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Post by Red Alert on Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:12 am

Is ours.

Liverpool Football Club have reached an agreement with Real Madrid to sign Nuri Sahin on a season-long loan deal, subject to the player passing a medical.

Sahin moved to Madrid last summer fresh from helping Borussia Dortmund secure the German championship and being named as the Bundesliga's Player of the Season.

The playmaker collected another league title winners' medal as the Spanish giants clinched La Liga in May.

Sahin has 31 caps for Turkey and became their youngest ever scorer when he netted on his debut against Germany in 2005, aged 17.

The 23-year-old will now undergo a medical on Merseyside.



http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/reds-agree-sahin-deal

:D

Allen, Sahin and Gerrard to create. Takes burden off Suarez.

Get an attacker now!

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Post by Don't call me James on Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:17 am

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS banana

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Post by Emaharg on Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:03 am

Still doesn't address the issues that actually need fixed.

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Post by Don't call me James on Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:24 am

Sure it does.....It fixes the fact that f*cking Adam won't be anywhere near the starting XI in the pecking order.

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Post by Red Alert on Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:41 am

Lucas Allen Sahin

Jonjo Henderson Gerrard

Suso?

Lots of options now. Gerrard may be part of the front 3 next season.

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Post by Red Alert on Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:43 am

From the Times :

"Real have accepted Liverpool’s offer to pay 70 per cent of Sahin’s wages to take him on loan for the rest of the season. Arsenal had been prepared to pay only 60 per cent, but were unwilling to accept an option price of £14 million at the end of the season, and despite the added lure of Champions League football now look likely to miss out on one of Arsène Wenger’s summer transfer targets. "

---Tony Barett. "

70 % of 120 K is somewhere around 85K. Make that a year long and it is approximately £5 million. No buy out clause as of now. That is the deal.

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Post by Don't call me James on Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:44 am

Take a guess on what number Sahin will be wearing for us!!!

Available #:

4
6
13
15
17
18

He was registered as 15 at Madrid till this deal broke through.
My guesses are 6 or 15

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Post by Red Alert on Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:50 am

6

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Post by Art Morte on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:51 am

Since it's going to be only a year-long loan, I think it'll be just some number.

Anyway, glad to have him, interesting to see where everyone plays now - and how much.

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Post by The Sanchez on Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:22 pm

Quality signing. Thats that :coffee:

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Post by stevieg8 on Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:40 pm

!!!!!!

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Post by Arquitescu on Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:47 pm

I don't see why people are so excited about a deal in which has no option to buy. Sahin is better then all our midfielders (bar on-form Gerrard) yet considering Madrid will not let us purchase him next season, it would be near redundant to play him often considering Rodgers cannot:

1. Play a team around him
2. Include him as a vital cog in the system

If anything someone whether it would be Shelvey, Hendo, Allen or Gerrard will be sacrificed which in the end is a short sighted move.
Only positive is he will help us move for the Top 4 yet knowing we won't be able to buy him makes this deal leave a bitter taste in the mouth.


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Post by Art Morte on Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:21 pm

Arquitecto wrote:I don't see why people are so excited about a deal in which has no option to buy. Sahin is better then all our midfielders (bar on-form Gerrard) yet considering Madrid will not let us purchase him next season, it would be near redundant to play him often considering Rodgers cannot:

1. Play a team around him
2. Include him as a vital cog in the system

If anything someone whether it would be Shelvey, Hendo, Allen or Gerrard will be sacrificed which in the end is a short sighted move.
Only positive is he will help us move for the Top 4 yet knowing we won't be able to buy him makes this deal leave a bitter taste in the mouth.


Yeah, I pretty much agree with you, it doesn't feel like a true addition to the squad when it's only for this season. Although I guess you can always make a bid and see what happens. But it would feel a little perverse that an on-loan player would be made one of Liverpool's most important players.

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Post by RedOranje on Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:53 pm

That's not true at all though, is it? If playing him regularly gets us into or close to the Champions League spots it allows us to attract better players to fill the role he will open when he returns to Madrid. NOT playing him regularly and hurting our performances through that, just because he won't be here next year, is ironically MORE short-sighted than playing him. He's a Liverpool player for the season and a very useful resource... to not make full use of that resource due to so theoretical issue is asinine.

And just because we don't have a clause where we can force a deal through doesn't necessarily mean Madrid won't be willing to deal next summer. After the loan, and given Rodgers' relationship with Mourinho, we'd likely have first refusal rights if/when Sahin did become available for a permanent move.


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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:08 pm

Our last 2 loan signings have been Anelka and Mascherano......



that's good omen :coffee:

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Post by Don't call me James on Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:28 pm


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Post by Don't call me James on Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:33 pm

He'll be wearing number 4!!!!!

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Post by Arquitescu on Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:01 pm

@RedOranje wrote:That's not true at all though, is it? If playing him regularly gets us into or close to the Champions League spots it allows us to attract better players to fill the role he will open when he returns to Madrid. NOT playing him regularly and hurting our performances through that, just because he won't be here next year, is ironically MORE short-sighted than playing him. He's a Liverpool player for the season and a very useful resource... to not make full use of that resource due to so theoretical issue is asinine.

And just because we don't have a clause where we can force a deal through doesn't necessarily mean Madrid won't be willing to deal next summer. After the loan, and given Rodgers' relationship with Mourinho, we'd likely have first refusal rights if/when Sahin did become available for a permanent move.


I've already declared on how his acquiring his signature will augment our chances for the Top 4. Yet what is known is players of his quality are sometimes needed to have the team built around them to a certain degree and especially considering his role. Pirlo for Juve, Sneijder for Inter, Ibra for majority of his teams, Laudrup, Zidane etc all had the tactical system adjusted to suit them given their quality as otherwise the performance isn't optimized. Obviously given Rodger's tactical variability he will adjust suit yet I am only posting some of my concerns. Its is also known that a certain gap is felt when a player of such quality departs the club from his loan time frame as my other concern is hopefully Rodgers can adapt to this future dilemma as well. Making full-use of him can create that potential gap felt as numerous teams who have undergone a similar situation have felt the ramifications of the situation. I hope our midfield will not become one where it will be relied on Sahin for creativity given the inconsistencies and youth developments of our midfield.

As for getting his signature, Mourinho's friendship with Rodgers is an outlier considering Perez and Sanchez hold far more say in these proceedings then Mourinho does despite the managers false pretences on his own influence. Madrid are known to be very shrewd businessmen and do not sell for cheap as especially if they see their loaned product thriving. They have made this clear they do not want to sell along with Sahin's personal ambitions of succeeding in Madrid.

Many assumptions have been made in the above two paragraphs as most of them are unquantifiable. In the end it comes down to how well Rodgers uses Sahin keeping the future in mind along with the skill of our staff in persuasion to sign a permanent signature.

Until then lets revel in the closest thing we have to Xabi Alonso. Top 4 looks good.


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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:03 am

Awesome post on RAWK:

Our skill levels have gone up

Sahin’s come. Assaidi’s here. Joe Allen’s already bedding in. Suddenly we have a lot of skill in the team. We have players who are ambitious on the ball and who can beat men.

As is well known Brendan Rodgers wants to create a Liverpool team which dominates possession and that means a team which can pass the ball fluently. But passing in football is the simple-looking thing that is hard to do. It becomes easier with clever movement off the ball and comfort on it. It becomes easier still if you have players who are able to beat a man with the ball at their feet and who can escape the attentions of their marker while retaining possession. These are players whose first thought on getting the ball is ‘how can I hurt the opposition?’ rather than ‘how can I get this thing to someone who knows better than me?’ They are players who look for constructive ways to solve problems rather than simply passing those problems on to a teammate in a worse position.

Liverpool have been short of players of this type for a long time. Too often the main instinct of most of our lads, when under pressure, has been to play safe and off-load. It’s why so much of our passing has quickly run into cul-de-sacs and why typically, after four or five attempts at trying to work the ball out from the back, the thing would be rolled all the way back to Pepe Reina to boot upfield.

Rodgers has obviously started by changing the tactics and the mind-set of the squad he inherited. Everyone can plainly see the revolutionary - for us - positions that the defenders and defensive central midfielders take up when Pepe has the ball for example. But in the last fortnight he’s also brought in three footballers with a high degree of technical skill and a preference for taking out an opponent by the direct means of dribbling past him or provoking him into an area of the pitch he doesn’t want to be in. It’s also why he’s given a first start, as well as loads of moral encouragement, to the amazing Raheem Sterling whose football is all about destroying the man nearest to him.

The Rodgers ideal is that all 11 players can, if the situation calls for it, take out an opponent with a feint or a dribble. This includes the goalkeeper. This kind of football can be risky but the rewards for getting it right are high. It also becomes less risky the more skill and courage you have in the team. Despite the West Brom fiasco it’s been an exciting month for most of us because we can see how the skill quotient at Liverpool has increased – even dramatically increased. Only a fool would say expect to see a misfiring team suddenly hitting bulls-eye in every match. Most of us will be patient I think.

Nevertheless, expect to hear of lot of football pundits decry the Rodgers strategy this season. Some will even want the experiment to fail – not because they hate Liverpool, let alone hate Rodgers (who seems universally liked), but because the Rodgers approach violates their own sense of the way football should be played and has been played for donkey’s years on these islands (which, oddly, is often the way they played it). In a way that perhaps only psycho-analysts could explain a successful tiki-taka team (for want of a better word) in England will come as a massive slap in the face to so many football people.

As a postscript it need hardly be said that the most important player in all this is Daniel Agger. He’s the one who is going to be seeing more ball at his feet than any other player in the team. A new contract for Agger would be nice.

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Post by vanDEEZ on Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:30 am

so is it pretty much set that liverpool will play a 4-3-3 with sahin, lucas and allen in the middle?

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Post by Don't call me James on Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:34 am

Not really.......we are just guessing what BR will do, but 4-3-3 with Lucas-Allen-Sahin looks the likeliest if Gerrard is moved to the front 3. However, if Stevie isn't moved to the front three then he's a definite starter in the midfield 3, so one of Lucas, Allen, and Sahin would have to rotate.

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Post by Red Alert on Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:57 am

Certain it'll be Allen - Lucas - Sahin against Arsenal.

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Post by Red Alert on Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:30 am

@ Arq:
We don’t need an option to buy though, do we?

It’s quite clear that he wants to stay at RM and fight for a spot so he wouldn’t have came if this was the case. He’s not really our best midfielder now is he? Lucas is. Gerrard whilst good at CM is A LOT better in the front 3 so Sahin coming would get our best finisher into the final third on a regular basis. Lucas has also had a long-term injury in the past and we had no quality to replace him and to an extent, we do now albeit more Allen than Sahin.

Adding to that, we have potentially 70 games this season. Whilst Shelvey and Henderson are highly rated young players, they don’t have the quality just yet to help dominate games so would be great options against the lesser sides or coming off the bench. They both will get games this year, so Sahin won’t steal time off them.

Sahin’s arrival also potentially spells the end to Adam and Spearing – which is massive. Mediocrity breeds mediocrity. We saw it when we signed Carroll and brought in Adam and Downing to compliment him so getting rid of them will open up space for Suso, one I rate very highly. Saying that, that’s no disrespect to Spearing and Adam, they are good players in their own way but they’re not players that should be part of a squad that wants top four – they just don’t fit that into that category.

Rodgers won’t make Sahin the main man, if anything he’s here to help compliment Suarez and help Luis out. Suarez has the burden of having to create and finish his own chances, so by the time he shoots he is exhausted and rushes into the shot. Sahin knows how to create so would put them on a plate to Suarez.

He also would be a massive help to fight for the top four, which gets us to sign quality again. Happy with this loan. Smile

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Post by Fahim89 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:59 am

A deal of such magnitude was badly needed to answer a lot questions & also to create a midfield to be feared.

Sahin adds quality in ways we have lacked for some time now. Our manager has gone out & fulfilled that.

Period.

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Post by Arquitescu on Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:19 am

ynwa wrote:@ Arq:
We don’t need an option to buy though, do we?

It’s quite clear that he wants to stay at RM and fight for a spot so he wouldn’t have came if this was the case. He’s not really our best midfielder now is he? Lucas is. Gerrard whilst good at CM is A LOT better in the front 3 so Sahin coming would get our best finisher into the final third on a regular basis. Lucas has also had a long-term injury in the past and we had no quality to replace him and to an extent, we do now albeit more Allen than Sahin.

Adding to that, we have potentially 70 games this season. Whilst Shelvey and Henderson are highly rated young players, they don’t have the quality just yet to help dominate games so would be great options against the lesser sides or coming off the bench. They both will get games this year, so Sahin won’t steal time off them.

Sahin’s arrival also potentially spells the end to Adam and Spearing – which is massive. Mediocrity breeds mediocrity. We saw it when we signed Carroll and brought in Adam and Downing to compliment him so getting rid of them will open up space for Suso, one I rate very highly. Saying that, that’s no disrespect to Spearing and Adam, they are good players in their own way but they’re not players that should be part of a squad that wants top four – they just don’t fit that into that category.

Rodgers won’t make Sahin the main man, if anything he’s here to help compliment Suarez and help Luis out. Suarez has the burden of having to create and finish his own chances, so by the time he shoots he is exhausted and rushes into the shot. Sahin knows how to create so would put them on a plate to Suarez.

He also would be a massive help to fight for the top four, which gets us to sign quality again. Happy with this loan. Smile

Great post as usual ynwa.

Mate it all comes down to me simply whining on how we could not acquire his permanent signature as its spurns from all the weeks I was so anxious and excited for a successful deal. My earlier thoughts are based mostly on assumptions and reactive responses yet its clear to me with the help of your thoughts and personal contemplation that even if it is JUST a loan deal, it'll significantly assist us to Top 4, as the latter would bring wonders to this club.

I hope Henderson can be included though as I didn't have Shelvey in mind. To be honest I've never been a fan of Shelvey really as Hendo is more a prospect for me.

Back on topic, hopefully it pans out well for us as I'm sure Rodgers has a plan.

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