real have a very strong squad and often can put an entire difference 11 and be able to beat teams. But it seems that up against the better top teams, the second string side would still struggle. Malaga game first half example, but there were also a couple of occasions this season. I cant remember what team it was but Ozil didnt started that game, Lass did, and they really struggled, Mourinho responded quickly, brought him on for Lass at around 30 mins I think it was and completely changed the game, meaning losing a couple of first choice, Real would still be weakened to an extend, and that extend can make the difference between winning or not in certain games.

I just feel that there is so little for margin of error for Real and Barca these days that everything has to be spot on for both games in every game, to ensure no slip up. The pressure is just incredible. Obviously players need to rest, get injured etc and u have to rotate, and hope that players coming in can always perform and get the results needed.

Benzema has shown again in the Granada game how vital he is atm, especially with Di Maria out. Certain players and setup would probably be more suited to different opponents as u mentioned, but I agree if Mouinho wants both Benzema and Higuain in, he will need to drop one of Di Maria or Ozil, etc...

For ur point that Real struggle against technical possession teams, why do u think that is? Obviously we all know about Barca, and that Real is probably in quick counter attacks, but for example the Granada game just now, they tried to park the bus like lots of teams now that play Barca and Real struggled early but eventually were able to win comfortably as well.

And lastly, what do u think Real should line up should we meet in the next round?

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Post by SuperMAG on Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:34 pm

As i said, malaga games was a unique one, we conceded from 2 corners due to lack to concentration, that didnt mean we needed benz to win that game, we were back from holidays, like barca when they comeback from internationals they forget everything.

We can still easily win games against the likes of malaga with our second team.

As for us vs malaga/granada and dimaria, its all about the balance of the team, we need to balance creativity, against malaga we put kaka, callejon, ronaldo and pipa, now all of those arent as creative as maria, benz and ozil, we were drained of creativity in attack at the first half against malaga, it was mou foult not to put some creative players in the final third. its exatly like when u put lass with kehdira with no alonso or sahin. While against granada, we had benz and ozil who had enough creativity to open their defence.

About vs barca, i am still not sure, i have 2 or 3 different ones, all depend on situations and the mentality that we are at the time.

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Post by ÖMARz on Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:43 pm

kaka starting ahead of ozil. we are DOOMED for failure :facepalm:

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