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Post by Phritz on Thu May 24, 2012 4:42 pm

Play-off draws are being held on the 21st/22nd of August, with the 2nd legs being played on the 28th/29th of august.





Confirmed group stage pots:

    Pot 1
  1. Barcelona
  2. Manchester United
  3. Chelsea
  4. Bayern
  5. Real Madrid
  6. Arsenal
  7. Porto
  8. AC Milan
    Pot 2
  9. Valencia
  10. Benfica
  11. Shakhtar Donetsk
  12. Zenit
  13. Schalke
  14. Manchester City
  15. SC Braga
  16. FC Dynamo Kyiv

    Pot 3
  17. Olympiacos (32)
  18. Ajax
  19. Juventus
  20. RSC Anderlecht
  21. LOSC Lille
  22. FC Spartak Moskva
  23. PSG
  24. Galatasaray

    Pot 4
  25. Celtic FC
  26. BVB
  27. FC BATE Borisov
  28. GNK Dinamo Zagreb
  29. CFR 1907 Cluj
  30. Montpellier
  31. Nordsælland
  32. Málaga C.F.





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Henry wrote:"“Stepovers, tricks, that’s not the game. The game is what Thomas Muller is doing. If I had a son right now, playing, I would say to him ‘look at them, look at [Franck] Ribery, look at Muller.’ What Ronaldo does, and Messi, they’re just freaks. Don’t try to copy those guys. You can copy from Ribery, you can copy from Thomas Muller. What he did at the World Cup, people don’t talk about it. They don’t talk about it, but they should talk about it. He plays the game the right way: he defends, he attacks, he controls the ball when he has to control it, he reverses when he has to reverse it. When he has to finish, he’ll finish. He doesn’t do stepovers, but when he has to perform, he performs. He does what the game asks him to do.”"


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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by S on Thu May 24, 2012 4:44 pm

Its ridiculous that a club like Valencia who have done squat in CL in the last few years are placed in Pot 2 mainly based on their EL perfomances.

This really is so flawed.

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by Potential on Thu May 24, 2012 4:46 pm

Surag wrote:Its ridiculous that a club like Valencia who have done squat in CL in the last few years are placed in Pot 2 mainly based on their EL perfomances.

This really is so flawed.

You (I think) wanted Juventus to be in pot 1 because they won the league while done shit in Europe for the last six years :vagi:

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by Phritz on Thu May 24, 2012 4:50 pm

I just want a group with City, Real Madrid, Juventus and Dortmund in it xD

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Henry wrote:"“Stepovers, tricks, that’s not the game. The game is what Thomas Muller is doing. If I had a son right now, playing, I would say to him ‘look at them, look at [Franck] Ribery, look at Muller.’ What Ronaldo does, and Messi, they’re just freaks. Don’t try to copy those guys. You can copy from Ribery, you can copy from Thomas Muller. What he did at the World Cup, people don’t talk about it. They don’t talk about it, but they should talk about it. He plays the game the right way: he defends, he attacks, he controls the ball when he has to control it, he reverses when he has to reverse it. When he has to finish, he’ll finish. He doesn’t do stepovers, but when he has to perform, he performs. He does what the game asks him to do.”"


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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by Doc on Thu May 24, 2012 4:52 pm

I don't see how it is ridiculous to be honest. Europe is not just the UCL alone and the European rankings take in consideration what a club has done in both the UCL and Europa. It's not perfect but it's the more "fair" option right now.

Of course, until something better comes along...

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by S on Thu May 24, 2012 5:03 pm

I dont really care about co-efficient points but CL pots should not be decided by EL perfomances.Its utter nonsense.

A club like Ajax ,who hadnt seen the CL for ages..Only in the last two years have they qualified for the tournament proper.And they're placed in Pot 2 for two consecutive 3rd place finishes :facepalm:

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by Phritz on Thu May 24, 2012 5:24 pm

A fan of a team who would've been pot 2 (if Chelsea hadn't won CL) despite doing nothing in Europe in past few years complains about teams who've performed in Europe recently.Also sounds quite similar to people being butthurt about Germany getting a CL place at Italy's expense.

Sorry, don't buy it.

What about Nodjælland? They're only guaranteed a group spot because of Kopenhagen's hard work (who have to go through qualifying stages)

In an ideal world Ajax would be the 2nd to last rated team in the group stages - it's just of the 34 teams who are rated higher in the past 5 years than Ajax 15 qualified and there are still 2 teams left in the qualifying rounds who will displace Ajax into Pot 3.
2 3rd place finishes and some EL games is a lot more than Juventus has done überhaupt and perfectly matches their borderline Pot 2/3 status.
I hate to take this stance but just pointing a few things out to you.


The only realistic alternative is seeding via league position etc. but how do you seed non-champions vs champions of "weaker" leagues?


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Henry wrote:"“Stepovers, tricks, that’s not the game. The game is what Thomas Muller is doing. If I had a son right now, playing, I would say to him ‘look at them, look at [Franck] Ribery, look at Muller.’ What Ronaldo does, and Messi, they’re just freaks. Don’t try to copy those guys. You can copy from Ribery, you can copy from Thomas Muller. What he did at the World Cup, people don’t talk about it. They don’t talk about it, but they should talk about it. He plays the game the right way: he defends, he attacks, he controls the ball when he has to control it, he reverses when he has to reverse it. When he has to finish, he’ll finish. He doesn’t do stepovers, but when he has to perform, he performs. He does what the game asks him to do.”"


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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by Blue Barrett on Thu May 24, 2012 5:26 pm

Still ranked No.3 :coffee:

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by StrugaRock on Thu May 24, 2012 5:32 pm

Real Madrid
Manchester City
Juventus
Dortmund

Group of champions, make it happen UEFA Chaka

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by che on Thu May 24, 2012 5:35 pm

Surag wrote:Its ridiculous that a club like Valencia who have done squat in CL in the last few years are placed in Pot 2 mainly based on their EL perfomances.

This really is so flawed.

waah waah waah, my club didn't qualify for europe for two years so now i criticise other teams that did, waah waah waah

get a *bleep* grip

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by S on Thu May 24, 2012 5:44 pm

@che wrote:
Surag wrote:Its ridiculous that a club like Valencia who have done squat in CL in the last few years are placed in Pot 2 mainly based on their EL perfomances.

This really is so flawed.

waah waah waah, my club didn't qualify for europe for two years so now i criticise other teams that did, waah waah waah

get a *bleep* grip

Yes and i am awaiting another Group Stage exit.

And you'd still manage to be seeded 9th or 10th next year Laughing

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by che on Thu May 24, 2012 5:46 pm

you know what's worse than a group stage exit?

not even qualifying for the competition for two years

you know what's even worse than not qualifying for the competition for two years?

bitching about teams that qualified for the competition because you feel entitled to preferential treatment due to events that happened 10 years ago

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by Doc on Thu May 24, 2012 5:49 pm

Surag wrote:I dont really care about co-efficient points but CL pots should not be decided by EL perfomances.Its utter nonsense.

A club like Ajax ,who hadnt seen the CL for ages..Only in the last two years have they qualified for the tournament proper.And they're placed in Pot 2 for two consecutive 3rd place finishes :facepalm:

European rankings are determined by a point system based on both Europa and UCL results. You may not care about co-efficient points but it determines where a club is placed when it comes to seeding and quite frankly, it is as fair of a system as one can get. I do feel this has to more to do with Juventus being in pot 3 than anything honestly...

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Post by Ganso on Thu May 24, 2012 5:51 pm

pot 3 teams are better than the ones in pot 2 lol

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Thu May 24, 2012 5:53 pm

If this is based on european results someone explain to me how Man City are in pot 2 scratch Laughing

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by S on Thu May 24, 2012 5:53 pm

Havent even mentioned Juventus in this thread Laughing

But i simply dont think EL perfomances should dictate CL seeding.

Funny thing is if a team like Valencia for example get knocked out in the groups and manage to reach atleast a semi in the EL ,there's a chance of Valencia even finding themselves in Pot 1.That is so wrong.

If EL perfomances hold such a huge meaning in CL terms why isnt the winner of EL given a spot in the subsequent CL then ?

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by Doc on Thu May 24, 2012 5:55 pm

For further illustration, see this:

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/index.html

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Post by Doc on Thu May 24, 2012 5:56 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:If this is based on european results someone explain to me how Man City are in pot 2 scratch Laughing

Because based on who actually qualified, Man City just happened to be ranked to be chosen in pot 2. Also, see website for further details...

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Thu May 24, 2012 6:00 pm

Also i agree with Surag, EL results shouldnt effect CL pots and vice versa....

I remember when we got the Semi's of EL back in the Sir Bobby Era and we were somehow 4th in the rankings for that year Laughing :facepalm:

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by S on Thu May 24, 2012 6:04 pm

mole if Newcastle manage to do well in 2-3 seasons(making quarters ,semis regularly),you can find your team in Pot 2 provided you qualify for CL that year..Seriously..Laughing

What a Joke :facepalm:

This ruling is so wrong.

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by Phritz on Thu May 24, 2012 6:08 pm

This season it was RM who won the most points with Barca and Atletico tied in 2nd place. Chelsea and Bayern won an almost identical amount of points this season in 4th and 5th.

Valencia earned the 6th most points this season.

Atletico played 3 more games, and won a final while Barca crashed out of the semi's with a loss and a draw but they both earned the same amount of points : scratch - There probably should be an algorithm which gives you points based on the other teams points.

Madrid and Barca, who both lost a game in the semi-finals and lost them overall should not be getting the most points for beating minnows in the CL >.>


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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by che on Thu May 24, 2012 6:08 pm

Surag wrote:

If EL perfomances hold such a huge meaning in CL terms why isnt the winner of EL given a spot in the subsequent CL then ?

in that case blame the inconsistency of other top seeded teams, not valencia's fault the likes of liverpool and inter aren't good enough to qualify

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Re: Champions League 2012-2013 - Draw Live!

Post by Lord Hades on Thu May 24, 2012 6:12 pm

too bad, maybe teams should take el seriously now lol

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Post by Freeza on Thu May 24, 2012 6:13 pm

FC Nordsjælland :bow: ending the regime of FC Copenhagen, probably the biggest upset in Danish football in a long long time. I don't think they will get a victory in the group though, since their best player is leaving to Twente, hope they will get in a tough group, so I can go watch them cheers

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Post by Raptorgunner on Thu May 24, 2012 6:15 pm

Juve vs Arsenal would be epic, if we sign Del Piero. Chaka

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