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Post by Rebaño Sagrado on Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:43 am

Dino Zoff on the Casillas bandwagon hmm

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Post by Le Samourai on Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:29 pm

I'm loving this hype train Very Happy.

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Post by Adit on Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:31 pm

It will be

1.Ronaldo

2.Messi

3.Iniesta


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Post by Harmonica on Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:55 pm

@Adit wrote:1.Ronaldo

2.Messi

3.Iniesta


Messi racked up goal scoring stats after Madrid already won the league Laughing
@Adit wrote:It will be

1.Ronaldo

2.Messi

3.Iniesta


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Post by CBarca on Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:11 pm

Starting to wonder if Iniesta deserves a top 3 spot.

Casillas had a better season individually, as well as winning a major title with his club, and had a Euro that wasn't so far off the great Euro that Iniesta had. Iniesta clearly has a lead in the Euro, but everything else seems more to point at Casillas.

What do you guys think, does Iniesta deserve third place more than Casillas?

This is assuming the top 2 will be Messi and Ronaldo of course.

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Post by buddytaller on Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:32 pm

Voting for the Ballon D'Or is not a scientific process, it is more or less a lottery, a popularity contest, for instance Del Bosque's vote will be something like this Xavi, Iniesta, Casillas. Casillas will vote Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta.

The result is anybody's guess, but in my opinion the top five should be something like this.

1. Ronaldo
2. Messi
3. Pirlo
4. Iniesta
5. Casillas


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Post by guest7 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:47 pm

I think Iniesta's third place is abit undeserved. He had a very average season club level where he was constantly injured and inconsistent. While he had a brilliant Euro, I really don't think one month of brilliance earns you a third place in Balon d'Or.

Great player, but Pirlo had a better season individually. Iker aswell, I must say the hype train going on for Iker feels good. I really want him to end his career with a Balon d'Or Very Happy
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Post by Khaled on Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:24 pm

Dino Zoff (ex-Juventus, Euro 1968, World Cup 1982): "I think Messi will again win the Ballon d'Or. For me, he's the best, an artist." [as]


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Post by Rebaño Sagrado on Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:37 pm

But he said he would be happy if Casillas won it Razz

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Post by Harmonica on Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:37 am

@messixaviesta wrote:
jiopsi wrote:Here's reference.

Denis Law 1964 Ballon d'Or
- Euro Year, Scottland didn't participate, Spain was also champions Very Happy
- No titles (Messi had 4)
- Goals 46 for club (Messi 73)

Other ones that didn't win anything major:

Matthews 1956
Müller 1970 WC year
Keegan 1978 WC year
Platini 1983 (cup)

Again it's not only about winning team trophies.

Nice list. Yes there are precedents but there are even greater number of precedents where a player who could not have been called the best player in the world won because of his major contributions to his team(s)' wonderful achievements during the year.
I just showed that people will vote who they think were the best player of the season/year, trophies or not. Also how many of those who won by trophies had to compete against player who broke all time goal scoring records in a season, and who also happened to be the best creator of goals?

- 82 for club+nt WR
- 73 for club WR
- 50 in La Liga/league, Spanish/Golden shoe record
- 14 in UCL, record
- 5 in UCL match, record

I guess not a single one?

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Post by vanDEEZ on Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:14 am

it would at the very least be a nice gesture if iker was a finalist
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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:01 am

Iker deserves it as much as any other for his performances in the Euro to say the least, he broke so many damn records it wasn't even funny, if a forward had done that or come close to that many records people would be calling for him to be the winner. Not to mention he had a pretty decent club season as well, actually pretty damn amazing when you look at the UCL and his group stage performances especially, then we could also talk about his performances in the clasico's too.

Messi scored alot of goals but let's be honest for most of the season he forgot how to play football away from home and the last couple of clasico's Ronaldo showed him who's boss.

Ronaldo could win had a huge Euro's although didn't step up when it mattered most and had a huge hand in Real Madrid winning La Liga and getting to the SF's in the UCL.

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Post by Harmonica on Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:20 am

@Crimson wrote:Iker deserves it as much as any other for his performances in the Euro to say the least, he broke so many damn records it wasn't even funny,
What records, other than career records, did he broke? Ballon d'Or is not something like Oscar for directing, which is often given for the worst good work because of the illustrious career. Nor should it be.

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Post by Khaled on Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:52 am

@Crimson wrote:Iker deserves it as much as any other for his performances in the Euro to say the least, he broke so many damn records it wasn't even funny, if a forward had done that or come close to that many records people would be calling for him to be the winner. Not to mention he had a pretty decent club season as well, actually pretty damn amazing when you look at the UCL and his group stage performances especially, then we could also talk about his performances in the clasico's too.

Messi scored alot of goals but let's be honest for most of the season he forgot how to play football away from home and the last couple of clasico's Ronaldo showed him who's boss.

Ronaldo could win had a huge Euro's although didn't step up when it mattered most and had a huge hand in Real Madrid winning La Liga and getting to the SF's in the UCL.

If the ballon d'or is for career achievements, it should go for Xavi or Iniesta... Players who played the most important role in Spain's success (Euro+WC+Euro)...

But its not... The Ballon d'or is for the player with best individual performance..
MESSI had the best individual performance EVER (2011/12)!

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Post by Pedram on Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:03 am

Messi had the best individual season but when the hard moments arrived he choked hard.

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Post by Khaled on Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:14 am

@Pedram wrote:Messi had the best individual season but when the hard moments arrived he choked hard.
what?

cause he missed the penalty against Chelsea? Cristiano also missed against Bayern #lol
Messi was Barca's best player against Chelsea, especially 1st leg where he created most chances...

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Post by messixaviesta on Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:38 am

jiopsi wrote:I just showed that people will vote who they think were the best player of the season/year, trophies or not. Also how many of those who won by trophies had to compete against player who broke all time goal scoring records in a season, and who also happened to be the best creator of goals?

- 82 for club+nt WR
- 73 for club WR
- 50 in La Liga/league, Spanish/Golden shoe record
- 14 in UCL, record
- 5 in UCL match, record

I guess not a single one?

Try answering two questions.

1. Didn't Messi achieve nearly all this in 2009-10? Why then was he 4th in the journalists' voting?

2. Were the following players the best in the world when they won?
a) Mathias Sammer (1996, competitor Ronaldo)
b) Luis Figo (2000, competitor Zinedine Zidane)
c) Michael Owen (2001)
d) Pavel Nedved (2003, competitor Zinedine Zidane)
e) Andriy Shevchenko (2004, competitor Ronaldinho)
f) Fabio Cannavaro (2006)


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Post by harhar11 on Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:25 am

@Rebaño Sagrado wrote:But he said he would be happy if Casillas won it Razz

The journalist most likely were asked what he though if Casillas would win it, not who he thinks deserves to win it...

@Crimson wrote:Iker deserves it as much as any other for his performances in the Euro to say the least, he broke so many damn records it wasn't even funny

If we are talking about record being broken then Messi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Casillas. Messi broke this season sooooooooo many records that its ridiculous, where as I can only think of one record that Casillas broke and that was win his 100th game with the NT..

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Post by Le Samourai on Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:29 am

This is a truly remarkable hype train. It's almost like if it's being marketed as an award for all keepers and not just Casillas.

:bow:

Reminds me of when Kathryn Bigelow beat Tarantino and James Cameron in 09 , this shit is brilliant.

Former Barcelona and Atletico Madrid goalkeeper Miguel Reina believes that Iker Casillas deserves to win the Ballon d'Or, after his performances for Real Madrid and Spain over the last year.

The 66-year-old, who is the father of Liverpool shot-stopper Pepe Reina, has praised Los Blancos' keeper for his fine campaign in 2011-12, where he captained his club to Liga glory, and kept five clean sheets as La Roja won Euro 2012.

“It is clear Casillas deserves [the Ballon d'Or],” he told AS. “He had a great European Championship, and had a very good season with Madrid, winning La Liga.
“Honestly, for the work he's done, he undoubtedly deserves it. I have no doubt that he has done more than enough to merit the award.
“Casillas has shown a human quality, and is a role model for all young people. Furthermore, he showed immense fair play in the Euro final.
"When the referee added on time at the end of the game, Casillas asked the assistant referee not to add on any more minutes out of respect for Italy. It was unnecessary to draw any more blood from the Italians.
“Casillas is a symbol for football, and sport in general.”
He did, however, concede that goalkeepers do not receive enough recognition, and that could hold him back winning the award.
"Maybe that will be a problem for Casillas. Awards like this are never given to goalkeepers. It is always the forwards [that win], because they get all the glory.
"It is about time a goalkeeper was given the Ballon d'Or. It is the most difficult position in football, and deserves equal recognition.
“Players like [Dino] Zoff and [Oliver] Kahn were two great keepers, but never received enough recognition. Buffon also. This year it will be difficult [for Casillas to win], but for his effort and his career so far, he deserves it.”

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Post by messixaviesta on Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:35 am

@Le Samourai wrote:This is a truly remarkable hype train. It's almost like if it's being marketed as an award for all keepers and not just Casillas.

A pity that others defenders around the world past and present did not come out in support of Cannavaro when he won that award. Since so few defenders have won over the years that too should be considered as an award for all defenders or more specifically all center backs.

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Post by FennecFox7 on Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:57 am

@Khaled wrote:
@Pedram wrote:Messi had the best individual season but when the hard moments arrived he choked hard.
what?

cause he missed the penalty against Chelsea? Cristiano also missed against Bayern #lol
Messi was Barca's best player against Chelsea, especially 1st leg where he created most chances...

Ronaldo scored BOTH of our goals against bayern.. nice try again. The CR hate is strong with this one

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Post by Harmonica on Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:28 am

@messixaviesta wrote:
jiopsi wrote:I just showed that people will vote who they think were the best player of the season/year, trophies or not. Also how many of those who won by trophies had to compete against player who broke all time goal scoring records in a season, and who also happened to be the best creator of goals?

- 82 for club+nt WR
- 73 for club WR
- 50 in La Liga/league, Spanish/Golden shoe record
- 14 in UCL, record
- 5 in UCL match, record

I guess not a single one?

Try answering two questions.

1. Didn't Messi achieve nearly all this in 2009-10? Why then was he 4th in the journalists' voting?

2. Were the following players the best in the world when they won?
a) Mathias Sammer (1996, competitor Ronaldo)
b) Luis Figo (2000, competitor Zinedine Zidane)
c) Michael Owen (2001)
d) Pavel Nedved (2003, competitor Zinedine Zidane)
e) Andriy Shevchenko (2004, competitor Ronaldinho)
f) Fabio Cannavaro (2006)

1. No, he got 47 goals, which only equalled Spanish record. 48+18 compared to 82+41 this season for club+nt. Because they valued trophies more in that season/ year? In coaches/ players minds Messi had best season.

2. I wont be going all those through before you argue, why they didn't deserve to win. And Ballon d'Or isn't about best player, it's about who had the best individual season/ year.

a. Sammer won Bundesliga, DFP-supercup and Euro's being the best player of tournament. Ronaldo didn't win anything major and scored some 30 odd goals in Eredivisie, not really amazing stuff is it?

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Post by Khaled on Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:19 pm

Giggity5313 wrote:
@Khaled wrote:
@Pedram wrote:Messi had the best individual season but when the hard moments arrived he choked hard.
what?

cause he missed the penalty against Chelsea? Cristiano also missed against Bayern #lol
Messi was Barca's best player against Chelsea, especially 1st leg where he created most chances...

Ronaldo scored BOTH of our goals against bayern.. nice try again. The CR hate is strong with this one

ok cr fanboy... you're calling us messifan boys.. yet you're sucking cr7 balls in every post.. #lol

Yet, Messi had a better overall performance vs chelsea than Cristiano vs bayern...

Cristiano must score goals, to say that he had good game, while Messi can be MOM without scoring a single goal, cause he can:
1- assist (vision)
2- create chances (passes)
3- Dribble (create chances and open spaces)
4- get involved in the build up
etc..


Cristiano can score a penalty vs Bayern, and tap in (which was offside btw).. yet he did nothing in the rest of the game... get owned by Alaba and Lahm!
This is why Cristiano 2011-12 is not better than Gomez or Huntelaar!

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Post by FennecFox7 on Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:57 pm

@Khaled wrote:
Giggity5313 wrote:
@Khaled wrote:
@Pedram wrote:Messi had the best individual season but when the hard moments arrived he choked hard.
what?

cause he missed the penalty against Chelsea? Cristiano also missed against Bayern #lol
Messi was Barca's best player against Chelsea, especially 1st leg where he created most chances...

Ronaldo scored BOTH of our goals against bayern.. nice try again. The CR hate is strong with this one

ok cr fanboy... you're calling us messifan boys.. yet you're sucking cr7 balls in every post.. #lol

Yet, Messi had a better overall performance vs chelsea than Cristiano vs bayern...

Cristiano must score goals, to say that he had good game, while Messi can be MOM without scoring a single goal, cause he can:
1- assist (vision)
2- create chances (passes)
3- Dribble (create chances and open spaces)
4- get involved in the build up
etc..


Cristiano can score a penalty vs Bayern, and tap in (which was offside btw).. yet he did nothing in the rest of the game... get owned by Alaba and Lahm!
This is why Cristiano 2011-12 is not better than Gomez or Huntelaar!

He didn't get owned by lahm. Were we watching the same game...? That wasnt a tap in by the way, that was on the edge of the box and wasn't offside.. Guess I'm gonna have to get a prescription for you soon.

Stop making up lies khaled, pretty soon I can't take you seriously. and ronaldo gets involved in the build up as well.

Gomez or huntellar, stop trolling LOL. Just stop rofl

On another note, all I said is ronaldo scored 2 goals, yet I'm sucking his balls hmm

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Post by Adit on Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:05 pm

Last year balondor logic

''what has ronaldo won ? broken copa? ''

''Ronaldo simply scored alot of goals after La liga was already over''

.....................

This year logic


''Messi has broken copa''

''Messi scored LOT of goals'' ( Messi scores 10 fking goals after the 7 point lead clasico with 4 penalties Laughing )

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Post by billionmillion on Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:42 pm

@Adit wrote:Last year balondor logic

''what has ronaldo won ? broken copa? ''

''Ronaldo simply scored alot of goals after La liga was already over''

.....................

This year logic


''Messi has broken copa''

''Messi scored LOT of goals'' ( Messi scores 10 fking goals after the 7 point lead clasico with 4 penalties Laughing )
You can not even hide your bias pirat
messi won CL+La liga that year
messi scored in CL final, scored wonder goal vs madrid in CL semi final
He was CL top scorer
Ronaldo only with copa del rey could not compete against those things.

this season ronaldo only won la liga and nothing else. if he won CL and was CL top scorer+La liga we could use same example here
(even though 82 goals 42 assists>53 goals+15 assists, and 15 broken records>2 broken record)

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