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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by teamanarchy on Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:02 am

@nj wrote:
@teamanarchy wrote:Canales/Garay/Drenthe/Gago story it may be...
But then again, what if he turns out to be a carbon copy of Ramos' developement.

I'm not saying it's the right move for him, and I'm certainly not saying Madrid is a great club to develope at. What I'm saying is that even though there are a million stories of failed developement at Real Madrid... every once in a blue moon there is a story of success...
Ramos
Higuain
Marcelo

And bear in mind, these developemental success are always the result of a coach who knows what he's doing, ala Capello.

Mourinho is a coach that knows what he's doing, he'a developed countless unkown talents into stars.
And as far as we know, Mourinho is backing this move.

in an important time like this for you guys, when you wants to beat Barca at all costs and win the CL after all those years,
do you really think that Mourinho will trust a 18yr old that had only 1year in Ligue 1, and who is still developping and doesnt even know what's his best position is between CB and DM?
Look, I don't know exactly what happens in Mourinho's mind, but I will give you a description on what I would guess goes on...
Mourinho is a coach who's ambitions lie not only in silverware, but in developement. He takes interest in his players as well...
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/marcelo-mourinho-father-figure-real-madrid-players-1383471

So, Mourinho like to rejuvinate players who are considered over-the-hill, and he loves to create stars out of young talents.
Take a look back from his porto days all the way through to his time now as coach of real madrid, he is responsible for the kick-start to superstardom for more players than I can remember. Let me list a few names here:
Paulo Fareirra
Deco
Carvalho
Helder Postiga
Nuno Valente
Essien
Drogba
Lampard
Terry
Muntari
Sneijder
Milito
Thiago Motta
Maicon
Lucio
Walter Samuel
Marcelo
Benzema
etc.
I mean, these are players who have been put on the map thanks to Mourinho, in some cases entirely.
So, I would assume that this 18 year-old is at least one of Mourinho's next "player developement projects"

Madrid already have 3 world class centre backs in the form of Pepe, Carvalho and Ramos. Not to mention, Garay and Albiol can be trusted to a very large extent.
So Raphael will develop in the wings, or maybe on loan back in France (very likely).
And who knows, maybe in the not so distant future, we'll be discussing how he made David Villa or Lionel Messi or whoever look invisible...

OR
He could become a waste of money and talent, and you will laugh in my face and show me the link to this post....

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:17 am

Yeah. As a french football fan, i'm really not happy about this. Even in Paris, he would've had to fight to start... but he had a good chance there. At Madrid, 100% bench. He's not even in the top 4 CBs in Madrid at this time.

Such a bad, bad decision on the surface. Maybe he'll just explode. But when you manage your career, you just cannot take such a big and unnecessary risk.

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Post by Guiltybystander on Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:21 am

If they loan him to a smaller club, I am very happy, he could potentially also play in Castilla...

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:24 am

Don't be ridiculous... Castilla?? That's just insane. He's a League 1 wunderkid that was slated to start for PSG and many other international clubs. Castilla is like 3rd division in comparison. It would be a total waste and, frankly, an insult.

A loan to a lower end team in La Liga or League 1 would be a step down for him too... but at least he'll face some good competition.

Just a bad decision for him, although i hope it works out.

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by teamanarchy on Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:26 am

Loaning him out is a very likely option.
I'd love to see him playing at, for example, Villareal... where he plays at a high-level of spanish football and gets some european experience as well, and at the same time is surrounded by experienced defenders.

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Guiltybystander on Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:29 am

Not full time Castilla, he should be switched between Castilla and the first team. Barcelona does the same (Thiago etc.) and RM should have done it with Canales.

Granted, Barcelona B is different than Castilla, but he could still develop in Castilla.

I'd prefer if he was loaned out, but it is a much better option than letting him rot on a bench for the next couple of years.

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:39 am

Dude.. he was a star CB in League 1 the second half of last year. I only rated Sakho and Rami as better in terms of french players. Even Barcelona B would be a slap in the face for him.

He's a top league player now. Thiago and the other guys are just raw talents... completely unproven. Varane has proven he belongs. He just needs to keep developing as he is not Madrid quality yet.

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Post by Guiltybystander on Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:43 am

I agree with you - I never said Castilla is the best option, I PREFER him to be loaned out if he has to come to Madrid anyway (we'd better just give him some years to develop at another club anyway), but if he isn't loaned out, we should at least give him time at Castilla, not make him another Canales or Pedro Leon etc. who doesn't play at all.

That way he is bound to become one of those young players who seems like a great promise, and probably would have been if they had time to come to fruition at a top-team in a lesser competition (France, Portugal, Netherlands) instead, but then end up at some lower league team in Spain or England or something. Such a waste.

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:46 am

Yeah. I agree. I just hope this doesn't play out like it usually does with Madrid.

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by hrealmadrid on Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:19 pm

Great signing of course, but what's more important is the aftermath. Hope he gets loaned out and doesn't spend a season on the bench.
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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:34 pm

Guys chill, very unlikely he stays

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:36 pm

With the eminent sale of Lass, the signing of Varane seems alot more clear, he can fill in those minutes fine.

People forget he is as good in front of the defence line as he is at CB.

Because of his tactical awareness even at a young age and versatility he will get alot more playing time than most people will think.

Seeing if and when Lass leaves, our only true DM destroyers would be Pepe and Varane. Xabi is a DM but plays in a different manner, much like Gago. Khedira and Sahin are B2B players.

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:40 pm

he is 18, he is not even a bx to box, he is not yet ready to start for real, even mentally it's gonna be a crushing effort.

I expect him to go back in France after the summer tour

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by guest7 on Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:47 pm

http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/222/transfer-zone/2011/06/22/2543098/lens-confirm-talks-with-real-madrid-for-raphael-varane

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:50 pm

"Some believe that Raphael will not play there. I can tell you he will not go to Real Madrid to repaint the changing rooms! Raphael is intelligent, everybody knows it. I want to emphasise the speaker was exceptional, in this case Zinedine Zidane."


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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:59 pm

Is that from his dad?

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by guest7 on Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:02 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Is that from his dad?

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Doc on Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:17 pm

Lol @ repaint the changing rooms. So to the men (Nick, The Frenchman, Crims) who have seen him more than just a "few games", how long would you think he'll break into the 1st team if:

He signs
He doesn't get loaned out

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:21 pm

@Doc wrote:Lol @ repaint the changing rooms. So to the men (Nick, The Frenchman, Crims) who have seen him more than just a "few games", how long would you think he'll break into the 1st team if:

He signs
He doesn't get loaned out

???

If hes willing to play destroyer he will get minutes no matter what, at the end of games or when the need arises.

As for becoming a permanent starter its hard to say. I feel he is better than Albiol and Garay. If Coentrao does not end up coming and Ramos continues on the right then he will understudy Carvalho and I do not think it would take him very long to impose himself at all.


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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by hrealmadrid on Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:24 pm

Why does the thread title say official? This is by no means official and he has not signed yet. It might be inevitable but it's not official.


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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Onyx on Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:24 pm

Hopefully he stays in France for a while. We don't really have any room for him at the moment.

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:28 pm

IF Coentrao comes, never. He will not displace Pepe or Ramos in the next 2 years and will ask for a transfer.

He's not technically good enough to play as a DM for any top team, let alone Madrid. He's fine in terms of the defensive assignment... but is very raw in terms of the passing and link up required of a DM mid. Pepe is better than him as an emergency DM.

By the way, the only time we play a DM position is in the 4-3-3. In the the 4-2-3-1, both midfielders are asked to go b2b, which is why Lass struggled... and Lass is miles ahead of Varane technically.

We'll see. I think it's a bench warming situation unless he makes drastic progress or Coentrao doesn't get signed.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:30 pm

If we loan him for the next two seasons, it's a good thing imo.

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by the xcx on Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:34 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:If we loan him for the next two seasons, it's a good thing imo.
I agree, looking forward to this kid.
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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by guest7 on Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:40 pm

Maybe he is our replacement to Lass and Coentrao is still our RB target?

He could play between DM and CB.

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Re: Raphael Varane

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:47 pm

omarish wrote:Maybe he is our replacement to Lass and Coentrao is still our RB target?

He could play between DM and CB.

You want a kid with little experience to play DM when he is much less technically gifted than both Lass or Pepe? That would be nuts. If we are going to play a CB as a DM, we should just push Pepe forward. Varane needs to concentrate on becoming a Madrid CB... that's his future.

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