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Post by Swanhends on Thu May 24, 2012 2:49 pm

@Le Samourai wrote:Prime Shaq was better than Jordan.....

derp?

Shaq was a dominant, dominant player...but at the end of the day he was sort of just a bigger/more mean Dwight Howard...

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Post by Amar on Thu May 24, 2012 3:09 pm

There's the word: Dominant.

Shaq was indeed more dominant, but to say he was better is just ridiculous bro.

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Post by The Franchise on Thu May 24, 2012 3:47 pm

@Le Samourai wrote:Prime Shaq was better than Jordan.....

Heard it before, dont think its true.

He was a dominant big man and of course one of those is going to be more unstoppable than even the most dominant "little man" in Jordan.

He is going to shoot 60%, protect the paint and control the entire game's flow on both ends..but thats just because he is a big man, there is nothing Jordan can do about that.

Its not that Shaq was "better" in his prime..its just that a great bigman can dominate more aspects of the game.
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Post by The Franchise on Thu May 24, 2012 3:48 pm

BhritanniaBhlue wrote:
@Le Samourai wrote:Prime Shaq was better than Jordan.....

derp?

Shaq was a dominant, dominant player...but at the end of the day he was sort of just a bigger/more mean Dwight Howard...

I would go a bit further than that...he has various skills Howard seems like he will never even get close to.

Shaq in his rookie year had more moves.
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Post by Le Samourai on Thu May 24, 2012 4:02 pm

@The Franchise wrote:
@Le Samourai wrote:Prime Shaq was better than Jordan.....

Heard it before, dont think its true.

He was a dominant big man and of course one of those is going to be more unstoppable than even the most dominant "little man" in Jordan.

He is going to shoot 60%, protect the paint and control the entire game's flow on both ends..but thats just because he is a big man, there is nothing Jordan can do about that.

Its not that Shaq was "better" in his prime..its just that a great bigman can dominate more aspects of the game.

Well yea.

I don't get it, why would Jordan be better here......Shaq routinely got opposing centers and their backups fouled out, routinely drew triple teams, had a much bigger defensive impact .


The only knock on him is that you could foul him and put him on the line in the 4th......

I think many GM's would take Prime Shaq over Prime Jordan.

Never said he was more complete...but as a player he was easily the most dominant I've seen.

Sure it's not Jordan's fault that Shaq could impact the game more, but in the same vein I could say it's not Shaq's fault that he couldn't exhibit as much control over the game as Jordan did being a guard.

In 04 he was pretty helpless when Kobe decided it was his time , he couldve done more and we probably wouldve won the finals against Detroit had he been fed.

It goes both ways.

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Post by The Franchise on Thu May 24, 2012 4:11 pm

But you must also remember Jordans advantages.

He got his and all the big men in foul trouble trying to guard him. He got to the line, just like Shaq and drew those fouls.

Also, he completely locked his man down and could do that to anyone you name at the position. Shaq wasnt the individual defender Jordan was.

Also, Jordan commanded obvious double and triple teams too.

Bigger though, at the end of games Jordan was everything Kobe has been..we dont need to go over all that. Shaq, because he is a center and because he was so bad at the line, cannot compare to him at the end of games.

I understand your arguement and for me, a great big man always beats a great little man..however, Jordan is the exception to that rule.

Your right, GM's would draft Shaq..they drafted Olajuwon over Jordan so yeah.



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Post by Le Samourai on Thu May 24, 2012 4:28 pm

Not necessarily draft, but take at their peak if given a choice.

I know the argument lol....Sure Jordan drew doubles and triples occasionally, or in the 4th....but not every time he ran down the court.

The knock on Shaq is the 4th, and if Lebron is the best since Jordan then I don't even see why that is being brought up Smile

Individual defense -Yea that's true.

If we put Prime Shaq and Prime Jordan on the same team, it would be the same situation, Jordan would have to defer to him, he would dominate games more, he'd get the Finals MVP's cuz he'd still get 20 rebounds a night and make the oppositions depth chart look like a joke.

I don't mind people saying Jordan is better but people dismiss the argument too quickly because Jordan is hero worshipped.

I could make an argument for Olajuwon because of his defensive versatility (footwork) and all that , but people would think I'm crazy Smile

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Post by Le Samourai on Thu May 24, 2012 6:07 pm

Avery Bradley is done :facepalm:

Big Big loss for the Celtics if they get past Philadelphia.

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Post by dmize on Thu May 24, 2012 6:09 pm

More dominant /= better player
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Post by dmize on Thu May 24, 2012 6:19 pm

@Le Samourai wrote:
If we put Prime Shaq and Prime Jordan on the same team, it would be the same situation, Jordan would have to defer to him, he would dominate games more, he'd get the Finals MVP's cuz he'd still get 20 rebounds a night and make the oppositions depth chart look like a joke.

No, Jordan definitely wouldn't being deferring. And with that said, Shaq would get his regardless; on putbacks, dead possessions, w/e.

And Prime Shaq had a glaring weakness, Jordan didn't. Freethrows. Shaqs been held to subpar games strictly off the strength of hack-a-shaq.

And while Shaq is the most dominant NBA player ever, Jordan isn't far off. He had a variety of moves that were literally impossible to stop, most notably the fadeaway.
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Post by dmize on Thu May 24, 2012 7:33 pm

All NBA teams announced:

1st team: CP3, Kobe, KD35, Bron, Dwight

2nd: Parker, Westbrook, Love, Griffin, Bynum

3rd: Rondo, Wade, Melo, Dirk, Chandler

Parker ahead of Rondo really? Btw that 3rd team would beat the 2nd team quite easily.
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Post by The Franchise on Thu May 24, 2012 9:45 pm

I think Parker deserves it...kinda..I mean, the Spurs did have the best record in the West and he was crucial to it. Not to say Rondo was doing nothing..but I get it.

I think if Spurs lost in the first round, he wouldnt of got it.
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Post by Don't call me James on Thu May 24, 2012 11:29 pm

Overrated Griffin doesn't deserve second team!!! :coffee:

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Post by I Have Mono on Thu May 24, 2012 11:40 pm

Westbrook gets the 2nd guard spot usually given to SG over Wade because he take so many shots lol.

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Post by Freeza on Fri May 25, 2012 12:57 am

He got the 2nd spot, because he was better than Wade this season, end of.

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Post by tonger on Fri May 25, 2012 2:17 am

what a first half, wade with 22 2nd quarter points..... pacers need to cut down their turnovers, shooting 60% from the field and getting a good amount of free throws, and only up by 2

but that last basket wade made splitting the pacer players off a screen, and swooping by hibbert in the air... wow made it look easy
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Post by tonger on Fri May 25, 2012 3:03 am

david west is now single handedly losing the game for pacers............... with bad shots, bad turnovers, and bad technical
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Post by tonger on Fri May 25, 2012 3:33 am

it is dwade night tonight
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Post by Amar on Fri May 25, 2012 3:45 am

Heat through to the ECF. Now we just need Boston to get there for an epic showdown.

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Post by Don't call me James on Fri May 25, 2012 3:47 am

I'm all for Sixers.....Will Smith :bow:

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Post by Blue Barrett on Fri May 25, 2012 3:54 am

Bye bye Pacers.


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Post by LeSwagg James on Fri May 25, 2012 3:58 am

LOL at the Pacers.. I think they're a good team but it's great to see them go home after all the bs in the series.. Especially Granger Laughing

I expect the ECF to be easier.. Especially if Bosh comes back

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Post by Blue Barrett on Fri May 25, 2012 4:22 am

Dwyane Wade's 17-for-25 (68 percent) marks the highest shooting percentage with 20+ shots in franchise playoff history.
Whoever doubted this man? hmm

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Post by The Franchise on Fri May 25, 2012 8:52 am

Messiah "Aggerswagger" wrote:Overrated Griffin doesn't deserve second team!!! :coffee:

He was better than Dirk or Melo.
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Post by Freeza on Fri May 25, 2012 11:26 am

Griffin and Westbrook seriously gets way too much hate, they get more hate than LeBron and Kobe.... Griffin is going into his third year next year and Westbrook is one the best scoring point guards in the league. Derrick Rose takes just as many shots, with a lower %, and yet he doesn't get any hate at all

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Post by The Franchise on Fri May 25, 2012 12:55 pm

Thats true, but there is a bit of a difference.

Rose and the Bulls doesnt have anyone else that can create their only shot, Boozer is the next best thing. So he can get away with that.

Westbrook has one of, if not the best players and scorers in the game and often takes more shots than him.

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