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Post by RealGunner Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:35 pm

Can I share those Harmonica?

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Post by Harmonica Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:48 pm

Sure.
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Post by M99 Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:46 pm

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Post by Zealous Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:49 pm

Leo is amazing but I hate how his fans are making assists an important stat now that Messi has a bunch of them lol
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Post by Harmonica Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:54 pm

There's no stopping it, on a 50 assists pace this season ffs, could even be 50+50. Proud

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Zealous, the way Messi creates goals is infinitely more impressive than scoring bunch of tap-ins and penaldos.
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Post by Harmonica Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:07 pm

Also tied Cruyff in career goals,

Cruyff 407 (374+33)
Messi 407 (363+44)

Also that assists was career number 201.
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Post by Gil Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:20 pm

No way he does 50/50. 40/40 is more realistic. He could easily do 60/40 if he was as clinical as he was 2 seasons ago.
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Post by Casciavit Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:21 pm

Gil wrote:No way he does 50/50. 40/40 is more realistic.


For a guy who's broke records that have lasted decades, I can see him pulling of a 50/50.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:23 pm

Depends. Transfermarkt assists?
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Post by Gil Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:31 pm

Casciavit wrote:
Gil wrote:No way he does 50/50. 40/40 is more realistic.


For a guy who's broke records that have lasted decades, I can see him pulling of a 50/50.


I actually forgot the 2nd best finisher in the World returns this weekend. Those chances he's creating for that scrub Pedro or the inexperienced Munir would be falling to him instead.

How many assists did he get in his 73 goal season? Could he surpass that with 50/50?
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Post by Harmonica Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:33 pm

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Post by Winter is Coming Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:58 pm

Zealous wrote:Leo is amazing but I hate how his fans are making assists an important stat now that Messi has a bunch of them lol

Messi fans have always bought the assist stats up tho. Anyways GL goat Fußball said once assist can be deceiving a lot and I agree. Its like Ozil having more assists then Iniesta and Xavi does it make him a better play maker? No.

However it does also get annoying when certain Ronaldo fans try to deny the fact Messi is and has always been the better play maker.
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Post by zigra Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:34 pm

Isn't the 11-11-11 stat wrong? http://www.whoscored.com/Players/11119/Fixtures/Lionel-Messi I count 11 games for Barcelona so I guess those are the 11 games meant on the pic but all I can see are "only" 9 goals and 9 assists in those.

Btw assists are "strong" stats just like goals are.. doesn't mean it's all about it but they are certainly not just some next to useless stat.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:41 pm

Yeah the stat is wrong. He has played 11 club matches but only has 9 goals and 9 assists.
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Post by M99 Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:43 pm

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:22 am

Assists are a misleading stat but it should be said the large majority of Messi's so far this season from what I can tell are either through balls and/or basically creating tap ins.

He's ridiculous when it comes to the final pass, but personally I don't think he's a great playmaker. A playmaker sets the tempo of the game and that just isn't Messi.

But when it comes to the final pass he's second to none.
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Post by Beautiful Football Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:26 am

Messi's All Round play is unbelievable. Only shot accuracy and conversation of 2011-13 are missing.

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Post by Donuts Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:42 am

i think we agree that the assist stat is sometimes misleading, for example Xavi got the assist for messi's maradona solo run goal or buscuit got an assist for the messi solo goal against real madrid..
but the thing is messi doesn't get assists like those, he literally runs through the middle while having 3-5 defender on him, finds a gap and sets up neymar etc.

also the stat shows that messi is involved in 20 goals, 10 he scored or 10 he set up
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Post by DuringTheWar Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:49 am

Donuts wrote:
but the thing is messi doesn't get assists like those, he literally runs through the middle while having 3-5 defender on him, finds a gap and sets up neymar etc.


Oh my God. I hope you mean about this particular assist today, rather than in general
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Post by The Franchise Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:04 am

The nutmeg he did on that pos Klassen was especially fun.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:10 am

I'd say it describes about 1/5 of his assists. Most of them are perfectly weighted through balls with a lot of space in front of him.
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Post by Be/\/ceCALI Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:34 am

His first touch to control the ball before scoring his goal today left me in awe Shocked simply incredible
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Post by LeBéninois Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:17 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Assists are a misleading stat but it should be said the large majority of Messi's so far this season from what I can tell are either through balls and/or basically creating tap ins.

He's ridiculous when it comes to the final pass, but personally I don't think he's a great playmaker. A playmaker sets the tempo of the game and that just isn't Messi.

But when it comes to the final pass he's second to none.


Spot on . I wish there were more playmakers. When Xavi will be gone I'll miss him alot.
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Post by FennecFox7 Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:37 am

Its true. Lots of messis assists are pretty hard to do. not the usual sweat assist
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Post by neuro11 Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:21 am

people should not just comment in general about how important assists are without watching his assists. many of his assists are as beautiful as his goals. There can be better assists maker than him in the world that is not the issue here. its that his assists desrve merit as they are not the easy things to do....
pity he would have got way more assists in last two seasons if we had just an improved pedro. even neymar was a failure last season in this regard. no doubt neymar and suarez will increase that tally of him this season.

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Post by harhar11 Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:57 pm

Donuts wrote:i think we agree that the assist stat is sometimes misleading, for example Xavi got the assist for messi's maradona solo run goal or buscuit got an assist for the messi solo goal against real madrid..
but the thing is messi doesn't get assists like those, he literally runs through the middle while having 3-5 defender on him, finds a gap and sets up neymar etc.

also the stat shows that messi is involved in 20 goals, 10 he scored or 10 he set up


True, but the same is true with goals. That's why it's important to remember that stat isn't the only thing that matters in football.

Zealous wrote:Leo is amazing but I hate how his fans are making assists an important stat now that Messi has a bunch of them lol


While it's true for some, alot of us Messi fans have always said that assist is important. And I for one prefer his assist over his goals, but that's mostly because I prefer playmakers over goalscorers.

And also, the opposite can be said about Real Madrid fans. When you had Özil and Di Maria, assist was just as important as scoring goals. I mean, some of you even said that Özil was better than Iniesta simply because he assisted more. But now that they have left and that Messi is assisting at an even higher rate, it's as if it's not important at all.

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