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Post by futbol_bill on Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:19 pm

I would like to see a different formation for Madrid. (I saw it in play yesterday with Spain's U20). They played a 4-4-2 system.

The midfield was a duel pivot and the outside were wingers. That way we can play CR7 with Benzema or Higgy, and have Di Maria, Callejon or Neymar or Ozil or Marcelo or Coentrao on wings and Alonso and Sahin / Khedira in the dual pivot.

Just talking about this gets me excited. I also think with 4 in MF, that can go a long ways towards conteracting Barca's midfield!!!!!!!!!!!!.

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Post by Arvin14 on Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:48 am

4-3-1-2

Benzema - Aguero
Ozil
Ronaldo - Sahin - Di Maria
Coentrao - Pepe - Carvalho - Ramos
Casillas

Strikers: Benzema (1st Striker/Centre Forward) and Aguero (2nd Striker/Withrawn Forward)
Playmaker: Ozil
Wingers: Ronaldo and Di Maria
Deep-lying Playmaker: Sahin
Wing-Backs: Coentrao and Ramos
Centre-Backs: Carvalho and Pepe

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Post by futbol_bill on Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:27 pm

@Arvin14 wrote:4-3-1-2

Benzema - Aguero
Ozil
Ronaldo - Sahin - Di Maria
Coentrao - Pepe - Carvalho - Ramos
Casillas

Strikers: Benzema (1st Striker/Centre Forward) and Aguero (2nd Striker/Withrawn Forward)
Playmaker: Ozil
Wingers: Ronaldo and Di Maria
Deep-lying Playmaker: Sahin
Wing-Backs: Coentrao and Ramos
Centre-Backs: Carvalho and Pepe


???? Aguero has long since gone from ant Madrid plans. Are you out of touch?
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Post by huntsman on Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:35 pm

this is the best we can do with if we sign moderic and neymar

--------------iker---------------
Altintop---Ramos---Khedira--Coentrao
Ozil-------Moderic-------Sahin------Neymar
----------CR7 ---------Benz-----------

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Post by Ganso on Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:40 pm

LMAO
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Post by Baraa on Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:08 pm

@huntsman wrote:this is the best we can do with if we sign moderic and neymar

--------------iker---------------
Altintop---Ramos---Khedira--Coentrao
Ozil-------Moderic-------Sahin------Neymar
----------CR7 ---------Benz-----------


how are u putting altintop as a right back?
wait.....khedira ....cb?

no marcelo????
no alonso??????
no pepe???

and you barca as the team you support!!!!

is there anything right in this whole thing??????????

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Post by Le Samourai on Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:19 pm

Anyone think that this can work long term..

...................Casillas.................
.....Pepe.........Ramos.........Varane
.........................................................Marcelo
............Sahin.............Xabi................
....................Ozil...............................
..........................................Benzema..
.........................Ronaldo.....................

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Post by vanDEEZ on Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:53 pm

BaraaTKF992 wrote:
@huntsman wrote:this is the best we can do with if we sign moderic and neymar

--------------iker---------------
Altintop---Ramos---Khedira--Coentrao
Ozil-------Moderic-------Sahin------Neymar
----------CR7 ---------Benz-----------


how are u putting altintop as a right back?
wait.....khedira ....cb?

no marcelo????
no alonso??????
no pepe???

and you barca as the team you support!!!!

is there anything right in this whole thing??????????

you must have just started following this forum if you are still shocked by anything huntsman says.


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sahin khedira xabi
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Post by estrella bernabeu on Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:28 pm

Hola a todos cheers

This is my first visit to your forum and i'm happy to share with you some points of view about our beloved Real Madrid.

I think that Mourinho has already put the best eleven on the pitch. In the small matchs when you are playing the 18 la Liga teams (except Barcelona), i think that putting Ramos as a back right is nice but when you face Barça, Manchester and other european big clubs Arbeloa become more useful.
However, i'm quite sure that SR4's predilection post is centre back, and you can review his matchs in this position and you're gonna see that he has often excelled. From this point, i can see Our starting eleven againt Zaragoza as a typical one (Khedira by Coentrao) and like i said, in the big matchs slipping SR as center MDF and putting Arbeloa in his place will be much better.

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Post by I-no on Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:34 pm

@estrella bernabeu wrote:Hola a todos cheers

This is my first visit to your forum and i'm happy to share with you some points of view about our beloved Real Madrid.

I think that Mourinho has already put the best eleven on the pitch. In the small matchs when you are playing the 18 la Liga teams (except Barcelona), i think that putting Ramos as a back right is nice but when you face Barça, Manchester and other european big clubs Arbeloa become more useful.
However, i'm quite sure that SR4's predilection post is centre back, and you can review his matchs in this position and you're gonna see that he has often excelled. From this point, i can see Our starting eleven againt Zaragoza as a typical one (Khedira by Coentrao) and like i said, in the big matchs slipping SR as center MDF and putting Arbeloa in his place will be much better.
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Post by guest7 on Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:34 pm

@estrella bernabeu wrote:Hola a todos cheers

This is my first visit to your forum and i'm happy to share with you some points of view about our beloved Real Madrid.

I think that Mourinho has already put the best eleven on the pitch. In the small matchs when you are playing the 18 la Liga teams (except Barcelona), i think that putting Ramos as a back right is nice but when you face Barça, Manchester and other european big clubs Arbeloa become more useful.
However, i'm quite sure that SR4's predilection post is centre back, and you can review his matchs in this position and you're gonna see that he has often excelled. From this point, i can see Our starting eleven againt Zaragoza as a typical one (Khedira by Coentrao) and like i said, in the big matchs slipping SR as center MDF and putting Arbeloa in his place will be much better.

welcome Very Happy I can see our eleven change though once sahin comes back... too great player to be just bench/rotation
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Post by Giovanni10 on Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:55 am

Haven't contributed here for a while, I think our best line-up at the moment with available players would be

-------------------------Casillas-----------------------------
Arbeloa---------Pepe--------------Ramos-----Coentrao
---------------Khedira--------------Xabi--------------------
-----------------------------Ozil-------------------------------
Kaka-----------------Benzema--------------------Ronaldo

With obvious position switching with the front 3

*Coentrao (although effective) has been a bit of a headless chicken at the back, I would like to tie him down to the left side only

*Omission of Carvalho for obvious reasons

* Going to stick my neck out here even though I'm a Fancelo and say that he hasn't started this campaign as well as he ended the last, maybe a bit of time on the bench will help him re-focus.

* Again sticking my neck out to drop Di Maria, who is playing well... but I don't feel as though he is linking properly with the rest of the forwards.. only his individual bits of brilliance have saved him. Still think he is a great player.
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Post by Guest on Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:24 pm

-------------------------Casillas
Arbeloa---------Pepe--------------Ramos----------Marcelo
----------------------------Xabi
--------------Sahin-------------------Khedira
-----------------------------Ozil
---------------Benzema------------Ronaldo

My ultimate line-up personally speaking

Di Maria/Callejon as a super sub if and when needed
Kaka for Ozil rotation
Higgy/Morata for Benz or Ronaldo/rotation/starting whatever
Coentrao/Altintop/Lass/Granero/Alex for midfield rotation
Varane/Carvalho for backup CB
Coentrao for Marcelo lb backup
Ramos/Carvajal for RB backup duties
Nacho if needed for any other
Adan for Casillas if ever needed

I think that covers everything




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Post by Mr Nick09 on Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:48 pm

@Crimson wrote:-------------------------Casillas
Arbeloa---------Pepe--------------Ramos----------Marcelo
----------------------------Xabi
--------------Sahin-------------------Khedira
-----------------------------Ozil
---------------Benzema------------Ronaldo

My ultimate line-up personally speaking

Di Maria/Callejon as a super sub if and when needed
Kaka for Ozil rotation
Higgy/Morata for Benz or Ronaldo/rotation/starting whatever
Coentrao/Altintop/Lass/Granero/Alex for midfield rotation
Varane/Carvalho for backup CB
Coentrao for Marcelo lb backup
Ramos/Carvajal for RB backup duties
Nacho if needed for any other
Adan for Casillas if ever needed

I think that covers everything




I approve, altho i would test Coentrao as RB, just so we can have two attacking channels on the flanks.
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Post by guest7 on Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:51 pm

@Crimson wrote:-------------------------Casillas
Arbeloa---------Pepe--------------Ramos----------Marcelo
----------------------------Xabi
--------------Sahin-------------------Khedira
-----------------------------Ozil
---------------Benzema------------Ronaldo

My ultimate line-up personally speaking

Di Maria/Callejon as a super sub if and when needed
Kaka for Ozil rotation
Higgy/Morata for Benz or Ronaldo/rotation/starting whatever
Coentrao/Altintop/Lass/Granero/Alex for midfield rotation
Varane/Carvalho for backup CB
Coentrao for Marcelo lb backup
Ramos/Carvajal for RB backup duties
Nacho if needed for any other
Adan for Casillas if ever needed

I think that covers everything




I wish we played like this, it's an orgasm to my eyes
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Post by Guest on Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:53 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
@Crimson wrote:-------------------------Casillas
Arbeloa---------Pepe--------------Ramos----------Marcelo
----------------------------Xabi
--------------Sahin-------------------Khedira
-----------------------------Ozil
---------------Benzema------------Ronaldo

My ultimate line-up personally speaking

Di Maria/Callejon as a super sub if and when needed
Kaka for Ozil rotation
Higgy/Morata for Benz or Ronaldo/rotation/starting whatever
Coentrao/Altintop/Lass/Granero/Alex for midfield rotation
Varane/Carvalho for backup CB
Coentrao for Marcelo lb backup
Ramos/Carvajal for RB backup duties
Nacho if needed for any other
Adan for Casillas if ever needed

I think that covers everything




I approve, altho i would test Coentrao as RB, just so we can have two attacking channels on the flanks.

Good point, well worth exploring and would add the width we need

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Post by Ganso on Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:57 pm

i think you guys need to understand the role of coentrao,whenever Marcelo attacks(like in yesterday's goal) he covers that lb position perfectly.He might not link the midfield and attack very well,but Marcelo does.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:59 pm

To be honest, the 41212, 4222 and 433 are my favorite formations.

I hate when to commit too many men to attack from the get go, the runs coming to disturb the shape of the defense are more effective.

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Post by Adit on Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:12 pm

I dont really like 4-3-1-2 ,ronaldo and benz wont track back which leaves our full backs exposed.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:19 pm

in a 4312 the midfielders cover the fullbacks. not the forwards. The forwards go wide to open space and you have midfielders making runs from behind.

Actually, 3-man midfield system are usyally great for fullbacks who like to bomb forward
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Post by Adit on Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:40 am

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:in a 4312 the midfielders cover the fullbacks. not the forwards. The forwards go wide to open space and you have midfielders making runs from behind.

Actually, 3-man midfield system are usyally great for fullbacks who like to bomb forward
There is a big difference between 4-3-3 and 4-3-1-2.Former actually marks opposition full backs and is more conservative,while later leaves the full backs alone and makes it hard for wing defending.

A 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 will destroy 4-3-1-2.All you need is Over lapping wing backs and good wingers.They can never take possession when full backs arent marked properly.Milan always struggles in wing plays,no wonder their weakness is their fullbacks.

For 4-3-1-2 to be effective you need (2) strikers with very good work rate and defending or tracking back.Both of them actually.We have benz and cr both of them are meh at track backing.Cant play that for sure.

A 4-3-3 is different story.

Again midfielder covering is not enough,when both full backs overlapped in a say 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 ,you got out numbered in midfield with your 4-3-1-2,you have 4 players in midfield while opposition have 3+ unmarked fullbacks=5,way to lose midfield battle.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:27 am

the sides midfield in a 4312 are never fixed,they wont just stay put in the midfield, they will go wide at wish, either to cover the fullbacks or they might attack the wings. And you have the mobile AM that will push forward or wide.

It's a difficult formation to play but it has work before. It can easily turn into a 41212 or even a 433 with players a false 9.

overlapping fullbacks arent a problem unless you keep the shape very narrow. milan's problem is their shitty midfield.

how would they defend if your fullbacks overlap? when you attack in numbers, no formation can defend you on paper.

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Post by Adit on Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:44 am

Not again,4-3-1-2 works only if you have track backing strikers which have none.

it is a 4 vs 5 in midfield and it is quite easy to understand bigger teams will easily out possess us in midfield .

Barca plays almost a 4-3-1-2 but it is a striker less formation,villa and pedro tracks back alot.Cant say the same about our team.Also Milan plays with 3 defensive midfielder all the time for a 4-3-1-2,we dont.

Only way 4-3-1-2 can work for us is with track backing strikers,we have none.

Yes,the midfield does move around but it is clearly outnumbered if fullbacks are not marked.Out numbered midfield is the last thing you need in a game.To stop that you need atleast one of your strikers to track back with great work rate,cant see it work for us.But a 4-3-1-2 striker less like in barca may work.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:55 am

You are thinking about formations in a very traditional way i think. barca play a line of 3 in the midfield, and they out possess everyone.

the 4312 is not that much different, at the end of the day, every one needs to do some defending. Covering the wide positions isnt so difficult.

The forwards do not have a fixed position, they go wide.

Our players ahve shown they can track back back and defend, if you consider that ronaldo and benzema do not track back, then we are in a similar situation now, with the double pivot staying deep, and di maria making the run back. Conceptually, if you think about it, it's the same.

Who in the opposition team is stopping your fullbacks? if you only look at the situation from the other point of view, you will always be at a disadvantage. Who is stopping your side midfielders from going wide?

Milan destroyed Europe with that system, it's proven already. you just need to find the right players. Ancelotti plyed the diamond with Chelsea for a while and they didnt look weak from the wings.
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Post by Adit on Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:08 am

If only the strikers go out wide to pressure full backs that works.BUt i dont think playing as strikers they have same motivation to track back as playing as a left midfielder.Especially Ronaldo who started tracking back a little lately,bcz he sees an unmarked fullback.If he was assigned as a striker role im pretty sure he will stand and watch full back running with ball lol that much lazy defensively he is.

4-3-1-2 and 4-3-3 are different,very different actually.Former Leaving full backs unmarked for most of the time while later is tight marking.

Our situation is similar but as a left midfielder ronaldo is tracking back a little,at least he is there in the flanks beside the fullback.Full back never runs forwars bcz of Ronaldo.

And about 4-3-1-2 fullbacks overlapping,yes it is dangerous but it will turn into a out scoring fest,something which is not reliable as a game plan.It is vulnerable to counters too.

4-3-1-2 is one hell of a counter attacking formation too,but we are not playing counter footy.

and yes,the best example is villareal vs Bayern game.
Villareal played 4-3-1-2 with senna-cani-sando as 3 midfield.
Bayern had very good wingers ,and their full backs overlapped.Boom.
Rossi and Nilmar tried to track back but you know playing centrally as strikers and tracking back throw wing is not easy.
Bayerns 4-2-3-1 completely out possessed villareal with their wing play.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:16 am

Our players are clearly stepping out of the boundaries of their position anyway. Ronaldo would have a free role just like under pellegrini, and Benzema clearly does a lot more than your traditional CF.

And it's not like the forwards will literaly mark the fullbacks, they still go up. you do not stop a great full bacl from attacking. If he does, the defense will adapt without him, and will cover him.

if your fullback overlaps, you still have a line of 3 in defense, the DM and the two CMs in support, it's not any different from a 433 or other formations.

You picked an awful example tbh.

extreme wing play would give troubles to any team if executed well.

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