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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by vanDEEZ on Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:47 am

@Roundsquare wrote:Everyone in here is basically an Ozil fanboy

so you think its more likely that everyone here is an ozil fanboy, but its only coincidence that you join the forums the second kaka has 1 good game and reply to only kaka themed threads. right, youre the unbiased one and everyone else are biased fanboys.

right, of course that makes sense.

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Kaka and OZil have about the same speed, I'm not alone in noting this, even football-centric websites like goal.com indicate that they have the same speed.

ive officially heard enough, he just cited goal.com as a credible source. pack your things guys, no need to be in the madrid section anymore.

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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by huntsman on Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:53 am

@vanDEEZ wrote:
@Roundsquare wrote:Everyone in here is basically an Ozil fanboy

so you think its more likely that everyone here is an ozil fanboy, but its only coincidence that you join the forums the second kaka has 1 good game and reply to only kaka themed threads. right, youre the unbiased one and everyone else are biased fanboys.

right, of course that makes sense.

@Roundsquare wrote:

Kaka and OZil have about the same speed, I'm not alone in noting this, even football-centric websites like goal.com indicate that they have the same speed.

ive officially heard enough, he just cited goal.com as a credible source. pack your things guys, no need to be in the madrid section anymore.

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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by pewpew on Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:23 am

kaka deserves play time. He should move back to Brazil imo. No place for him with Özil and Modric around who are both young and will improve even more while Kaka is only getting older.

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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by Roundsquare on Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:01 am

@vanDEEZ wrote:
@Roundsquare wrote:Everyone in here is basically an Ozil fanboy

so you think its more likely that everyone here is an ozil fanboy, but its only coincidence that you join the forums the second kaka has 1 good game and reply to only kaka themed threads. right, youre the unbiased one and everyone else are biased fanboys.

right, of course that makes sense.

@Roundsquare wrote:

Kaka and OZil have about the same speed, I'm not alone in noting this, even football-centric websites like goal.com indicate that they have the same speed.

ive officially heard enough, he just cited goal.com as a credible source. pack your things guys, no need to be in the madrid section anymore.


So I should rather refer to you for all football facts? I have a hard time believing that you're a more unbiased or knowledgeable source than goal.com, at least goal.com has got no axe to grind that I'm aware of; hence I see no reason to not occasionaly consider the analysis of its pundits.

Instead of mocking the provided source demonstrate it's wrong in this case its conclusion that Kaka and Ozil have the same speed.

As for there being no room at Madrid for Kaka, I don't agree Kaka can fill in for Ozil especially when the latter is not performing so well as is the case right now, Modric is a player who can play deeper and there's no pressing need to start him in the CAM position especially with Kaka's return to form. kaka provides the coach with rotation options as well. I'm surprised by your short sightedness.

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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by vanDEEZ on Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:09 pm

goal.com is a grabage source of information. i wouldnt wipe my ass with that stuff.

youre clearly new to following football or else you would know sites like goal.com and other subjective websites are biased as f*ck towards high profile players as well as being all around terrible sources of information.

half the posters on this forum are more knowledgable than those dummies
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by FalcaoPunch on Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:11 pm

There is a reason we call it lol.com
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by Roundsquare on Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:08 pm

If your so full of knowledge and unbiased why do you appeal to logical fallacies (ad hominems) to condemn a website. if you wish to be taken seriously by an outsider like myself you'll have to do a little better to argue your case as opposed to using insults, but I can relate to some degree it's easier to insult than make an actual case. I really expected you to overpower me with your superior football knownledge by now, guess I was expecting too much.

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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by vanDEEZ on Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:32 pm

@Roundsquare wrote:If your so full of knowledge and unbiased why do you appeal to logical fallacies (ad hominems) to condemn a website. if you wish to be taken seriously by an outsider like myself you'll have to do a little better to argue your case as opposed to using insults, but I can relate to some degree it's easier to insult than make an actual case. I really expected you to overpower me with your superior football knownledge by now, guess I was expecting too much.

do you know what ad hominem means? i minored in philosophy with an emphasis on logic..

i am condemning a website because they are fundamentally biased and dont produce quality information. how is that not relavant to a deciding whether a website is credible or not?

please come back when you have something to say that isnt beyond your own grasp of knowledge.
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by Roundsquare on Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:19 pm

@vanDEEZ wrote:"they (goal.com) are fundamentally biased and dont produce quality information"

Care to provide examples of this bias? However are you not biased?

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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by Donuts on Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:48 pm

This thread is so :facepalm: He is holding up proper debates and all you guys do is bash whatever he says without saying anything to defend yourself.

@Ganso wrote:you guys are seriously discussing who should start Laughing ozil is 24 kaka is 30,that should say enough
Age is such a factor why is it Brazil whos team is mainly young players suck, but as soon as an older player LIKE KAKA comes in you guys are managing to score 4-5 goals a game.

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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by Donuts on Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:01 pm

Another game where he starts and his first half was the best half for Madrid, although not his fault Ronaldo misses sitters
As soon as he left, Madrid slowed their game, Di Maria didn't preform as well as Kaka.
Another assist for the Brazilian.

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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by halamadrid2 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:39 pm

what????

Our first half was horrendous, couldn't keep the ball to save our lives, we wereleft chasing the ball like fcking ghosts we had one shot on target in the first half

In the second when he left, we played calmly and kept the possession, DiMaria could've gotten at least 5 assists today if Callegoat and Ronaldo hadn't missed 1v1s, so quit lying thank you very much

There is a reason kaka barely plays more than a half for us
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by Cyborg on Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:53 pm

kaka was poor thats the reason he came off.

i applaud him for his energy, but lately he is full of running but nothing else.

he just not the same anymore, i can see he tries but he just has lost a little bit of everything that was key to his game

and what he has lost is what made him a great player.

he has to reinvent himself to become a key member of this squad. i dont knw how or if he has to play in a different position but he has to do something.


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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by Valkyrja on Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:49 pm

He's main qualities were his pace, dribbling, balance, acceleration. He has lost everything,(like the guy before said, what made him great)

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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by vanDEEZ on Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:40 am

@Donuts wrote:Another game where he starts and his first half was the best half for Madrid, although not his fault Ronaldo misses sitters
As soon as he left, Madrid slowed their game, Di Maria didn't preform as well as Kaka.
Another assist for the Brazilian.

i feel like you have some sort of motive to be defending kaka because first of all we definitely didnt play better in the first half, and his 'assist' had nothing to do with that wonder goal by higgy.

merely an underwhelming performance, and was justified to be subbed at half.
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by Mamad on Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:17 am

Ozil is a gem, young and has room to improve. Kaka is a star who is past his best.

We can't start Kaka instead of Ozil just because he is kaka.

seriously, a good game against Ajax ( easiest team to win against for us ), a good game against Iraq and other friendly i can't remember. seriously?

Ozil is our big game player now. last season against bayern in CL, this season against Barca many times, and other big games its Ozil who shines.

Ozil should be starter and we need to build the team around him. no other way. Kaka is a lovely and great personality but he can go back to Milan. we are paying him 10 million a year ffs.
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by huntsman on Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:45 am

While you lot are still discussing the validity of including Kaka in the madrid formation (as a starting player), Madrid continues to suffer defeat after defeat; lately against the humble Borrusia Dortmund.

You will never learn or understand the pattern behind madrid's poor performance.

By all means, continue to argue while your team gets eliminated from the CL after La Liga has become almost a lost case.
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by the xcx on Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:47 am

Well I did want Özil to be subbed for Kaka in second half of the game. He would have more impact to the game, as Özil kept disappearing.
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by huntsman on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:05 pm

Kaka is the difference between Madrid being ordinary and them being great.
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by halamadrid2 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:43 pm

yh and he showed it against Alcoyano.... wait
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by huntsman on Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:32 am

It's baffling how when a player like kaka starts finding his form gifting madrid 3 points after another with wins that only get better, only to find his way to warming the bench.

Mourinho will continue to be stubborn, fans ignorant, and madrid will not win a single major trophy this season.

The only positive outcome from this is that mourinho will be fired.
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by vanDEEZ on Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:55 am

you just copy and pasted this in a different thread..
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by huntsman on Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:58 am

yes i had it posted in the general section also to bring it to the attention of non madrid fans.
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by FalcaoPunch on Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:04 am

Huntsman you do have a point
Kaka will hit form the Mou benches him. It's odd
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Re: Ozil (2013) or Kaka (2013)

Post by Guest on Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:56 am

Ozil with the assist for the first goal and come up with the equalising goal in the 89', absolute boss.

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Post by huntsman on Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:58 am

@Crimson wrote:Ozil with the assist for the first goal and come up with the equalising goal in the 89', absolute boss.

I commend your "half glass full" view of things, but i am gonna have to be frank with you here; If Kaka played; Madrid wont even have to resort to those type of adrenaline rush moments of gambling.

Think about the next round, the knock out stages, when madrid are going to face real contenders, think about the inevitable. Sure the glass is half full, but there is nothing wrong in risk analysis / management.

A glass half full wont be enough to knock out other teams with a glass completely full and have a 50/50 chance of knocking out teams with a glass half full.

Madrid, Ozil Alonso, Modric, Iker, Mourinho, you name it, right now, the magic is lost. Even 4 - 0 wins are unconvincing these days.

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