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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by Gil on Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:41 am

He's as average as Ba, Defoe or Hernandez. Deal with it.

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Post by Lex on Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:50 am

Has more league goals than Torres this season :coffee:

Deal with it

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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by CBarca on Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:54 am

Nobody is saying that he should not score against scrubs or anything. With a team like Arsenal, you guys definitely need someone to score vs scrubs, and it's good that Giroud can fill that role Laughing

Moal (and others) are just saying that he hasn't scored a whole lot vs top teams, and that's something he needs to fix.

Even of those top teams he's scored against:

Schalke, Montpellier, Tottenham and Newcastle

Montpellier aren't exactly the greatest team really, but decent. Fair enough. Schalke- a good team. Nice. Tottenham- we were playing with 10 men. Newcastle are actually sunday league team if I'm not mistaken, and he scored when the game was pretty much done with, as moal pointed out.

I personally think he's done decently, but he still needs improvement and he needs to start scoring against the best. That should have started last week vs Man City and he missed a golden chance. Meh.

I'm speaking a bit for moal here so I apologize to him, I'm just trying to pick up where he left off here as I agree with him.
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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by Lex on Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:00 am

It's his first season in a new squad, surrounded by trash like Santos, Squillaci and Chamakh, as well as a bunch of mental midgets, so I can forgive him for not scoring in EVERY game against the juggernauts of the league

Again, I'm just pointing out, that, 3 months ago, when he wasn't scoring at all, people were writing him off as a pointless buy and that he'll be a flop, which couldn't be further from the truth

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Post by CBarca on Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:21 am

Fair enough, I think you see my point.

For the record, I wasn't one of those people Razz
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Post by Red Alert on Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:57 am

@Lex wrote:It's his first season in a new squad, surrounded by trash like Santos, Squillaci and Chamakh, as well as a bunch of mental midgets, so I can forgive him for not scoring in EVERY game against the juggernauts of the league

Again, I'm just pointing out, that, 3 months ago, when he wasn't scoring at all, people were writing him off as a pointless buy and that he'll be a flop, which couldn't be further from the truth

How many games has he played with Santos, Squillaci and Chamakh?
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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by urbaNRoots on Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:05 am

He's done very well so far... still think we need one more striker as we can't continue with one striker for the rest of the season - if he gets injured we're pretty much screwed.
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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by RealGunner on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:08 pm

Finally showing his Montpellier form. Good to see that. He is a complete striker, just took a bit too long to settle in.

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Post by Onyx on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:09 pm

Complete striker. hmm

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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by RealGunner on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:10 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Giroud's PL record: Played 22 and scored in 5 of of those 22 games....

5 ! with the 4 teams being West Ham, Tottenham, Fulham and Newcastle.....

Just pointed out that his stats are nowhere near as impressive as they seem.

So he's scored against 4 different teams and we are in January which have combined for 8 goals.

Nothing to brag about really.

Oh and yes we have been playing like sunday league scrubs this season lol.

PL Games started 13
Substitute appearances 9 with many of them being 10 mins cameo
Goals 8

How is that bad ?
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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:13 pm

I never said it was bad i just said it wasn't bump worthy :coffee:

Anyway me and Lex have settled our dispute and are now argueing over Walcott..

Keep up RG Mad

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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by donttreadonred on Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:24 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I never said it was bad i just said it wasn't bump worthy :coffee:

Anyway me and Lex have settled our dispute and are now argueing over Walcott..

Keep up RG Mad
Walcott is good, but I think Arsenal may still be paying for potential. I'm not sure he's worthy of 100 k a week if that reported figure is indeed true.

As for Giroud, he's certainly not a flop. He is getting into the correct positions and scoring goals. I believe he's on 13 for all competitions with Arsenal. The more accurate criticism of Giroud might be to say he's not the striker Arsenal need. At the very least, he doesn't appear to be the striker Arsenal want.

I always thought he was an interesting choice for Wenger due to his style as a bit more of a poacher #9. I don't think anyone here would argue that Giroud is a stylistic replacement for Robin Van Persie. RVP was dropping deep, directing the attacking play, and still getting on the end of almost all of Arsenal's chances. He was a COMPLETE forward in every sense of the word. Giroud very much is not. He's far more likely to hold-up play, lurk in the box, and just try to be in the right place at the right time. That’s not necessarily a slight against him. It’s merely a stylistic difference. The problem comes in how Arsenal play around him.

In the beginning of the season, Arsenal seemed to want to push the ball forward to Giroud and wait for him to create a chance that the team could then build upon. This tactic worked very well with a complete forward or a creative forward. However, with a poacher the chances need to be created by the players around him either by movement, crosses, forced saves, etc. They appear to be adjusting to that now with Podolski and Walcott antagonizing defenders, allowing Grioud a little more freedom and less buildup responsibilities.

There’s hope for Giroud at Arsenal. I think his struggles in the final third were down to adjustment to a new league and the team not yet adapting to a forced tactical shift. I’m still not convinced that this tactical change was intended when Giroud was bought, or if it was a forced outcome of RVP’s departure. If the rumors of Arsenal’s interest in Jovetic are true, it might suggest that Giroud was only ever a stopgap/plan B buy. Then again, buying a striker like Jovetic, or someone else who is a more “complete” forward, would mean Wenger getting out the check book. .. Does anyone want to put odds on the likelihood of that happening?

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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by RealGunner on Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:58 pm

Well said DTOR Thumbs up
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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by Lex on Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:44 am

:coffee:

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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by VendettaRed07 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:08 am

@RealGunner wrote:Finally showing his Montpellier form. Good to see that. He is a complete striker, just took a bit too long to settle in.

seems like Wenger was spot on when he said "Itll take Giroud 6 months to settle in" Surprised

He's been playing really well... But my problem though with Giroud still is that he lacks confidence with his feet. Hes SO confident with he head though, he never afraid to try and pound one in with his head at any chance he gets and is almost always accurate/on target with it. But when the ball comes to his feet it seems like he hesitates and chokes infront of goal far too often. He needs to be able to be fed the ball and just tap it in. Take a chill pill and trust his foot.

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Post by Swanhends on Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:29 am

"giroud will score 15 league goals" - bhends in august

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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by danyjr on Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:38 am

Overrated junk.

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Post by VendettaRed07 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:45 am

@danyjr wrote:Overrated junk.

I don't think anyone is overrating how good he is or making him out to be something more than he is. Generally the consensus is that he is a good player with some conflicting issues on what his strengths are and what arsenals style of play is.

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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by danyjr on Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:53 am

Truth is I rate Arsenal top 15 teams in the world but I don't rate Giroud in the top 40 strikers in the world. Shouldn't a team like Arsenal be looking for a much better striker?

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Post by aleumdance on Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:06 am

@danyjr wrote:Truth is I rate Arsenal top 15 teams in the world but I don't rate Giroud in the top 40 strikers in the world. Shouldn't a team like Arsenal be looking for a much better striker?

sadly, i wish many arsenal fans think like you, but we are blinded by mediocrity, that we limit ourselves every year to the point that we now look and think like a midtable trash...

i am so fvcking pissed at the whole squad right now and more at that french twat wenger, our games seem to have an annoying pattern tádd that to shitplayers

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Post by VendettaRed07 on Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:56 am

@danyjr wrote:Truth is I rate Arsenal top 15 teams in the world but I don't rate Giroud in the top 40 strikers in the world. Shouldn't a team like Arsenal be looking for a much better striker?
Yes. I think he is more than good enough to be a squad player for us and offers something different from our usual striker. But yes, He is overachieving imo being our first choice striker.

But right now he isn't the problem. He's playing well and if our defense wasnt so atrocious he and the rest of the attack would be getting the job done.

We need to think about upgrading at Lb, rb, cb, dm and even gk before we worry about giroud

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Post by urbaNRoots on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:31 am

@aleumdance wrote:french twat wenger

Are you fking kidding me? :facepalm:
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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by Lex on Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:03 pm

Name your 40 strikers, danyjr, because I'm genuinely intrigued

Bet trash like Balotelli and Dzeko are included Laughing

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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by VivaStPauli on Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:56 pm

His finishing wasn't all that impressive yesterday, though, Podolski alone set him up for 3 absolute sitters, and he missed all of them.

But he's not bad by any rate, especially considering how rare decent strikers are these days, I still think Giroud was an excellent buy.

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Post by sportsczy on Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:09 pm

Giroud is just starting to get his confidence going... the more confident he gets, the more clinical he'll become.

He works extremely hard and makes all the runs. He took the very difficult route into Ligue 1... he won't take anything for granted methinks.

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Re: Olivier Giroud

Post by danyjr on Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:01 pm

@Lex wrote:Name your 40 strikers, danyjr, because I'm genuinely intrigued

1- Messi
2- Villa
3- Ronaldo
4- Adebayor
5- Van Persie
6- Berbatov (overall, I rate him equals but on a technical level he shits on Giroud)
7- Benzema
8- Osvaldo
9- Jovetić
10- Rooney
11- Fred
12- Ba
13- Llorente
14- Negredo
15- Soldado
16- Michu
17- Higuaín
18- Džeko
19- Tévez
20- Agüero
21- Fellaini (not his natural position, still better than Giroud as CF)
22- Quagliarella
23- Hulk
24- Huntelaar
25- Cavani
26- Suárez
27- Cassano
28- Falcao
29- Lukaku
30- Sturridge
31- Emenike
32- Mandžukić
33- Welbeck
34- Balotelli
35- Drogba
36- Klose
37- Di Natale
38- Lewandowski
39- Ibrahimović
40- Benteke

@Lex wrote:Bet trash like Dzeko are included Laughing
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