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Post by Don't call me James on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:22 pm

Thank you Deez. Like I said hindsight is a beautiful thing.

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Post by izzy on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:23 pm

Don't argue with chad about Benz. As ridiculous as Josh and Sports when it comes to the guy.

Can do no wrong in their eyes.
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Post by Zealous on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:23 pm

I'll repeat that Benzema's best performances in a Madrid shirt have seen him as a sub.

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Post by Onyx on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:24 pm

Higuain might not be doing as well as Benzema, however it's not just about form too. It could depend on the game what striker plays. 1st leg Higuain was ineffective, so playing Benzema would have been reasonable.
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Post by Pedram on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:26 pm

@vanDEEZ wrote:
@chad4401 wrote:
@vanDEEZ wrote:its not nonsense when you watch madrid every week and when benzema plays he mopes around, has been basically a ghost.

as a manger you dont pick players based off of statistics in 1 competition.

deez and some others needs to stop acting like running around endless into offside is brilliant, higs is not doing anything to justify starting, plus he has always been poor in cl, even last season when everyone was performing at maximum he still sucked, he is not good enough in cl why is that so hard to admit?


i find it hard to discuss a higgy v benz debate with a benz fanboy.

but here is basically the situation for mou: 2 terribly out of form strikers. 1 is doing a bit better than the other. which one do you pick? obviously the one who has been playing a bit better. and that choice is higuain.

but ya, in hindsight its easy to run your mouth and say what should have been, but the fact of the matter is you say higuain did nothing to justify starting.. well if youve watched madrid lately neither has benzema- even less so.

Exactly what i wanted to say.
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Post by chad4401 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:31 pm

being a benz fan has nothing to do with this, its all on higuain cl performances up till this point proves he is not a cl worthy striker, that is the point that everyone is tip toeing around look at the stats ffs, remember the lyon game? those miss chances? its the same how many years later?

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Post by OLpower on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:32 pm

@vanDEEZ wrote:
@chad4401 wrote:
@vanDEEZ wrote:its not nonsense when you watch madrid every week and when benzema plays he mopes around, has been basically a ghost.

as a manger you dont pick players based off of statistics in 1 competition.

deez and some others needs to stop acting like running around endless into offside is brilliant, higs is not doing anything to justify starting, plus he has always been poor in cl, even last season when everyone was performing at maximum he still sucked, he is not good enough in cl why is that so hard to admit?


i find it hard to discuss a higgy v benz debate with a benz fanboy.

but here is basically the situation for mou: 2 terribly out of form strikers. 1 is doing a bit better than the other. which one do you pick? obviously the one who has been playing a bit better. and that choice is higuain.

but ya, in hindsight its easy to run your mouth and say what should have been, but the fact of the matter is you say higuain did nothing to justify starting.. well if youve watched madrid lately neither has benzema- even less so.

A player with a huge CL record and a player with an awful CL record.

Who do you pick?

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Post by vanDEEZ on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:35 pm

@chad4401 wrote:being a benz fan has nothing to do with this, its all on higuain cl performances up till this point proves he is not a cl worthy striker, that is the point that everyone is tip toeing around look at the stats ffs, remember the lyon game? those miss chances? its the same how many years later?

it has everything to do with it because youre not objective.

take this situation: lets say higuain has a better goal scoring record in CDR but has been a ghost in the 5 matches leading up to the CDR semi final. benzema has played better in those 5 matches

who do you choose?
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Post by vanDEEZ on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:36 pm

@OLpower wrote:
@vanDEEZ wrote:
@chad4401 wrote:

deez and some others needs to stop acting like running around endless into offside is brilliant, higs is not doing anything to justify starting, plus he has always been poor in cl, even last season when everyone was performing at maximum he still sucked, he is not good enough in cl why is that so hard to admit?


i find it hard to discuss a higgy v benz debate with a benz fanboy.

but here is basically the situation for mou: 2 terribly out of form strikers. 1 is doing a bit better than the other. which one do you pick? obviously the one who has been playing a bit better. and that choice is higuain.

but ya, in hindsight its easy to run your mouth and say what should have been, but the fact of the matter is you say higuain did nothing to justify starting.. well if youve watched madrid lately neither has benzema- even less so.

A player with a huge CL record and a player with an awful CL record.

Who do you pick?

the player who hasnt been a ghost in the past month.
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Post by Don't call me James on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:39 pm

@vanDEEZ wrote:
@OLpower wrote:
@vanDEEZ wrote:


i find it hard to discuss a higgy v benz debate with a benz fanboy.

but here is basically the situation for mou: 2 terribly out of form strikers. 1 is doing a bit better than the other. which one do you pick? obviously the one who has been playing a bit better. and that choice is higuain.

but ya, in hindsight its easy to run your mouth and say what should have been, but the fact of the matter is you say higuain did nothing to justify starting.. well if youve watched madrid lately neither has benzema- even less so.

A player with a huge CL record and a player with an awful CL record.

Who do you pick?

the player who hasnt been a ghost in the past month.

(@ OlPower) Kaka is a Balon D'Or winner. Ozil isn't. So by your argumentation we should've gone with Kaka right??

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Post by Le Samourai on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:44 pm

@izzy wrote:Don't argue with chad about Benz. As ridiculous as Josh and Sports when it comes to the guy.

Can do no wrong in their eyes.

I love Higuain just as much as I love Benzema.

Benz is Benz - there's things we as a team can do to put him in a position to succeed - and we don't do them. He's a demanding player - it takes alot for him to get up and play as hard as he should.

In my opinion he is worth it because he's not just talented but completely selfless in his play a combination of qualities I see unbelievably valuable.

The fact that we expect to be reciprocated with consistency and full engagement is stupid. It probably is a negative character trait on his part...but hey - it's us who choose not to bypass it.

And this *bleep* debate is one I have never engaged in because it's absolutely pathetic and pointless. Neither forward have much control over their performances....both are World Class, both are proven, both play well together. One big foolish mess about two players who would tear shit up if they were allowed to play together freely.

@Zealous - his best performances (and I think the teams' in general ) come when we are desperate. When he's coming on as a sub in a big game - that's usually the case.


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Post by sportsczy on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:44 pm

Benzema: 18 goals and 18 assists in 2500 mins this year. Pretty good for moping around.

And he doesn't mope around. He's not a pure 9. He finds spots to have ball played to him so that he attacks the box with the ball. He's not an off the ball type striker. Higuain is a pure 9. Styles are completely different. Issue is that we rarely play him the ball when he's open so he ends up standing there open lol.

Imagine Rooney when CR7 was there... that's what Benz is except that he doesn't get to start every game.


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Post by Albiceleste on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:46 pm

transfermarkt assists are good now Proud

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Post by sportsczy on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:47 pm

Nope. These are actual. From realmadrid.com and i added in supercup because they don't list it.

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Post by chad4401 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:50 pm

@vanDEEZ wrote:
@chad4401 wrote:being a benz fan has nothing to do with this, its all on higuain cl performances up till this point proves he is not a cl worthy striker, that is the point that everyone is tip toeing around look at the stats ffs, remember the lyon game? those miss chances? its the same how many years later?

it has everything to do with it because youre not objective.

take this situation: lets say higuain has a better goal scoring record in CDR but has been a ghost in the 5 matches leading up to the CDR semi final. benzema has played better in those 5 matches

who do you choose?

nice try deez your question is obvious, but reality is both are playing shit, none as been clearly better leading up to this game that is the problem im having with this selection

i have no problem with higs starting as long as he is clearly the better choice but he wasn't this time especially after the first leg where he showed lots of limitation

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Post by chad4401 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:03 pm

@sportsczy wrote:Benzema: 18 goals and 18 assists in 2500 mins this year. Pretty good for moping around.

And he doesn't mope around. He's not a pure 9. He finds spots to have ball played to him so that he attacks the box with the ball. He's not an off the ball type striker. Higuain is a pure 9. Styles are completely different. Issue is that we rarely play him the ball when he's open so he ends up standing there open lol.

Imagine Rooney when CR7 was there... that's what Benz is except that he doesn't get to start every game.

what josh said and this

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