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Formula 1 Season 2012

Post by JespSwe on Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:37 am

World Championship standings, round 11:

1. Vettel 255
2. Alonso 245
3. Raikkonen 198
4. Webber 167
5. Hamilton 165
6. Button 153
7. Massa 95
8. Rosberg 93
9. Grosjean 90
10. Perez 66
11. Kobayashi 58
12. Hulkenberg 49
13. Di Resta 46
14. Maldonado 43
15. Schumacher 43
16. Senna 30
17. Vergne 12
18. Ricciardo 10


Constructors:

1. Red Bull Racing 422
2. Ferrari 340
3. Mclaren Mercedes 318
4. Lotus-Renault 288
5. Mercedes 136
6. Sauber-Ferrari 124
7. Force India Mercedes 95
8. Williams-Renault 73
9. Torro-Rosso Ferrari 22






Teams/Drivers:

Red Bull Racing



Drivers: Sebastian Vettel , Mark Webber
Team profile: Team Principal - Christian Horner ; Technical Director - Adrian Newey ; Chief Designer - Rob Marshall ; Head of Aerodynamics - Peter Prodromou
Car: Red Bull RB8

Vodafone Mclaren Mercedes



Drivers: Jenson Button , Lewis Hamilton
Team profile: Team Principal - Martin Whitmarsh ; Technical Director - Pady Lowe, Neal Oatley ; Engineering Director - Tim Goss ; Head of Aerodynamics - Doug McKiernan
Car: McLaren MP4-27

Scuderia Ferrari



Drivers: Fernando Alonso , Felipe Massa
Team Profile: Team Principal - Stephano Domenicali ; Technical Director - Pat Fry ; Chief Designer - Nicolas Tombazis
Senior Aerodynamicist - Loic Bigois ??? starting from Sept. 2012
Car: F2012

Mercedes AMG F1



Drivers: Nico Rosberg , Michael Schumacher
Team Profile: Team Principal - Ross Brawn ; Technical Director - Bob Bell ; Engineering Director - Aldo Costa ; Technology Director (R&D) - Geoff Willis / *Loic Bigois released, May 2012
Head of Aerodynamics - Mike Elliot joined April 2012
Car: Mercedes F1 W03

Lotus F1



Drivers: Kimi Raikkonen , Romain Grosjean
Team Profile: Team Principal - Eric Bouiller ; Technical Director - James Allison ; Chief Designer - Martin Tolliday; Head of Aerodynamics - Dirk de Beer
Car: Lotus E20

Force India



Drivers: Paul Di Resta , Nico Hulkenberg
Team Profile: Team Principal - Vijay Mallya ; Technical Director - Andrew Green
Car: Force India VJM05

Sauber F1



Drivers: Kamui Kobayashi , Sergio Perez
Team Profile: Team Principal - Peter Sauber ; Technical Director - James Key *Released - rumours linking him to join STR
Chief Designer - Matt Morris; Head of Aerodynamics - Willem Toet
Car: Sauber C31

Scuderia Torro Rosso



Drivers: Jean-eric Vergne , Daniel Riccardo
Team Profile: Team Principal - Franz Tost ; Technical Director - Giorgio Ascanelli *Released - rumoured to have linked for Ferrari return
Car: Toro Rosso STR7

Williams F1



Drivers: Pastor Maldonado , Bruno Senna
Team Profile: Team Principal - Sir Frank Williams *retired this year, will be taken over by his daughter Claire ; Technical Director - Mike Coughlan ; Head of Aerodynamics - Jason Somerville
Car: Williams FW34

Caterham F1



Drivers: Heikki Kovalainen , Vitaly Petrov
Team Profile: Team Principal - Tony Fernandes ; Technical Director - Mike Gascoyne; Head of Aerodymanics - John Iley
Car: Caterham CT01

Marussia F1



Drivers: Timo Glock , Charles Pic
Team Profile: Team Principal - John Booth ; Technical Director - Pat Symmonds
Car: Virgin MVR-02

HRT F1



Drivers: Pedro De La Rosa , Narain Karthikeyan
Team Profile: Team Principal - Luis Pérez-Sala ; Technical Director -
Car: HRT F112


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Re: Formula 1 Season 2012

Post by JespSwe on Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:50 am

Australian GP - Melbourne Albert Park Qualy results : March 17th

Grid Lineup for today race : March 18th

1. Hamilton 2. Button 3. Grosjean 4. Schumacher 5. Webber 6. Vettel 7. Rosberg 8. Maldonado 9. Hulkenberg 10. Riccardo


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Re: Formula 1 Season 2012

Post by Forza on Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:13 am

Ferrari :facepalm:
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Post by TalkingReckless on Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:26 am

Mercedes is gonna do good this year.... they made alot of changes in their car...

not sure how well Red Bull will cope this year due to the changes

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Re: Formula 1 Season 2012

Post by JespSwe on Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:53 am

epic fail of the first opening gp is definitely ferrari. alonso qualified 12th and massa 16th!!! this is a disaster start for ferrari really and for loyal ferrari tifosi and the whole country who supports this team must be gutted by this result, i mean since preseason they had this big fundamental issues with the car actually, testing wasn't going well at all, they had tried everything they can during preseason making twigs and changes especially around exhaust, i think team is finding this car very complex to understand this car since this year under the new leadership of Pat Fry as newly promoted technical director *btw ferrari sacked Aldo costa last year during early season i will explain why; decided to take aggressive approach to design philosophy of this year car.

they just bowed to the pressure of italian media and went super-radical with their design philosophy, courtesy of Pat Fry who have history of hit and miss designing cars *mclaren for ex, and how the hell they manage to swing the axe on their longest serving technical director Aldo Costa both under all time genius Rory Bryne made race winning cars all years and independently himself had directed pretty competitive car if not winning car. Good for Mercedes we have costa now, Ferrari loss = Mercedes gain.

basically aldo costa who was one of the ferrari s longest serving technical director was axed last year in early part of the season because the 2011 season car wasnt competitive to challenge red bull and mclaren. and frankly i was damn surprised by this really. i had this appreciation and respect as a fan of formula 1 that even aldo costa was a TD from rival team he had designed pretty competitive car if not winning car, but yes he is known for being pretty conservative in his design philosophy and not innovative, he doesnt like to take risk with radical designs just incase that will fail, its gamble with time resources something he is not known for, i have read in various tech f1 forums that under rory bryne *who btw designed championship winning cars for both benetton and poached by ferrari alongside ross brawn, well when costa was working under byrne every radical approaches to design and decisions were consulted to higher position staffs like byrne and ross brawn so costa felt comfortable with his position and ever since bryne retired costa took conservative approach in his designs. all of his designed cars bar 2009 season, were all competitive enough to win races, if not winning car. but ferrari got fed up with being conservative, especially everyone media, fans, even amongst inside the team *according to my knowledge ... incl. domenicali and tombazis who at the time under costa was head of aerodymanics and chief designer of the car, ... well costa was basically branded to be conservative in his approach and not much leaving innovative or radical approach to design philosophy ... before beginning of 2011 ... both off the season during designing phase of the times, or during unveiling ferrari CEO luca montezemolo had said he wants to see ferrari competiting right from the start to win, and not playing catch ups anymore to red bull or mclaren. that didnt happen so, lots of accusation fell to Aldo Costa.

at the same time during the mid season of 2010, Pat Fry was hired from Mclaren to work under Aldo Costa as assistant TD. so in early season of 2011, since after few races ferrari acknowledged they were far away from red bull and mclaren in terms of performance especially in aero department, and oh btw during early 2011, the correlation didnt match in the track to what team had observed in the windtunnel and there were reports with faulty windtunnel issues and i think even ferrari were using toyota facility. anyway so thats the case, aldo was basically accused and pat fry was promoted to TD, during early season. i think aldo was asked to take other positions within the team but read in some interview he wasnt interested.

so he left ferrari on gardening leave mid season, Pat Fry took over, and also since car wasnt performing much during in season development which is crucial to catching mclaren or red bull, they had brought this big aero updates in spa i think but it didnt work so they halted the entire operation for that car of 2011 and switched focus for 2012. and during interview as well since pat took over , and nicolas tombazis was another big name to work on 2012 car with pat fry ... 3. guys .. domenicali pat fry and tombazis had promised they will have radical car, and try to take aggressive design philosophy. actually i had this feeling that since they switched focus already for 2012 by Spa races which was i dont know August?? of 2011?? i have to check calendar ...

i thought ... ferrari might be very dangerous speedy winning car right from beginning.


btw.. aldo costa joined mercedes after ironically ross brawn asked him if he was intersted to work for silver arrows team. aldo says he was pretty happy that he talked to ross brawn and bob bell *btw bob bell was also released by renault, pretty much a bit of a same story with aldo, for some poor results for renault now lotus team with james allison who is now head of the team.
so aldo talked with brawn and bell and he says he got his enthusiasm back and additionally he says he is so happy to work under schumacher so... yes
as a fan of mercedes im so f... kin happy.

so now aldo costa works for mercedes started his job as engineering director from december, though aldo costa doesnt have much input to new 2012 mercedes car, im pretty sure aldo costa will bring wealth of knowledge ... this guy has always always made some winning and competitve cars both under rory bryne who won like so many champioship for ferrari and schumacher, independently he got raikkonen his champioonship and almost for massa. bar 2009.... he made bad car



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Re: Formula 1 Season 2012

Post by JespSwe on Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:56 am

Forza Rossoneri wrote:Ferrari :facepalm:

pretty radical and aggresive rear / exhaust area... seems they are suffering much there... yesterday was just unbelieveable... both massa and alonso was fight car to make it stable...

seems its sufffffering massively with mechanical grip as well u know alonso was fighting really .. to keep it stable he spun almost few times.. really really poor traction... no rear grip...

and in pre season ... that car was eating tires!!! tires didnt last for long.. it was crazy...


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Post by JespSwe on Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:06 am

imalegend wrote:Mercedes is gonna do good this year.... they made alot of changes in their car...

not sure how well Red Bull will cope this year due to the changes

yep...

mostly last year they had pretty poor car by any standard.. bizzare actually since the beginning u know...

... - short wheelbase, poor weight distribution, i thought they had learned from mistake of 2010 with their same fundamental mistake how the hell they manage to repeat same fundamental mistake again is beyond belief u know.

and since if the car is born bad, no mater what u try to bring in season updates developments ... it simply doesnt work...

and since chassis is homologated, u cant change core of the car means u have to live whole season with bad car

poor car really poor car last year, apart from tthose short wheelbase leading to poor weight distribution ... there were like heating issues with chassis, and gills everywhere...

and to copy red bull ... so called blown diffuser which is worth about 1- 1.5 sec a lap, man mercedes i think they really failed to understand in compete how the concept the package works so they didnt manage to get max out of the car.

anyway poor reliability poor design it was terrible.

thank god bob bell joined in 2011 early part of the season i think he started to work for the team in april that means he wasnt responsible for that poor car of 2011. mercedes switched focus for this year car in mid july, because they knew 2010 car was really poor and isnt worth wasting time and resources for that car and instead should prepare for 2012.

hence now car is good, Mercedes AMG W03 is under the leadership of bob bell. actually funny because mercedes didnt even have technical director ...

ross was looking both race and factory work all together and he himself was finding hard. plus post honda-brawn gp they had lost in excess of 200 staff ... just 400 staff in the team. so it was disogranized team for a big team like mercedes.

so now they have just started recruiting people..

mercedes has some clever ideas... in this new car... in the rear wing, i will write about this later lol im tired of writing post atm hehehehe
anyway

so aldo costa joined the team, bob bell is doing pretty good, geoff willis i know this guy as a fan of bar racing f1 since long long time ... he had worked for bar racing... under pretty low budget team that time, he had really made some awesome podium winning cars, he worked for red bull, HRT ... joining mercedes is like coming home for him... because he knows staff well the factory even the wind tunnel very well, having working as head of aerodynamics previously in mercedes .

mercedes is good... but i still think they have lots and lots of work to do in aero department, really... they still lack that downforce compared to red bull and mclaren atm...

good thing is that this new rear wing f-duct innovation is helping them atm for straight line speed but they still lack aero performance.
bad thing is that its so visible, everyone can copy easily.. i mean if they use their time and resources.. rivals can get it within 3-4 races


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Post by JespSwe on Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:17 am

red bull performance atm is just a small blip ... they had made last minute surprise bringing major updates in last time barca pre season test, with exhaust concept similar to mclaren and sauber..

actually i reallly love the lastest red bull rear floor/exhaust layout... so f... king innovative, and creative they have this awesome looking tweaks.. to this way of channeling airflow from body/ channeling to different ways in modified design structure, and exhausts all this airflow working in harmony for better downforce...



really red bull will be back.. after all they have the best genius designer adrian newey fans dont have to worry much lol its just the team is trying make new updates work atm.. i think it will be fine by malaysia race by next race if not this.

latest exhaust layout of red bull ... pretty much resembling sauber/mclaren... and exhaust layout much further from rear...
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first version of new 2012 RB8 car ... had exhaust layout just under the wishbone of rear suspension...



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Peter Sauber has admitted his Swiss team is flattered after Red Bull apparently copied the C31′s exhaust layout ahead of the 2012 season. Red Bull ran at the initial Jerez and Barcelona tests – and then the two opening days of the final Barcelona test – with its own solution in the wake of the FIA’s blown exhaust clampdown.

“We had a nice surprise on the penultimate day (of winter testing),” Sauber team boss Peter Sauber wrote in his column for Sonntagsblick newspaper. “Red Bull announced their plans to use a heavily modified car, as it will race in Melbourne.

“Compared to their first version it had a completely different rear, which differs significantly from most cars – but not ours. The Red Bull and our C31 have a very similar concept, concerning the management of the airflow at the rear.

“For our engineers, it was an extra confirmation that they have chosen the right development direction. They are convinced that this concept has the potential for further development.”

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Post by JespSwe on Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:35 am

imalegend wrote:Mercedes is gonna do good this year.... they made alot of changes in their car...

not sure how well Red Bull will cope this year due to the changes

red bull lost awful lot from exhaust blown diffuser ban ... probably around 1-1.5 second worth of performance per lap... but they still look good man, during preseason, their race pace look very good, the car is very easy on tires, and renault engineers just revealed that red bull team and them have some pretty good ideas with the innovation around exhausts....

yesterday besides vettel made a bit of a mistake in his qualy i thought he would have notched atleast 3rd..

btw actually nico rosberg would have qualified in front grid... he made terrible mistake in qualy in first and final sector... he might lost atleast 0.3.

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Re: Formula 1 Season 2012

Post by The Madrid One on Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:43 am

thats my boy...jenson

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Post by JespSwe on Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:58 am

magnificent drive by jenson in the first corner and leading all the way. lewis was good but was very unlucky with safety car because vettel got advantage of it. red bull is a match to mclaren race pace neck to neck. webber had poor start to the race, both vettel and webber being overtaken by rosberg. but eventually the race pace played a great hand for them.

biggest surprise, ferrari alonso obviously since he qualified 12th means he started with harder compound of fresh tires with long stint and with pretty good overtakes from start he was already 8th at first lap. good race pace as well. massa was a disaster overtaken by all midfield teams, eventually contact with bruno senna ended his race.

biggest fail was mercedes.... how ... how in hell i actually gobsmacked and being so f... kin decieved by qualifying pace, and race pace of preseason testing.

michael schumacher starting from 4th overtook grosjean, and nico had awesome start to the race overtaking vettel, webber, grosjean in the process with mercedes running 3rd and 4th but my god the race pace was so poor and car couldnt bring the best out of tires.... jeez absoluteley gobsmacked...

i have been saying this but they really really are way way behind the others, in terms of aero performance, the downforce...

williams, sauber, ferrari ... even torro rosso had better race pace than mercedes. jeez if these things are to come, i would be gobsmacked..

biggest surprise was williams, they seems to have managed to bring very consistent race peformance.

and lotus f1 were very unfortunate, they have very good race pace, car is way better than mercedes they will challenge ferrari for 3rd spot in championship...


really shellshocked atm with mercedes.... schumacher DNF with gearbox problem, Nico rosberg with slowing down probably some kind of last minute mechanical fail probably... have to find out in post race...

great race......

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Post by The Madrid One on Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:33 pm

dissapointed with the fact that mercedes gp hasnt been able to deliver in any way in two years and this doesnt look any better for them.

Lotus were indeed unlucky about the fact that grosjean had the accident, and raikkonen's steering wheel was not helping him either in the qualifying.

i am glad that button won the race, i dont dislike anyone from redbull,mclaren,ferrari, mercedes, not anyone, but i do want to see vettel lose this one, i want to seem someone else win it or for it to atleast be a hell of a season.

Alonso and raikkonen are my favorite drivers.., jepswe what do you think will happen this season for raikkonen? i heard some people say that he said to media that he doesnt feel too confident when his car isnt upto par to his desires... do you think he will have a good season?

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Post by JespSwe on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:34 pm

@The Madrid One wrote:dissapointed with the fact that mercedes gp hasnt been able to deliver in any way in two years and this doesnt look any better for them.

Lotus were indeed unlucky about the fact that grosjean had the accident, and raikkonen's steering wheel was not helping him either in the qualifying.

i am glad that button won the race, i dont dislike anyone from redbull,mclaren,ferrari, mercedes, not anyone, but i do want to see vettel lose this one, i want to seem someone else win it or for it to atleast be a hell of a season.

Alonso and raikkonen are my favorite drivers.., jepswe what do you think will happen this season for raikkonen? i heard some people say that he said to media that he doesnt feel too confident when his car isnt upto par to his desires... do you think he will have a good season?


i think mercedes have lots of work to do, they have big problems in understanding tyres wear rate, and seems didnt understand how to bring best out of tires in race pace. there was some problems in preseason with tyres degradation but both drivers and team said it was not much to worry.

maybe in melbourne race they have different setups. it depends upon race setup-balance, drivers driving style, ambient temp track condition, cornering stiffness vs. load. but as we can see other teams have done lot more better job means mercedes need to study data more, they really need people who can analyse understand and solve race/tires wearing rate more seems they havent done their homework, and that goes since last year car. also, another important aspects obviously is downforce to go easy on tires., and that was evident from preseason/practice/qualy session.

if i have time i will go to ask some of guys from tech forums what they think on this guy loic bigois who is head of aerodymanics with mercedes for ages now and apart from Double diffuser, as a fan i kinda feel he has been really poor actually disaster. his track results at williams f1 was poor as well. so if mercedes have now 3 years of working in car that primarily is so poor in aerodynamics ... why keep him.. as head of aerodynamics, i dont think he has done much or like brought anything big differencing performance to aero department, i mean 3 bloody years now.


i have a feeling though madrid one... mercedes will be back.... now geoff willis is with the team, and aldo costa, they have joined very late in the team... geoff in august, aldo from december ... so obviously their input to this car is very low that means they are not responsible for poor results, but obviously they can help and will help a lot in , in season development, with car/chassis/mechanical and aero updates ... first race so i m willing to have some patience with mercedes until june. car is still good u know dont get me wrong...
btw geoff willis is a technology director of mercedes now, and he was former aerodymamicist in this team when it was under reign of different owner *bar racing .... under the leadership of david richards who is CEO of Aston Martin Prodrive racing, under really low budget they managed to make podium winning cars consistently so im pinning my hopes that during this season geoff can give a big helping hand and ofcourse aldo costa was a huge figure in ferrari making championship winning cars, so he will bring wealth of experience. though like i said, this car is born under the leadership of bob bell, who i rate high as well so since like i said geoff and aldo joined late they will have no input what so ever means they dont know the characteristics of car, surely they will know from bob and help in development upgrades. i will have my patience with merc for couple of races.


the car is good, long wheelbase now means good weight distribution has good low centre of gravity, other features i will write more about them in new post.

anyway,

for raikkonen my friend... seeing his preseason testing and also session in practice .... he is still good. problems was as u said, he had problems with power steering not exactly feeling to his liking to get more of his precise driving style, so actually during practice they had to change couple of times, it will take just few races until they get that balance im sure they will be fine. btw lotus car looks way better, race pace/ qualy pace is just really good actually , mercedes needs to be worried because lotus team is better and has car ability to keep pace with likes of ferrari red bull.... thanks to james allison who is one of my favourite engineer .. TD... i rate him pretty high.

for alonso, i was surprised, they maybe worked really hard on race setup, and some changes in car during the evening in practice, they are not allowed to change after qualy, park ferme rule. engineers seems to have worked hefty on best they could do. alonso race pace was pretty consistent, plus as alonso qualified 12th he had chance to start race with hard compound *fresh tyres unlike top 10 cars who have to race with tyres that were already used in qualifying, unless team decides to not go out for run in final session of top 10 qualy shootout ...... which was the choice ahead of option tires for alonso, means he could race for longer stint with hard fresh tires with just 1 stop strategy, and his tyre consistency was really good.

unfortunately for u, vettel will be competing for title, his race pace was so good was neck to neck with mclaren pace, webber as well. they just had blip in qualy, and dont forget, red bull had troubles making that final preseason exhaust upgrade work properly, so by malaysia i reckon they will be challenging mclaren for front grid. red bull is on neck to neck with mclaren, even though jenson and lewis got away with 1-3 finish.
after all they have adrian newey ... guy is genius... he knows everything that makes car faster than the fastest car in the grid.


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Re: Formula 1 Season 2012

Post by pUsHa on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:47 pm

Alonso is the only person in the whole damn world who can save Ferrari's face at least a little ... I'm at a loss of words ...
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Post by JespSwe on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:51 pm

@pUsHa wrote:Alonso is the only person in the whole damn world who can save Ferrari's face at least a little ... I'm at a loss of words ...

yah man alonso doesnt need winning cars to win, he just needs a competitive one to challenge anyone... thats what its great about this guy.

welll for ferrari i dont want to blame much,. radical design under new leadership of pat fry means they are on new route so it takes time to understand the new car, so .. yeah... i think they will be fine by 3-4 races ... i would be surprised if they wont solve problems by then. dont worry man they will be fine. they will be competitive.. after all they have i think more workforce than any teams in paddock, best facilities in maranello, and one of the best brains behind working for them. after all ferrari is a f1 brand, they will be back.

im not ferrari fan but yeah they will be fine.

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Post by the xcx on Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:40 pm

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Post by pUsHa on Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:11 pm

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@pUsHa wrote:Alonso is the only person in the whole damn world who can save Ferrari's face at least a little ... I'm at a loss of words ...

yah man alonso doesnt need winning cars to win, he just needs a competitive one to challenge anyone... thats what its great about this guy.

welll for ferrari i dont want to blame much,. radical design under new leadership of pat fry means they are on new route so it takes time to understand the new car, so .. yeah... i think they will be fine by 3-4 races ... i would be surprised if they wont solve problems by then. dont worry man they will be fine. they will be competitive.. after all they have i think more workforce than any teams in paddock, best facilities in maranello, and one of the best brains behind working for them. after all ferrari is a f1 brand, they will be back.

im not ferrari fan but yeah they will be fine.

They will still screw it up ... just like they did 2 years ago in that last race . Domenicali is retarded ... Ferrari looks like a team that lost all of it's ability to make a plan in the race ... they always end up behind after pit-stops ...and the car sucks . They have all the money in the world to make a good car but they still fail ... no Brawn means Ferrari end up DOWN-town ...
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Post by JespSwe on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:36 pm

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@JespSwe wrote:
@pUsHa wrote:Alonso is the only person in the whole damn world who can save Ferrari's face at least a little ... I'm at a loss of words ...

yah man alonso doesnt need winning cars to win, he just needs a competitive one to challenge anyone... thats what its great about this guy.

welll for ferrari i dont want to blame much,. radical design under new leadership of pat fry means they are on new route so it takes time to understand the new car, so .. yeah... i think they will be fine by 3-4 races ... i would be surprised if they wont solve problems by then. dont worry man they will be fine. they will be competitive.. after all they have i think more workforce than any teams in paddock, best facilities in maranello, and one of the best brains behind working for them. after all ferrari is a f1 brand, they will be back.

im not ferrari fan but yeah they will be fine.

They will still screw it up ... just like they did 2 years ago in that last race . Domenicali is retarded ... Ferrari looks like a team that lost all of it's ability to make a plan in the race ... they always end up behind after pit-stops ...and the car sucks . They have all the money in the world to make a good car but they still fail ... no Brawn means Ferrari end up DOWN-town ...

well this year Ferrari took a new route under the leadership of Pat Fry and Nicolas Tombazis taking more important role in car design than previous years being head of aerodynamics. so well i think it just takes time maybe for a new organized staff to gel together. they wanted to build a car they feel they can extract more potential from especially aerodynamics, last year under aldo ferrari obviously felt they were derpived for in season development in aero areas, and couldnt exploit maximum potential out of conservative car. now they have complex car means they can try different things, so i dont know man..
lets see how Pat fry does... he obviously has more bigger and important role he ever got involved in any teams now so ... well i dont know... lets see until half a season goes.

i highly rate guy like tombazis... they just are finding difficulties but they have some important changes and updates coming so well lets see. ferrari season would be failure though if they dont start getting this current problem fixed by early european races because not only mclaren and red bull will run away with healthy points, this year the gap is so closed that even small teams are doing impressive job in closing in against big teams.

welll domenicali.. he is not tech guy but well he is responsible for entire racing operation means he is responsible to scrutinize find and solve every issues in any department, any sort of weakness and have right leadership. he inherited that big responsible from someone like Todt so its not easy ... i wonder who they will bring if domenicali gets fired. lol
its strange but should ross brawn becomes sucessful at mercedes or he will be released sooner, then i wont be surprised if ross goes back to ferrari
but ross said something like after mercedes he may retire...

but thats ross lol he is so passionate abour racing it wont be easy for him to leave.

anyway pusha.. lets give these guys some break sometime....

its strange for us cause we fans might think ok brazil race done so seasons over.. but for these guys season already has begun because whoever works hard most during off season... thats actually the most busiest moment for all the teams, they will have good car for next season ... man these workers in formula 1 works crazy hours... they barely have holidays...

so lets see...just the first race

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Post by Forza on Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:22 pm

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Post by EarlyPrototype on Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:51 pm

Just watched the last race. That was a fantastic and entertaining race.
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Post by EarlyPrototype on Sat May 26, 2012 10:29 am

Monaco qualifying today........

Hamilton for pole!
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Post by Vibe on Sat May 26, 2012 11:19 am

Massa finally :bow: Hopefully he'll show up for the quali and race as well...
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Post by EarlyPrototype on Sat May 26, 2012 11:29 am

@Vibe wrote:Massa finally :bow: Hopefully he'll show up for the quali and race as well...

Vibe watches F1. :bow:

Massa your fav?
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Post by Kingofeverythingclassy on Sat May 26, 2012 11:30 am

What a crap season this is becoming. 5 different winners from 5 teams so realistically 5 other guys can win. Add 2 Lotus guys and Sauber who were probably the quickest in Malayasia.

So 14 guys can win races??? This is getting stupid. Its all rubbish Tyre lottery. Pirelli is trash. My favourite was obviously Michellin followed by Bridgestones.

Now they talk of Qualifying tyres to take the focus from rubbish tyres and marbles all over the place.

Ohh and this is the ATLEAST the second straight season where Mercedes have a DUD exhaust. If they cant even copy Mclaren's they will never have any similar amount of downforce.

Looking forward to Spa & Monza,my two favourite races.

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Post by Vibe on Sat May 26, 2012 11:34 am

@EarlyPrototype wrote:
@Vibe wrote:Massa finally :bow: Hopefully he'll show up for the quali and race as well...

Vibe watches F1. :bow:

Massa your fav?

No,Alonso Thumbs up Best driver in F1 IMO...
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