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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:04 am

De Gea was the best player in the league this year.

Only haters will try to argue it.

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by M99 on Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:08 am

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Colback was the best player in the league this year.

Only haters will try to argue it.


Agreed.

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by futbol on Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:16 am

Statistically he's on par with Casillas.

DDG vs. Casillas

11 vs. 12 clean sheets.

2.11 vs. 2.41 saves per game (Casillas is actually busier, DAT Mehdrid defense Laughing).

2.17 vs. 2.20 saves per goal.

69 % vs. 70 % distribution success.

94 % vs. 94 % claim success.

0.97 vs. 1.09 goals per game conceded.

Maybe that's why Mehdrid want him. hmm

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:17 am

Harmonicaball pls

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:58 am

Statistically, every random BuLi keeper is better than De Gea, and probably about 20 other keepers as well.

But but but he made those incredible saves against Wilshere's, Sterling's, Hazard's poor finishing etc pp. Top 3 keeper no doubt.

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Myesyats on Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:18 pm

De Gea was unbelievable considering he had such an awful defence in front of him. Madrid legend Proud

He's just coming back home tbh.

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:29 pm

thanks Hans, it's unbelievable he is even being compared to Thibu

right now in footy, it's Neuer, courtois and the rest

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:03 pm

There is nothing that Courtois did last season which suggests he had a better season than De Gea.

Absolutely zilch, natta, nothing. He might be a better GK but he didn't have a better season, only Hazard, Sanchez and Aguero are in the discussion to be better.

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Post by Valkyrja on Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:05 pm

Neuer is a better passer
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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by jibers on Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:11 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:There is nothing that Courtois did last season which suggests he had a better season than De Gea.

Absolutely zilch, natta, nothing. He might be a better GK but he didn't have a better season, only Hazard, Sanchez and Aguero are in the discussion to be better.


I don't get why it is hard for people to say who is better. Instead Hans is ranting. It's irrelevant whether he is world class (whatever that means).

@Valk ter Stegens passing is better than Neuers. His distribution is unreal.

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Myesyats on Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:17 pm

@jibers wrote:@Valk ter Stegens passing is better than Neuers. His distribution is unreal.
Yeah. I think only Kroos had better long passing accuracy in CL

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Post by rwo power on Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:37 am

@Mr Nick09 wrote:right now in footy, it's Neuer, courtois and the rest
You forgot the statistically best goalie this season :coffee:

http://tinyurl.com/top5-gks-2014-15
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http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2015/06/11/sommer-pips-neuer-and-buffon-as-best-moneyball-keeper-as-de-gea-intrigue-continues-110601/

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Valkyrja on Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:14 am

@jibers wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:There is nothing that Courtois did last season which suggests he had a better season than De Gea.

Absolutely zilch, natta, nothing. He might be a better GK but he didn't have a better season, only Hazard, Sanchez and Aguero are in the discussion to be better.


I don't get why it is hard for people to say who is better. Instead Hans is ranting. It's irrelevant whether he is world class (whatever that means).

@Valk ter Stegens passing is better than Neuers. His distribution is unreal.


I know. I've said after the UCL final that I've never seen a GK with better distribution
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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by rwo power on Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:13 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:
@jibers wrote:@Valk ter Stegens passing is better than Neuers. His distribution is unreal.
I know. I've said after the UCL final that I've never seen a GK with better distribution
You might want to check out Gladbach with Yann Sommer, too. Lucien Favre chose Sommer specifically as his distribution is about as good as Marc-André ter Stegen's, thus Gladbach didn't have to change their style after MAtS left.

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by free_cat on Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:08 pm

Courtois is a great goalkeeper but with some appaling weaknesses. He is soooo poor in one-vs-one it's not even funny. Make the smallest feint, and he is on the ground and it takes him 2 hours to stand up again. He's long range saving is not that great. On the other hand, he makes very little mistakes and with his size he is imposing both in the air and in saving many closer range shots.

De Gea is a bit more complete IMO although he is poorer in the air and makes more mistakes. They are basically on the same level.

However, really, Ter Stegen is better than boths. He's basically better at everything (except Courtois size related skills), although he makes more mistakes.

Let's remember also that Courtois and Ter Stegen are two years younger, so I'd always pick with them.

Dunnow about Yan Sommer cause I've never watched him. Although I doubt he can pass better than Ter Stegen, he is a machine that could play as CM for any mid table club.

I only watched Fraser Forster those times vs. Celtic and he was inmense. I see he has continued to produce.

Also, I would like to take a minute to homage Victor Valdes, who would have swept this "safe hands" metrics in his prime. Eventhough he faced a 1 on 1 every 2 games, he had several seasons with more than  80% saves, which is head and shoulders above any other goalkeeper. His aerial claiming was always mediocre, but surely over 91% making him way above any other goalkeeper of his time. Always underated.

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by rwo power on Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:44 pm

@free_cat wrote:Dunnow about Yan Sommer cause I've never watched him. Although I doubt he can pass better than Ter Stegen, he is a machine that could play as CM for any mid table club.
As whoscored.com have their stats from OPTA, they should be quite okay - and if you compare MAtS ands Yann Sommer there, you will see there is not much difference number-wise.

They are both listed with "Long Passing" as their strengths, and the accuracy is 80.1% for MAtS (with an average of 23.5 passes per game, 7.5 of them long balls), while Yann Sommer has a pass accuracy of 75.8% (with an average of 41.8 passes per game, 8.3 of them long balls).

If you compare this to David de Gea and Thibaut Courtois, you get:

David de Gea: 61.1% pass accuracy, 27.9 passes per game, 8.6 of them long balls
Thibaut Courtois: 51.1% pass accuracy, 22.5 passes per game, 6.9 of them long balls
Wojciech Szczesny: 63.7% pass accuracy, 23.3 passes per game, 6.6 of them long balls
Bernd Leno: 52.5% pass accuracy, 26.1 passes per game, 6.8 of them long balls
Manuel Neuer: 85% pass accuracy, 32.5 passes per game, 4.9 of them long balls

MAtS: http://www.whoscored.com/Players/80774/
Yann Sommer: http://www.whoscored.com/Players/35758/
David de Gea: http://www.whoscored.com/Players/79554/
Thibaut Courtois: http://www.whoscored.com/Players/73798/
Wojciech Szczesny: http://www.whoscored.com/Players/73379/
Bernd Leno: http://www.whoscored.com/Players/92173/
Manuel Neuer: http://www.whoscored.com/Players/13754/

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Myesyats on Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:46 pm

ter Stegen >>>

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by S on Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:02 pm

Bump

I'm a United fan but all three are on a similar level imo
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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Luca on Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:10 pm

Szczesny has an unfair advantage from apprenticing with San Gigi

Easily the best of the lot
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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:12 pm

A Serie A jobber, the most overrated keeper on the planet and DEGOAT.

Gee i wonder.

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Nishankly on Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:10 pm

Worse than my Ederson thread.
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Post by RealGunner on Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:55 pm

Szczesny #1
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Post by Robespierre on Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:25 pm

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Myesyats on Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:36 pm

Szczęsny isn't even the best Polish keeper lol

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:19 pm

Thibu is always underrated, was better for Atletico, and the best in England too

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Re: Courtois vs De Gea vs Szczęsny

Post by Glory on Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:54 am

@Mr Nick09 wrote:Thibu is always underrated, was better for Atletico, and the best in England too


Sure you didnt intend to type 'Overrated'? hmm Chels fans and United hating community regularly used to join hands in utter desperation to big up this guy's performances not so long ago. Now after realizing he is a fraud who is not even half as reliable and consistent as De Gea under the bar, they have slowly shifted attention to Ederscrub. Heard a pundit calling the Brazilian 'complete keeper' rofl

De Gea obviously has flaws. Not saying he is perfect. Especially his decision making sometimes can be a little off. But over a period of time, say in the last 3 years, theres not been a better goalkeeper in world football. Not even Nueur, who I rate higher btw.  DDG's unreal consistency and ability to deliver 7+ performances week after week, thats his strongest trait.
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