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Post by Tomwin Lannister on Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:38 am

Didn't this chemical attack happen literally the day after Trump mentioned withdrawing the US from the area? Laughing

I don't even follow these shit shows now, lies and secret agendas everywhere. We just get whatever viewpoint our government want to feed us via the news and pretend we're informed when we know jack shit.

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Post by El Gunner on Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:24 am

@Bellabong wrote:It's nearly hilarious that this happens after I hear about the situation surrounding the 1st gulf war.

"They are ripping newborns out of incubators"
-Poor Kuwaiti refugee girl

This sent the world/UN into n uproar and everyone started supporting intervention in the Kuwait invasion.

The girl that made that testimony turned out to be the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US.

I don't believe anything anymore.


ditto!

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Post by futbol on Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:59 am

@Betty La Fea wrote:Also Trump is an idiot but nobody could reasonably expect us to sit back as Assad gassed women and children. Its a war crime. He's lucky we only bombed his ability to use them in the immediate future. Gadaffi got much worse after just using words.


Imagine living in a world where you actually believe it's in the interest of the US to protect some arab children 10000 miles away. Imagine living that life. Laughing

There is the average politically-informed US citizen for you.

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Post by Unique on Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:45 am

@futbol wrote:
@Betty La Fea wrote:Also Trump is an idiot but nobody could reasonably expect us to sit back as Assad gassed women and children. Its a war crime. He's lucky we only bombed his ability to use them in the immediate future. Gadaffi got much worse after just using words.


Imagine living in a world where you actually believe it's in the interest of the US to protect some arab children 10000 miles away. Imagine living that life. Laughing

There is the average politically-informed US citizen for you.
america. damned if they do damned if they dont.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:06 am

TBF it is a no win situation.

Let's start off from the fact that Trump wants to GTFO Syria and nothing to do with it. This is one of the only things he has been consistent about, so we can be pretty sure that's the case.

Let's also remind everyone that the last time this happened Obama wanted to go to war with Syria (or at least pretend like he would honor his "red line") but was instead able to come to a peaceful solution with Assad where he claimed he wold no longer use chemical weapons, that he would destroy his cache, and that he would not build any more.

Now, if it was Assad the one that used these chemical weapons, what consequences should he face for breaking that agreement? Surely you can't agree to not do something, then do it, and expect nothing will change. If for no other reason than that the US's word needs to mean something for future diplomacy.

But why would Assad use chemical weapons in a battle he's about to win anyways when he knows he could generate the wrath of the western powers? Doesn't make a lot of sense either. So the theory that it was the rebels that used it has some merit.

So in conclusion no one knows what's going on. The US has 2 teams of experts in Syria and it would have been better to let them analyze the chemical weapon attack sites first rather than jump at a stance. But even if we knew for a fact that chemical weapons were used, we would never know by whom, and the US would still be stuck in this "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

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Post by futbol on Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:24 am

The ten commandments of propaganda:

1. We do not want war.
2. The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
3. The enemy is the face of the devil.
4. We defend a noble cause, not our own interest.
5. The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary.
6. The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
8. Artists and intellectuals back our cause.
9. Our cause is sacred.
10. All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors.

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Let's start off from the fact that Trump wants to GTFO Syria and nothing to do with it.

Point 1.

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:use chemical weapons

Points 5 and 6.

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Post by Betty La Fea on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:32 am

@futbol wrote:
@Betty La Fea wrote:Also Trump is an idiot but nobody could reasonably expect us to sit back as Assad gassed women and children. Its a war crime. He's lucky we only bombed his ability to use them in the immediate future. Gadaffi got much worse after just using words.


Imagine living in a world where you actually believe it's in the interest of the US to protect some arab children 10000 miles away. Imagine living that life. Laughing

There is the average politically-informed US citizen for you.


Its in the interest of Every person that kids and women are not gassed by an angry despot proving a point.

Also why is it just the US getting the brunt of the blame for this? Your Neighbors France and the UK also sent missiles into Syria because of this.

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Post by Unique on Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:57 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:TBF it is a no win situation.

Let's start off from the fact that Trump wants to GTFO Syria and nothing to do with it. This is one of the only things he has been consistent about, so we can be pretty sure that's the case.

Let's also remind everyone that the last time this happened Obama wanted to go to war with Syria (or at least pretend like he would honor his "red line") but was instead able to come to a peaceful solution with Assad where he claimed he wold no longer use chemical weapons, that he would destroy his cache, and that he would not build any more.

Now, if it was Assad the one that used these chemical weapons, what consequences should he face for breaking that agreement? Surely you can't agree to not do something, then do it, and expect nothing will change. If for no other reason than that the US's word needs to mean something for future diplomacy.

But why would Assad use chemical weapons in a battle he's about to win anyways when he knows he could generate the wrath of the western powers? Doesn't make a lot of sense either. So the theory that it was the rebels that used it has some merit.

So in conclusion no one knows what's going on. The US has 2 teams of experts in Syria and it would have been better to let them analyze the chemical weapon attack sites first rather than jump at a stance. But even if we knew for a fact that chemical weapons were used, we would never know by whom, and the US would still be stuck in this "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.
the fact that russia has come out and said that no chemical weapons were even used tells you they are covering up for assad

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Post by Adit on Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:34 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:TBF it is a no win situation.

Let's start off from the fact that Trump wants to GTFO Syria and nothing to do with it. This is one of the only things he has been consistent about, so we can be pretty sure that's the case.

Let's also remind everyone that the last time this happened Obama wanted to go to war with Syria (or at least pretend like he would honor his "red line") but was instead able to come to a peaceful solution with Assad where he claimed he wold no longer use chemical weapons, that he would destroy his cache, and that he would not build any more.

Now, if it was Assad the one that used these chemical weapons, what consequences should he face for breaking that agreement? Surely you can't agree to not do something, then do it, and expect nothing will change. If for no other reason than that the US's word needs to mean something for future diplomacy.

But why would Assad use chemical weapons in a battle he's about to win anyways when he knows he could generate the wrath of the western powers? Doesn't make a lot of sense either. So the theory that it was the rebels that used it has some merit.

So in conclusion no one knows what's going on. The US has 2 teams of experts in Syria and it would have been better to let them analyze the chemical weapon attack sites first rather than jump at a stance. But even if we knew for a fact that chemical weapons were used, we would never know by whom, and the US would still be stuck in this "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.


Everybody knows what is going on.

Stop buying these chemical suck theory. Another WOMD .

The root cause of this gulf war is countries not trading in Dollars and also to make people rich by weapon manufacture and sales.


Agree with Futbol.

Americans here genuinely seem to believe that their government intervene and cause civil wars just to save people of that country. These people are in a bubble.

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Post by Adit on Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:38 pm

@futbol wrote:The ten commandments of propaganda:

1. We do not want war.
2. The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
3. The enemy is the face of the devil.
4. We defend a noble cause, not our own interest.
5. The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary.
6. The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
8. Artists and intellectuals back our cause.
9. Our cause is sacred.
10. All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors.

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Let's start off from the fact that Trump wants to GTFO Syria and nothing to do with it.

Point 1.

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:use chemical weapons

Points 5 and 6.


End of thread imo

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Post by VivaStPauli on Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:32 am

@Adit wrote:
Germans know better than anyone on how to start a war when there is no issue.

We did that, like, once!

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Post by Bellabong on Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:49 am

So only Bismarck orchestrated a war? :p

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