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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:22 am

in before hala lol

i share the same feeling, he is great at ball winning but when we are trying to control the game he is not a great pivot. he doesnt have that gameintelligence to run the game.

Imagine Kroos as pivot running the midfield but having Casemiro body to defend in transition. That would put you close to the perfect 5.

But looking around europe, most players in that role are either genius ball players but liabilities in defense, ex: THiago Motta, Jorginho, weigl, etc.. or you have ball winners like casemiro. Busquet is still the best DM in like 10 years lol. On the ball he is genius like and off the ball, he is not Casemiro but he holds his own

you need to "make" a player for that role, you need raw material which you can develop and only a a handful of coaches playing that style can achieve that. Zidane clearly not one of them.

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Post by Doc on Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:56 am

Yeah, Hala would obviously find objection so I'll say that I do not think Casemiro is a bad footballer or is detrimental to our team. At all. I reckon he is a fine defensive midfielder as long as you play him in a destroyer, clean up role. Don't give him too much passing responsibility and he'll be wonderful.

However, you can see that whenever Madrid wanna wrestle control of the midfield, Casemiro always seem 2 steps behind Modric and Kroos in what they wanna do. Casemiro can pass the ball well but his speed of thought is nowhere near those two.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:10 pm

Yeah I see the same thing he simply doesn't have that game intelligence but it's ok because the trade off with protecting Modric and Kroos is more important.

I have always thought we need to find a DM that is more versed the opposite way, just to have options. But nowadays it's almost as if casemiro is more secure in his position than CR lol. He simply does not have a back up and Marcos Llorente isn't skilled enough to offer a real alternative.

I was looking at young number 5 in Europe and the two I like most because physically they look competent and they both have higher game intelligence / vision compared to casemiro. Diawara from Napoli and rodri Hernandez from Villarreal but I think he is going to Atletico next summer

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Post by guest7 on Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:25 pm

He does however have some nice long balls, assisted a few like that
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Post by rincon on Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:40 pm

Diawara is a good call. He excelled before his move and chose Napoli, probably for the best as he is learning Sarri's football and playing behind Jorginho. He looks like he'll be a beast in his position.
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Post by FennecFox7 on Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:44 am

Casemiro is the last problem we have, come on now. Kroosand modric are enough. It's our forwards who take the blame and zidane + marcelo

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:06 pm

Even if casemiro is the last problem we are still gonna talk about it lol

Interestingly we are being linked with Paredes today lol

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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:09 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:
Interestingly we are being linked with Paredes today lol

What scares me even more is that the same report claims Madrid is willing to offload kova. It's not bad enough that we lost a big chunk of our glorious bench last season, we're apparently thinking about losing the rest.


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Re: Casemiro discussion

Post by Doc on Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:31 pm

@FennecFox7 wrote:Casemiro is the last problem we have, come on now. Kroosand modric are enough. It's our forwards who take the blame and zidane + marcelo

The name of the thread is called "Casemiro discussion", I think we can use it to discuss his game a bit Giggity. If that is alright with you of course Razz

Did I say he was a problem? I mean, the liability remark was wrong of me, not gonna lie but I would never call him a problem per se. That being said, there is a serious flaw in his game that not only myself and Nick are seeing. He is, however, not the problem, just a player that I am not too sure if he is indispensable or we can afford to play Kova instead. Really not sure.

As for our forwards, we have talked about them way too much for it to be a topic of note. Not really feeling like bringing that up in any detail.

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Post by futbol_bill on Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:18 pm

He’s limited, but very important at the same time. As Nick said, that complete player, combination of Kroos and Casemiro doesn’t really exist, closest probably being Busquets and yet he has flaws as well.

We need a coach to use the talent on team and to come up with tactics that utilizes the strengths on team and limited the exposure to the weaknesses.

In the same way we don’t need all 11 back on defense, we don’t need all 11 on offense.
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Post by The Madrid One on Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:44 pm

The perfect 5 you are describing Nick is what Fede Valverde could become.

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Post by Doc on Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:59 pm

I really hope he has a blinder against PSG as, once again, questioning if he really should be a starter.

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