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Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by sportsczy on Wed May 08, 2013 11:16 am

Man U
13 Premier League Titles
5 FA Cups
2 CLs

Madrid
11 La Liga titles
3 CDRs
3 CLs

So which method is more effective?

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by Zealous on Wed May 08, 2013 12:14 pm

In the long term it doesn't seem like it'll be much of a difference. However I'd like to see you compare the last ten years. That's when things went downhill for us.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by sportsczy on Wed May 08, 2013 1:02 pm

There are up and down cycles in the game. SAF went through a rough patch in middle of the 2000s too.

But if you look at the past 10 years, Madrid has won 4 La Liga titles and 1 CDR. It was ok by anyone's standards except our own mainly because we couldn't do well in CL.

But over the term of SAFs career, i would say Madrid say been slightly better than Man U actually.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by Zealous on Wed May 08, 2013 1:15 pm

Yeah I'd say that's fair. In the long term the cream rises to the top however I bet the lack of drama surrounding United is something we wish we had.

For the life of me I can't understand why we can't find a manager the club likes and just stick with him.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by sportsczy on Wed May 08, 2013 1:35 pm

You have to get a manager that is both good and understands the workings of Spain/Madrid.

That's why i hope Carlo comes and Zidane is his bench coach. If Zidane is good enough to become the coach and do well... he can handle Madrid.

Carlo won't last either though. He doesn't play attractive enough footy.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by Yuri Yukuv on Wed May 08, 2013 1:38 pm

Madrid also played more attractive football as well.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by Zealous on Wed May 08, 2013 1:51 pm

Debatable if you take the whole period into consideration. I think there was definitely a period where Man United were playing much better football that us. Although from 2000-2003 saw we played some amazing football.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by Adit on Wed May 08, 2013 1:59 pm

SAFs European achievement of 2 CL in 26 years is actually poor. He tottally made donkee league his bitch though.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by Zealous on Wed May 08, 2013 3:33 pm

@Adit wrote:SAFs European achievement of 2 CL in 26 years is actually poor. He tottally made donkee league his bitch though.

Actually it's much better than many many teams out there. Add the fact that he reached two other finals (meaning he could have had a ridiculous 4 to his name) and it's pretty impressive, especially considering that when he took over United they weren't a European powerhouse at the time.

Winning the CL is no joke, hell winning it twice is effectively elite level no questions asked for managers.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by vanDEEZ on Wed May 08, 2013 3:37 pm

about equal imo. that extra CL counts for a lot more than the extra 2 league titles saf won.

but ya, a pretty much equal.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by Onyx on Wed May 08, 2013 3:44 pm

I don't think one method is better than other. Long term managers aren't better than short term and vice versa.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by sportsczy on Wed May 08, 2013 4:04 pm

Long term managers are statistically always better because it means that they've met the expectations of the club consistently for a long period... there's no transition period for a new manager.

Madrid is an extreme case. We don't sack managers because they underperform a lot of times... we just sack them because we can Laughing

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by Valkyrja on Wed May 08, 2013 4:52 pm

One thing I'm sure about it's that Fergie will never ever forget his trip to Madrid in 2003. We totally outplayed them at the Bernabeu.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by Doc on Wed May 08, 2013 4:59 pm

The 2003 win was expected. I think he fondly (or not fondly) remembers the Redondo show that was seen in 2000. Take into consideration Utd were the reigning European champions, kings of England, the English media's darling, clear favourites and Real Madrid actually fearing them somewhat to lose.

Anyway, pretty even record considering how messed up our management is...

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by Zealous on Wed May 08, 2013 5:22 pm

Agree with Doc, the 2000 Madrid win probably stings Fergie more than the 2003 one.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by King Meyy on Mon May 13, 2013 3:49 pm

@sportsczy wrote:You have to get a manager that is both good and understands the workings of Spain/Madrid.

That's why i hope Carlo comes and Zidane is his bench coach. If Zidane is good enough to become the coach and do well... he can handle Madrid.

Carlo won't last either though. He doesn't play attractive enough footy.

If you are talking about Carlo Ancelotti,he took a Chelsea team renowned for efficency,machine like efficiency that wins 2-0 without romance in To 100goal scoring premeir league champions and arguably playing the best football in the country even beating the ikes of United 3/4-0.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by vanDEEZ on Mon May 13, 2013 5:04 pm

and the other thing to consider is that not all longer term managers are going to turn out to be SAFs

so its difficult to make the argument that if madrid would have had someone long term that results could have been better.

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by sportsczy on Mon May 13, 2013 5:10 pm

I agree Deez... although you have to admit, we have done everything in our power to frak things up Laughing Flo is proving that it's impossible to frak up no matter how hard you try...

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Re: Last 26 year: Madrid v Man U

Post by vanDEEZ on Mon May 13, 2013 5:22 pm

haha, exactly.

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