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Post by Pip on Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:24 pm

https://twitter.com/betierreala/status/544771538046959616

Aperribay (the president) confirms that Moyes hasn't asked for specific transfers yet, but there will be meetings in due time to discuss this. Does anyone know about what sort of players Moyes would be interested, apart from British ones? I remember reading a few weeks ago that Moyes likes to sign players from his old teams, not sure if that's true - the only one that comes to mind is Fellaini. :coffee:

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:39 pm

he'll probably be spotted soon in the stands of the Bernabeu sitting next to Kroos' agent

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Post by Pip on Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:00 pm

Kroos shares the same agent as Fabian Schar and Josip Drmic. You may be on to something, Hans. hmm

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:07 pm

Hard to tell whether he likes to sign ex players at this point.

He signed Fellaini and wanted Baines but why wouldn't he have wanted Baines at that time and Fellaini was great for him at Everton.

Outside of that there's no real history of him signing players from former clubs, mainly because he was at Everton for like a decade.

Wait and see I suppose.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:26 pm

Pippo wrote:Kroos shares the same agent as Fabian Schar and Josip Drmic. You may be on to something, Hans. hmm


and as Reus Shocked

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Post by B-Mac on Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:37 pm

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:57 pm

how about Januzaj? hmm

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Post by B-Mac on Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:02 pm

on loan maybe...

would rather him go on loan to Ajax who have been rumoured to be interested tho and I think Van Gaal would approve of that before sending him to Moyes
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Post by Glory on Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:49 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:how about Januzaj? hmm


gonna be a toughie if we decide to send him loan( If he cant get games he need to go somewhere I believe) and if its between Ajax and Real Soc.

He is playing as if last season never happened. Sad His confidence has gone totally missing. Playing scared.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:52 pm

what did he actually do last season though apart from scoring 2 in his debut match to kickstart the hype?

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:08 pm

Nothing lol.
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Post by Glory on Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:19 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:what did he actually do last season though apart from scoring 2 in his debut match to kickstart the hype?


he looked good, showed promise even though it didnt translate into goals and assists. He was our best player behind ddg and rooney.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:30 pm

Lumiere_Blanche wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:what did he actually do last season though apart from scoring 2 in his debut match to kickstart the hype?


he looked good, showed promise even though it didnt translate into goals and assists. He was our best player behind ddg and rooney.


he 'looked' good as it's all about perception. He was the kid who showed talent, the rest of the team were frustratingly bad.

Now he has to master the routine of being a player in a top team and actually produce stuff as a standard, not as a sign of promise.

That's not meant to put him down.
As van Gaal says, the first game is always the easiest for youngsters, the games that follow are tough.
It's not unusual performances at that age are patchy and unrefined.

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Post by M99 on Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:40 pm

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Post by Glory on Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:55 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
Lumiere_Blanche wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:what did he actually do last season though apart from scoring 2 in his debut match to kickstart the hype?


he looked good, showed promise even though it didnt translate into goals and assists. He was our best player behind ddg and rooney.


he 'looked' good as it's all about perception. He was the kid who showed talent, the rest of the team were frustratingly bad.

Now he has to master the routine of being a player in a top team and actually produce stuff as a standard, not as a sign of promise.

That's not meant to put him down.
As van Gaal says, the first game is always the easiest for youngsters, the games that follow are tough.
It's not unusual performances at that age are patchy and unrefined.


Thats all I said. He showed promise last season. Now you could argue its because the rest of the lot were bad, his performances appeared better than it actually was. May be. But from a man u fan's point of view that part is irrelevant if you know what i mean.

So as we judge him based on last season, based on his potential we rightly feel disappointed where as you (as a whole, neutrals and rivals) judge him as it is; based on what you see now, based on his ability. I dont know, its just what i feel.

We saw a great player in him. And we hoped he would continue doing what he did last season. Like you said this is the season where he should prove what he showed last year was legit.
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Post by Glory on Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:59 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
Lumiere_Blanche wrote:


he looked good, showed promise even though it didnt translate into goals and assists. He was our best player behind ddg and rooney.


he 'looked' good as it's all about perception. He was the kid who showed talent, the rest of the team were frustratingly bad.

Now he has to master the routine of being a player in a top team and actually produce stuff as a standard, not as a sign of promise.

That's not meant to put him down.
As van Gaal says, the first game is always the easiest for youngsters, the games that follow are tough.
It's not unusual performances at that age are patchy and unrefined.


Thats all I said. He showed promise last season. Now you could argue its because the rest of the lot were bad, his performances appeared better than it actually was. May be. But from a man u fan's point of view that part is irrelevant if you know what i mean.

So as we judge him based on last season, based on his potential we rightly feel disappointed where as you (as a whole, neutrals and rivals) judge him as it is; based on what you see now, based on his ability.  

We saw a great player in him. And we hoped he would continue doing what he did last season. Like you said this is the season where he should prove what he showed last year was legit.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:36 pm

I'm not trying to preach anything to you, I actually am telling myself this stuff as well as I know the feelings and the problem:

When you have a young kid coming in for the first games, every good performance, even every single good action when the overall game performance is not consistent, is perceived by fans as a plus.
Because you feel, 'hey the kid can actually do that stuff', and he's just starting.

Problem is that for an established player, it's expected to be good every game, that's not a plus that's normal.
So for kids comes a point when the novelty bonus wears off and you have to ask yourself 'Does he actually perform as consistently good and effective as a regular player for my team has to perform?'
Kids at 19 usually do not, and yet they should not get extra treatment, if they play first team in official games they have the same performance requirements as a 30 year old, if you know what I mean.

That's why there's often that tricky phase when those kids SHOULD be starting every game to develop that consistency and sense of routine performance, and thereby also a sense of what they can actually do; while at a club like Utd and Bayern that's not possible as you can't really tolerate 'on the job training' at that level.

That's why they usually have to be loaned out at a certain point, we've got the very same problem now with Höjbjerg.

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Post by RealGunner on Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:51 pm

Unreal masterclass. Straight out of Sacchi's notes
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Post by futbol on Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:53 pm

Best coach I have ever seen. After Pardiola that is.

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Post by B-Mac on Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:51 pm

Catalonia just got a footballing lesson from them hard streets of Glasgow ffs :bow: Molenation
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Post by Robespierre on Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:27 am

The new Brian Clough.
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Post by Uncanny on Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:14 am

I'm really happy for him Smile
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Post by MaraVilla on Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:23 am

lol sacking this football genius for some old triple chin has been rofl

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Post by Pip on Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:11 pm

This is why you start Rulli. :bow:

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