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Post by RealGunner on 28/3/2019, 18:50

@silver wrote:Is Neymar really better or achieved more than Kaka? I don't feel Neymar has really done anything. Is this supposed to be his prime?


Interesting question

ESPN Brazil ran a poll of the 10 greatest brazilian players and Kaka was 7th on that list. Neymar didn't make it.

I don't think Neymar has achieved more than Kaka. Kaka's best was better than Neymar's best as of yet personally.

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Post by Unique on 28/3/2019, 20:17

didi hamann ended his career in the 2005 champions lge final. kaka suffered from PTSD after that.

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Post by Warrior on 28/3/2019, 21:12

Neymar isn't a likeable figure, as opposed to Kaka. It hurts him when it comes to make those rankings.

And, despite having a crazy talent, he is the leader of a poor generation for Brazil NT. He won a gold medal vs U23 and a confed cup.
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Post by M99 on 29/3/2019, 00:23

@Unique wrote:didi hamann ended his career in the 2005 champions lge final. kaka suffered from PTSD after that.


Yeah, so much PTSD that he ripped Pool's defence with a through ball 2 years later and won Balon D Or and a CL.

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Post by BarcaLearning on 30/3/2019, 12:19

Just my humble opinion, but Kaka's career just went down towards the latter end way too quickly to be considered one of the absolute best for me. Obviously he did a lot with Milan, but I remember when he joined Real, was around the time with CR, he did ok but CR completely outshone him and he struggled to much to regain his best. For Brazil, nothing that really stands out?
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Post by titosantill on 30/3/2019, 14:29

tbh if i had to pick between prime kaka and prime neymar, i think i'm going neymar. his pace may not be that of kaka's in his prime, but neymar is fast in his own right, just as skillful, way better at direct free kicks, and can score and create goals.

as far as their careers so far, kaka edges that. he has the 07/08 season to his name, his moment in the sun; neymar hasn't had one of those yet. neymar is in that position kobe was when shaq left, prior to kobe's 2 final mvps and 2 championships.

career, so far, kaka. better player, in my opinion i'm picking neymar first over 2003-2007 kaka
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Post by futbol_bill on 30/3/2019, 18:46

Nah, Tito , I have to disagree. Neymar has always looked like a potential star, but at Barcelona he was always in the shadow of Messi and to a lessor extent to Suarez.

He had his opportunity the last two years (both at PSG and with Brasil NT), but has come up flat both times and now is operating in the shadow of Mbappe.

I agree it is hard to view Kaka among the all time greats because of his lack of longevity, but he accomplished much more than Neymar has. Not sure either belong (or will) to a list of all time greats.

@Barcalearning, by the way, Kaka's peek was over before he got to Madrid. Interesting his Pugalgia (same injury that Messi is reported to have now) was apparent at Milan. Madrid simply bought damaged goods and were stuck with him and his contract for several years.


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Post by The Madrid One on 30/3/2019, 19:03

Been a while since I've seen lots of footage of Kaka, but i will say something i always found interesting in him.

Kaka was mostly an advanced central attacking midfielder that liked to run into space/run past defenders in his prime. His technique with the ball and running style were very much in sync with the idea of galloping towards and past defenders, which ultimately was his undoing at the very end imo.  

At 6 feet 1 and more than 180 pounds, Kaka had the body to play as an interior/central midfielder akin to Modric, but he never did, did he? Even after 2010 when he lost his speed to constantly blaze past defenders. Kaka doesn't seem to me like the player who could play in more backwards and static positions where his defending and long range passing/distribution/vision would come into play.

It was sad to see Kaka try to emulate his former self by scoring goals against nobody clubs like Mallorca or Real Murcia. In short, i'm not a big fan of his dribbling and movement style, Jese Rodriguez was similar, his career was over after the infamous game against Shalke.
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Post by titosantill on 30/3/2019, 20:41

@futbol_bill wrote:Nah, Tito , I have to disagree. Neymar has always looked like a potential star, but at Barcelona he was always in the shadow of Messi and to a lessor extent to Suarez.

He had his opportunity the last two years (both at PSG and with Brasil NT), but has come up flat both times and now is operating in the shadow of Mbappe.

I agree it is hard to view Kaka among the all time greats because of his lack of longevity, but he accomplished much more than Neymar has. Not sure either belong (or will) to a list of all time greats.

@Barcalearning, by the way, Kaka's peek was over before he got to Madrid. Interesting his Pugalgia (same injury that Messi is reported to have now) was apparent at Milan. Madrid simply bought damaged goods and were stuck with him and his contract for several years.


I'm looking at them skill for skill, everything kaka could do, neymar can do. Maybe neymar may not be a better passer due to his position. But kaka himself wasnt known as some ball distributor. Neymar's a lot better at set pieces and isnt bad when it comes to creating chances. If I had to pick one or the other, I'm taking neymar. But so far kaka has had the better career, based mainly on that 07/08 season
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Post by Doc on 30/3/2019, 21:03

@M99 wrote:
@Unique wrote:didi hamann ended his career in the 2005 champions lge final. kaka suffered from PTSD after that.


Yeah, so much PTSD that he ripped Pool's defence with a through ball 2 years later and won Balon D Or and a CL.

I guess both Kaka and Inzaghi caused so much hurt to Unique that he got temporary memory loss from that.

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Post by Unique on 30/3/2019, 21:18

@Doc wrote:
@M99 wrote:
@Unique wrote:didi hamann ended his career in the 2005 champions lge final. kaka suffered from PTSD after that.


Yeah, so much PTSD that he ripped Pool's defence with a through ball 2 years later and won Balon D Or and a CL.

I guess both Kaka and Inzaghi caused so much hurt to Unique that he got temporary memory loss from that.
shevchenko never recovered from the 2005 final either. the pen miss ended him. :coffee:

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