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Post by VivaStPauli on Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:47 am

We also still got the excellent Ginter, who is very mobile and disciplined.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:28 am

I just can't stand the sight of Löw anymore. really getting on my nerve the guy. since forever.
And to think Bierhoff is also around there somewhere still No

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Post by sportsczy on Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:48 am

I don't understand J-Low's team selections... absolutely baffling.

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Post by VivaStPauli on Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:24 am

When the lineup was shown before the match, my mates and me pretty much agreed in unison that Löw should've changed the lineup against Ghana:

They're very physical, so you need actual width to stretch them, hence convert back to 4-2-3-1, with Podolski and Müller backing up the fullbacks, who should've been actual fullbacks, like Lahm and Großkreutz/Durm (yeah I know Großkreutz isn't technically a fullback), and Klose or Schürrle, maybe even Podolski up front, someone more physical, who's able to outmuscle a bulky defender.

In the end, though, individual mistakes cost us more than tactics, Höwedes' flank was leaky throughout, Lahm had one of his worst games ever, and Mustafi could not, at all, replace Boateng.

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Post by sportsczy on Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:31 am

Lahm should be played at fullback. Khedira-Kroos-Lahm is ridiculous. And then you add the front line with no CF.

J-Low is trying too much to be like Pep when Pep's tactics were exposed for the world to see by Madrid. What's worse, Barca and Spain NT's tactics have been exposed too.

No reason for Germany to try so many gimmicks.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:39 am

@VivaStPauli wrote:When the lineup was shown before the match, my mates and me pretty much agreed in unison that Löw should've changed the lineup against Ghana:

They're very physical, so you need actual width to stretch them, hence convert back to 4-2-3-1, with Podolski and Müller backing up the fullbacks, who should've been actual fullbacks, like Lahm and Großkreutz/Durm (yeah I know Großkreutz isn't technically a fullback), and Klose or Schürrle, maybe even Podolski up front, someone more physical, who's able to outmuscle a bulky defender.

In the end, though, individual mistakes cost us more than tactics, Höwedes' flank was leaky throughout, Lahm had one of his worst games ever, and Mustafi could not, at all, replace Boateng.


Absolutely spot on.

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Post by Sri on Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:05 am

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@VivaStPauli wrote:When the lineup was shown before the match, my mates and me pretty much agreed in unison that Löw should've changed the lineup against Ghana:

They're very physical, so you need actual width to stretch them, hence convert back to 4-2-3-1, with Podolski and Müller backing up the fullbacks, who should've been actual fullbacks, like Lahm and Großkreutz/Durm (yeah I know Großkreutz isn't technically a fullback), and Klose or Schürrle, maybe even Podolski up front, someone more physical, who's able to outmuscle a bulky defender.

In the end, though, individual mistakes cost us more than tactics, Höwedes' flank was leaky throughout, Lahm had one of his worst games ever, and Mustafi could not, at all, replace Boateng.


Absolutely spot on.


Word. Absolutely lost it when I saw the line.

I hope the world stops sucking up to Pep Guardiola.
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Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:16 pm

I agree that Lahm was poor as a DM but who should play there instead? We know Schweinsteiger struggles when he plays as the deepest midfielder and Khedira isn't a defensive midfielder either. If we had Manni then yeah sure but he was not called up for some reason. Lahm seems like the best option.

I didn't like Khedira either last night so we have a real problem in midfield if Lahm/Khedira don't step up their game.
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Post by Robespierre on Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:29 pm

Lahm as DM Bayern-esque Laughing
I rate the Germany as the favorite for this WC but surely Low will try to bottle also this year Laughing
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Post by Adit on Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:31 pm

So it looks like almost all the midfield combinations arent working. Only thing left to try is probably Bastian-Khedira-Kroos.

Playing two defensive fullbacks was a mistake. Mustafi even though sucked defensively made some good overlapping runs which gave Ghana some trouble. Khedira was good in defensive positioning yet he destructed Germany's offensive game. He got into good position to receive the ball but ultimately his technique was too poor to contribute anything offensively.

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Post by Zizou on Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:35 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote: (...) and Klose or Schürrle, maybe even Podolski up front, someone more physical, who's able to outmuscle a bulky defender.

In the end, though, individual mistakes cost us more than tactics, Höwedes' flank was leaky throughout, Lahm had one of his worst games ever, and Mustafi could not, at all, replace Boateng.


I was stunned (not to say speechless/shocked) when I saw the line-up...
Okay.. I am not Bundestrainer and I probably have no clue - yet - common sense suggests what you just stated...

imo

I felt strangely idifferent during the entire first half...

very happy for Klose though - I really wish for him to end his career on a high note!

hope Jogi got the memo now!

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Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:54 pm

Looks like Khedira got injured aswell since he did not train with the rest of the team. Both him and Boateng could miss the game against USA.

I don't think Löw will make too many changes, Basti in Khedira's place, Schürrle in Götze's place, maybe Höwedes RB and Durm LB.

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Post by rwo power on Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:54 pm

@urbaNRoots wrote: If we had Manni then yeah sure but he was not called up for some reason.
He still struggled with a niggling injury.

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Post by VivaStPauli on Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:48 pm

Boateng and Khedira are fit to play, and Löw said already he'll play Lahm in defensive midfield again. I can't really type that sentence without emitting a very, very audible sigh.

Luckily the USA aren't Ghana, are exhausted as balls, and had a day less to rest, but Löw needs to stop this crap.
Admittedly, against the US, the four CBs might actually work, we don't really need to provide width from fullbacks against them.

But we need to be solid in the middle of the park, and Lahm has been okay'ish against Portugal and abysmal against Ghana, while I've never seen a bad match at RB from him.

Frankly, my main concern at the moment is that I want Löw to reintroduce Schweinsteiger. The man should be our captain anyway, he's utterly German. Never admits defeat, has a juicy past of hideous styles as a young player, is f*ck ugly, and not afraid to knee someone in the balls if that's what it takes.

Schweinsteiger's introduction against Ghana immediately gave our midfield the solidity it was so sorely missing before, and his passing vision gave us the width we lacked. Let him and Kroos alternate in the deep playmaking, maybe even keep the 4-3-3 with the three mobile attackers against the USA, who will be unable to defend against them.

But we need a solid midfield. Make it happen Löw.
Yeah, I know, he won't.
Löw and Guardiola are utter clowns, and I'm annoyed by their selfish need to heighten their importance by abandoning working tactical concepts.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:52 pm

viva, I second everything in that post, but please never use Pep and Löw in the same breath again.

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Post by dostoevsky on Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:15 am

@Hapless_Hans wrote:viva, I second everything in that post, but please never use Pep and Löw in the same breath again.


This, though I also object to calling Schweinsteiger ugly, the man is mint.
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Post by Sri on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:15 pm

I actually like Löw. More than Pep. Or to rephrase, I have more reasons to hate Pep. That it makes Löw tolerable.

(Had to break them sentences into four, to avoid putting both names in the same sentence/breath Razz )
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Post by Footyfan on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:24 pm

Low is an idiot. 4 CB's, 3 Slow Holding Mid-fielders, 2 CAM at the wings one of which is Ozil.

Pep is nowhere this idiotic. Pep is a visionary and a fantastic coach. Problem is his over-obsession with Possession and his philosophy and tactics. Sometimes he has to adjust to the players, the opposition and be realistic.

Low is a downright idiot and Germany, although having the best team in the world, has no chance of winning the WC till this idiot is the coach

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Post by Helmer on Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:28 pm

I think we will see the same MF trio...if Löw wants a change, max he will go for Schweini instead of Khedira.
Löw "If Lahm plays, he will as a DM otherwise he wont play". Löw wont change much unless he find a tactical reason to chnage it.

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Post by Sri on Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:47 pm

@Footyfan wrote:Low is an idiot. 4 CB's, 3 Slow Holding Mid-fielders, 2 CAM at the wings one of which is Ozil.

Here, I agree.

@Footyfan wrote:Pep is nowhere this idiotic. Pep is a visionary and a fantastic coach. Problem is his over-obsession with Possession and his philosophy and tactics. Sometimes he has to adjust to the players, the opposition and be realistic.


Ok, this is where I have serious doubts about how serious you are in your post. I completely disagree.

I have my reasons to think this guy is overrated, and I do not wish to be drawn into an argument on this. It is like the 'Messi is the best player the world has ever seen' wankfest, just too many people who blindly overrate Guardiola and there can never possibly be an objective assessment of what he has accomplished and the means and collateral damages that have supported//accompanied that success. I really don't want to get into that over text exchanges on GL.


@Footyfan wrote:
Low is a downright idiot and Germany, although having the best team in the world, has no chance of winning the WC till this idiot is the coach


Although I don't say we have the best team in the world right now, we have a team which is good enough to challenge. Without some of them injuries, we could be really really top dogs in the tournament - esp. Reus.

I expect a typical brilliant performance till the QF or the SF (and that's stretching it already) before we bow out of the tornament. (Atleast we didn't get mauled like Spain, so that's some solace there already Very Happy )
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:50 am

Let's all laugh at: Germany

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Post by farfan on Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:54 am

muller embarassed the entire germanic population :facepalm:
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Post by futbol on Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:56 am

[Links to videos of Germany beating Argentina removed]


BC, pls. :coffee:

fss, what is this. power abuse. Sad


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Post by futbol on Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:57 am

Having said that. That freekick. :facepalm:

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Post by zigra on Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:58 am

They were awful and the fk was just a facepalm but as long as they progress I find it hard to laugh at them.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:03 am

Especially since this was the third straight time at this WC they did this ridiculous freekick routine with 3-4 players running past the ball as if you had just won Solitaire and the cards fly around.
Serves them right they'd slip into slapstick for doing that nonsense over and over again.

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