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Post by FCBarça on Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:28 am

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Re: Should we buy......

Post by FCBarça on Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:37 am

@The Franchise wrote:
Anyway, this is pointless. We arent going to do shit, we never do.

Afellay was only 2 years ago

Vilanova has met with sports director Zubizarreta and has asked the club to sign a center back during the January transfer window. [elconfid]
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:41 pm

I agree that the club isn't looking to sell Masche, otherwise they wouldn't have renewed his contract til 2016. Doesn't mean we shouldn't though Razz

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Post by alexjanosik on Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:46 pm

Ideally we should buy a CB in winter.
Pique has been very poor for one and a half seasons now.Dont know whether he will drop the punk act and come back to form.
Puyol keeps getting injured.Masch,as hard as he tries is just not a CB.Keeps making mistakes.
Abidal is not coming back,atleast not anywhere close to the player he was.
Relying on Song is foolish.
If we are to compete on all fronts,we need a quality CB.But if at all we do buy a player in winter,I expect it to be a DM who we will then try to convert to a CB.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:48 pm

@alexjanosik wrote:If we are to compete on all fronts,we need a quality CB.But if at all we do buy a player in winter,I expect it to be a DM who we will then try to convert to a CB.
I don't think we would be foolish enough to make the same mistake twice.

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Post by alexjanosik on Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:09 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@alexjanosik wrote:If we are to compete on all fronts,we need a quality CB.But if at all we do buy a player in winter,I expect it to be a DM who we will then try to convert to a CB.
I don't think we would be foolish enough to make the same mistake twice.

Most of our transfers are foolish.You are probably right but I wouldnt be surprised if we make the same mistake.

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Post by BizzBon3 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:31 pm

So everyone here agrees that Dede would be our best bet? Say we don't buy anyone this Winter. Who would you guys want us to go after as soon as the season ends?
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Post by The Franchise on Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:03 am

@FCBarça wrote:
@The Franchise wrote:
Anyway, this is pointless. We arent going to do shit, we never do.

Afellay was only 2 years ago

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I meant, we dont do anything regarding our centerback problems.

I dont remember a time Barca went, okay, we have a problem at centerback, lets solve it.

Either they do experiements or players perform above what you expect (Pique, Abidal, Marqueez).
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Post by Jack Daniels on Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:17 am

Imagine the time Xavi was still playing deep.

How i wish he was turned into a CB rather than placed in the center.
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Post by FCBarça on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:28 am

@alexjanosik wrote:Ideally we should buy a CB in winter.
Pique has been very poor for one and a half seasons now.Dont know whether he will drop the punk act and come back to form.
Puyol keeps getting injured.Masch,as hard as he tries is just not a CB.Keeps making mistakes.
Abidal is not coming back,atleast not anywhere close to the player he was.
Relying on Song is foolish.
If we are to compete on all fronts,we need a quality CB.But if at all we do buy a player in winter,I expect it to be a DM who we will then try to convert to a CB.

Sounds a lot like what I wrote, are you Einstein?...Or Stephen Hawking?
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Post by danyjr on Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:47 pm

De Boer tried to convince Barça sign Vertonghen. He's been sensational for Spurs so far. I think as someone said, the departure of Keita made Barça have to look for a two-in-one option considering their budget. Song is the answer to what Barça needed though.

Rest assured, Barça are saving up for a star signing next summer.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:28 pm

Keita's departure shouldn't have made us look for a 2 in 1, though. Thiago can play DM well and we have other promising players in the cantera for it. He was surplus and didn't need replacing.

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Post by Donuts on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:50 pm

Thiago doesn't offer the same defensive abilities in the DM spot as Song, I understand why Barcelona bought him because we need a substitute for Busquets even though he rarely gets injured, just wish we had bought a CB
but other then that Song hasn't been a bad buy just adds more depth to the team.

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Post by Madvillain on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:15 pm

Masch and JDS would've been more than enough back-up for Busi. The guy is tough as nails and rarely needs someone to fill in for him anyway. We would've been able to spend 20M on a defender, had we just trusted Masch and JDS with the task. Now it is probable that JDS will leave due to the zero amount of playing time he's getting. I won't be lying awake over that but it's still a waste.

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Post by Donuts on Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:16 pm

Let's be honest though JDS is not in Song's level, in terms of ability and physique.
Not a horrible buy but not a good one either.

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Post by FCBarça on Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:12 am

Vertonghen was a failure on the part of the club, frankly...How can a former player offer up one of their own players and still get rebuffed?...Somehow there was a disconnect or failure to really scout the player...Shame but that ship has sailed already
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Post by Madvillain on Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:58 am

@Donuts wrote:Let's be honest though JDS is not in Song's level, in terms of ability and physique.
Not a horrible buy but not a good one either.

That's not what I said. All I am saying is that Busi pretty much never needs a replacement and that we have two players able to fill his role if needed. We all know Masche wasn't a real homerun for us as a DM, but he can manage for a single game. And sure JDS isn't as good as Song in terms of an all-round qualification to fill that role, but he's a canterano who needs his (occasional) playing time at the first team to keep developing. Based on what we've seen from Song in the role as DM, he's better. But the key word here is that we would've been able to manage without him. Now we have defence like a Swiss cheese and we aren't actually managing it that well without a fit Puyi and Piqué. Wink Had we bought a defender like Dede or Vertonghen, we most probably would´ve been better at the back. Granted, both of these players would(´ve been) (be) a risk as they ha(d)(ve) not played in a top league (before), but it would've been a risk I would've liked to take over signing a replacement for Keita (which was something we didn't need in the first place as we had all of the positions well covered on midfield) and playing him in defence.

Sorry about that one sentence, hehe. I think I did it right though, can a English native speaker confirm? Razz

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Post by BarcaKizz on Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:26 am

I agree we should have signed Vertonghen (LB, CB, DM) all in one. Guy is a beast and he was cheap.

No idea why we didnt sign him.
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Post by CBarca on Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:37 pm

@BarcaKizz wrote:I agree we should have signed Vertonghen (LB, CB, DM) all in one. Guy is a beast and he was cheap.

No idea why we didnt sign him.

Good with the ball too, as all Barca players must be. At least as good with the ball as Masch is, if not better. Left footed, cheap, was willing to come, former captain, and fairly young too.

Would have been a cheap solution to all of our problems, in a way. And despite the fact that he wouldn't be first choice in any of those positions, his versatility combined with our recent injury problems would have solved any kind of dispute over playing minutes.

That being said, he also isn't yet at the level of the world class CB we would have wanted. But if we were going to get someone like Song instead, Vertonghen would have been a much better option.

It's a shame, really. At least a proper club like Spurs got him, though.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:43 pm

I remember at the time a lot of the users here didn't think too highly of Vert. It's not just the club that wasn't crazy about him, but also the fans.

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Post by danyjr on Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:30 pm

You are right, but considering most people here don't watch Eredivisie, that's not a surprise.

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Post by Le Samourai on Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:48 pm

I think there was consensus that he was a good player and a good talent. The criticism was that he's a bit slow.

That was until he said Tottenham was a great club and that he would prefer them over Arsenal.

Then he became garbage.

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Post by The Sanchez on Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:14 am

@BarcaKizz wrote:I agree we should have signed Vertonghen (LB, CB, DM) all in one. Guy is a beast and he was cheap.

No idea why we didnt sign him.

This. :coffee: We were interested in him but never persisted. Instead got Song who is a DM trying to be converted to a centreback... ffss..
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Post by FennecFox7 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:31 am

@Le Samourai wrote:I think there was consensus that he was a good player and a good talent. The criticism was that he's a bit slow.

That was until he said Tottenham was a great club and that he would prefer them over Arsenal.

Then he became garbage.
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Post by CBarca on Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:27 am

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:I remember at the time a lot of the users here didn't think too highly of Vert. It's not just the club that wasn't crazy about him, but also the fans.

I don't particularly remember people saying they didn't like him, more that they didn't watch him. Although I do remember people saying he was slow.

It's too bad really. Oh well.

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Post by BarcaKizz on Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:53 am

Quite a few people who said he was slow had never even seen him play though.

He's not really slow at all. Its just he's big and so he looks slow. A bit like Kompany, you wouldn't say he's slow. IMO he's actually quite a fast mover when he's going.

The thing is he's not quick off the mark and turns a little slowly, but this is worse at LB. He's generally good positionally and reads the game well (this is like Puyol, who isn't that quick either, but his brain works quickly), so this makes him better than Song and maybe Masch already as neither really make the right movements for a CB. It doesn't come naturally.

Even if Song was as fast as Usain Bolt I'd take Vertonghen. IMO we just need a natural defender. We shouldn't be scared of signing someone who isn't lightning just because Chygrynskiy was an epic fail.

I'm not saying he's the perfect fit, but he was cheaper than Song...
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