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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by urbaNRoots on Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:09 pm

@boyzis wrote:I prefer cazorla to play centrally more advanced role with coq and ramsey (in disciplined roles) behind him. Sanchez left wing and ozil right with walcott upfront. That creates amazing balance . But bcoz of ramsey not sticking to his position it creates problems.

On the other hand if we really play against lower sides we could 4 2 4 *bella gutman formation. Again i would prefer coq and ramsey in the 2 man mid. If ramsey accepts to limit his forward play.


That's a big if.

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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by RealGunner on Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:35 pm

Interesting read

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20151126/-i-don-t-want-to-kill-ramsey-s-strengths
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Jay29 on Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:08 pm

I agree with him. We've seen before that Ramsey doesn't sit in midfield when played centrally, but prefers to roam forward and get into attacking positions which leaves us short in midfield when he's playing in a pivot. On the right hand side he's not going to beat anybody with pace but he has more freedom to play his natural game there than he would at CM in a 4-2-3-1.
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by urbaNRoots on Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:44 pm

Definitely agree aswell.

It's a great fit, defensively because of his energy and tackling ability but also offensively because of his goal return and deceptive runs off the ball aswell as his passing ability to set up nicely with Özil and Cazorla.

Not to mention his understanding with Bellerin is vital, which has given us many goals and chances.

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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Sina on Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:01 am

his strength is to make late unnoticed runs when everyone has stopped moving not playing on the shoulder like he has to at times in this role

and Coq-Caz was always a flawed midfield which was exposed multiple times anyway
and we planned all season around it
and now we dont even have anyone like coq to replace him

getting better midfield partner to suit Ramsey was the way to go imo

always backed Wenger through challenging times when he had to do with what he had to get us through those times and thought he deserves a chance afterwards to build a competitive  team

not anymore. time is up! he cant take us any further! Crying or Very sad

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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Raptorgunner on Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:16 am

Agree on Ramsey, but this made me laugh. Laughing

"In my mind I always had Arteta and Flamini and Coquelin. But Arteta was injured so I played always Coquelin. Now with Arteta and Coquelin both injured we are of course a bit short. That’s why I play Chambers for 10 or 12 minutes to see how he positions and we are happy because he can do it."
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Sri on Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:58 am

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Post by MJ on Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:10 am

He was happy with those 10 mins from Chambers? Laughing

Doesn't exactly inspire confidence lol.

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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by El Gunner on Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:40 am

Sure but why's anyone talking about the deeper role in the midfield. That's of course for Coquelin, Arteta , Flamini and Chambers (at least for now what we have)

The only question about Ramsey is whether he plays in CM, the attacking/B2B role in the pivot. Cazorla's role.
And quite frankly he was at his best there when he had that amazing breakthrough season few ago.


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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Sri on Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:48 am

That's the point - it's a job he can do, but his instinct is more to attack - his best season was in that AM role couple of years back - the one where he saved us with all those goals.
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Sri on Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:06 am

I have a feeling that 4-1-4-1 seems to be catching on.

Some of you may remember our disastrous attempt at 4-1-4-1 to shoehorn Ramshere and pushing Özil to the LW.

Do you think we can implement it better with our current squad? Would it make more sense than this Coquelin's new role nonsense?

Or are we better set up with a double pivot deep, to leverage the best of Özil and Alexis?

Discuss.
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by urbaNRoots on Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:55 am

The last time we tried this of course failed but it would be interesting to see how Özil would fare with a Lucas Perez now making runs when he has the ball in wide areas as opposed to a static striker.

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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by MJ on Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:19 am

Özil? Who's Özil? I know only Coquelin. Arsenal's famous no 10.

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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Jay29 on Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:38 am

Any formation requires an even distribution of space between players and that's where our attempt at a 4-1-4-1 went wrong that time. Our players kept bunching up on the left hand side of the pitch - Ozil was over there, Alexis naturally drfits over there from a central position, Wilshere went over there being left footed, etc. Whereas City, for example, have two wide players keeping the width to not only stretch teams but also to make it easier for them to switch the play (sucking a team over to one side, then quickly switching to a winger in space with a 1v1).

I don't see how it would be any different this time round, because we still lack good wide players. If we had kept Campbell then maybe we could have had him one side, Alexis on the other, and Ozil playing a CM role. But then, Ozil is a dynamic player that likes making runs in behind. It'd be a bit of a waste to have him hang back just so the other CM - Ramsey or Coquelin for example - can bomb forward.

What we could do is use a 4-1-4-1 in selective games. I know we tried this before in big games and it didn't work out, but that was because our midfield trio was Coquelin-Cazorla-Chamberlain. Imagine, say, Xhaka-Cazorla-Ramsey or Xhaka-Elneny-Ramsey. That latter midfield has a nice blend of strength, work rate, intelligence and passing ability.

Otherwise, sort out the 4-2-3-1 because it gets the most out of our best player.
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Sri on Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:21 pm

http://arseblog.com/2016/09/arsenals-pressing-concerns/

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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Rev on Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:02 am

It's a mess.
Is there a reason to discuss tactics while Wenger is at the helm of everything at the club?

We know he won't change.
We know he won't adapt.

Even if he tries something new, he usually doesn't fix the obvious weaknesses or disbalance in that new system which leads to an even bigger mess resulting in switching between several malfunctioning systems.

Maybe it seems as I'm hating on him but I'm not. It's just a fact that he's stubborn and won't change his flawed ways.
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Sri on Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:43 pm

I am firmly on the #WOB this season.

I didn't catch the game, but one thing seems to stand out in the reviews: Coqzorla looked better with Coq being more disciplined. Gee, that was so hard to figure out!
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Sushi Master on Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:56 pm

The funny thing is that with results being achieved, Wenger's not going to change his mentality any soon... hell, it's not like shit results or obviously flawed tactics have ever done the trick!

So let's all just accept Coquelin is going to keep on starting PL and CL games while very talented Xhaka starts league cups.
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by boyzis on Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:49 pm

think wenger has figured out his best formation.

xhaka and cazorla remind me of ramsey and cazorla sometime back when arsenal went on a winning streak.

but british media cruel they got into ramsey head and made him think like he is a forward and his responsibility is for scoring goal.

ramsey started running forward to often leaving huge spaces behind which the opposition utilized. team was unbalanced because of ramsey

Because of ramsey the other players had to stretch in challenges and exert to much effort and suffered injuries.

Now Xhaka just needs to do what he is doing right now. Play his role. This team is bound for greatness.

Even Barca have busquets for the same role as xhaka.

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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by El Gunner on Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:00 pm

@boyzis wrote:Because of ramsey the other players had to stretch in challenges and exert to much effort and suffered injuries.
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Jay29 on Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:11 pm

Arsenal's new 4-4-2:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/13/how-mesut-ozil-and-alexis-sanchez-are-taking-arsenal-back-to-the/
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by AnJl on Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:14 pm

@Jay29 wrote:Arsenal's new 4-4-2:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/13/how-mesut-ozil-and-alexis-sanchez-are-taking-arsenal-back-to-the/


Can't help but get hyped after reading this article

But sometimes, it doesnt work out. It is then where Arsenal look lost (example: Against Borough)

And the presence of Vieria is still missing, which was crucial to our side. Which right now, none of our players provide.

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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by Sri on Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:14 pm

Meanwhile, we are seeing a lot of clubs across Europe heading towards either a 3-4-3 variant, or a 4-1-4-1. (Remember the Ramshere banter with Mesut LW? Wink )

It great to have different teams going for different formations and tactics.
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by RealGunner on Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:16 pm

Mesut still has a chance to end up at Left or Right wing once Arsene accommodates Ramsey in midfield Proud
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Re: Arsenal Tactics

Post by urbaNRoots on Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:27 pm

There's no way Özil is making way for Ramsey Laughing

Ramsey has to fight with Walcott/Iwobi for the RW/LW position, it's the only way he can play. Even as a CM he is behind Cazorla, Elneny and Xhaka.

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Post by Don't call me James on Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:33 pm

Venga loves Ramsey. Can't see him not starting when 100%.

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