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Post by Fahim89 Fri 7 Jun - 10:24:16

Reds' new move in £150m Anfield stadium plan

Some progressive news on the Stadium development front. Great News!!

Btw could someone change the title of this thread Razz

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-150m-application-cards-4186741

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Post by RedOranje Tue 25 Jun - 1:56:06

Marc Waddington wrote:£260m Anfield regeneration plans revealed
Scheme hopes to revitalise North Liverpool with new homes and business premises as well as a new LFC stadium

Major plans for a £260m regeneration of Anfield have been revealed.

The ambitious scheme will see hundreds of new homes, new business premises, a revamped stadium for Liverpool FC, a village square, a hospitality academy hotel with 100 beds and a “pedestrian-friendly” avenue gateway cutting through Stanley Park right up to the football ground.

Around 300 vacant or derelict houses will have to be demolished to make way for the plans, which will include the refurbishment of around 500 homes.

Around 250 new homes will be added to the growing Parks housing estate development.

Residents who have lived in uncertainty for more than a decade have been given their first glimpse of the plans, which are being spearheaded by the council, the Reds and housing association Your Housing.

The project, which should take around five years to complete, will be the biggest single regeneration push in the city after the multi-billion pound Liverpool Waters development.

Mayor of Liverpool Joe Anderson, who has been in high-level talks with Reds owner John Henry and housing chiefs for more than six months, said the people of Anfield had been “let down badly” in the past, and deserved to see their community restored to its former glory.

The football club’s plans will account for up to £150m of the £260m price tag for the project. The Reds will remain at Anfield and expand the stadium on its current footprint.

The rest of the investment will go on new roads and infrastructure, renovated housing and newly built homes.

Around 700 new jobs will be created, and Stanley Park will become home to a ‘food hub’, including what the ECHO understands to be a market garden growing local produce.

Mayor Anderson said: “We’ve been thinking that you can’t just have house building and refurbishment just on their own. There can’t be any regeneration without regenerating the wider community.

“That’s why we’ve established this partnership with Your Housing group and the Club, and it was absolutely essential that we did that.

“Despite the government pulling the housing market renewal (HMR) money, we are making progress anyway, with political determination and vision.”

So far, more than £40m of improvements have already been made in the area, including some new housing developments by Keepmoat Homes, the Isla Gladstone Conservatory in Stanley Park, the Four Oaks Primary School and Mere Lane health centre.

But Mayor Anderson said despite progress so far, he was determined to make sure no promises were made that couldn’t be delivered, adding: “I’m absolutely determined not to allow officers who work for the council or the Club or anybody to exaggerate what will be achieved.

“For far too long people have been given the impression that things would change and improve, but they didn’t.”

The ECHO understands that the council’s contribution to the overall cost will include around £13m of government funding, and a large proportion of the value of the scheme is tied up in land and property owned by the council.

Money the club must provide in return for planning permission – known as “Section 106 money” – will also go towards the cost of the project, and potentially any European funding that was given on the condition Liverpool FC built a new stadium in the park, which could be around £7m.

While the overall project incorporates Anfield stadium being enhanced, the Club is keen to make sure it wins the support of local residents.

But while it owns a number of houses in Lothair Road – immediately behind the ground – and Your Housing (formerly Arena) owns many more in the Rockfield Road area, there are some properties owned by private landlords which the council is currently in talks about purchasing.

Council sources said if the owners were not willing to sell at a reasonable price then the authority would not be afraid to resort to using its compulsory purchase powers.

Residents who were last night invited to a meeting at the Isla Gladstone conservatory to look at the plans will be given six weeks to feed back their views, before more concrete proposals are worked up and an official consultation held, with planning applications expected to be lodged next year.

Brian Cronin, chief executive of the Your Housing group, said: “A lot has already been achieved in Anfield through the determination of community leaders and residents – and those people should rightly take pride in their achievements.

“But there is still a huge amount to be done to realise our wider vision, and we will continue to work with Liverpool City Council and the local community to ensure a positive outcome for Anfield and its residents, who can now begin to look forward to a positive future for the area.”

Residents can see more at www.anfieldproject.co.uk




Official Club Statement wrote:Local residents and businesses are now being asked to play their part in shaping a £260m regeneration plan which will breathe new life into north Liverpool.

The consortium wants members of the public, especially those living and working in the affected areas, to help shape the ideas and to provide valuable feedback.

The ideas and concepts unveiled today include new housing, shopping facilities, public space, office buildings, a hotel and the creation of a major new pedestrian-friendly avenue and public square.

There is also a proposal to complete the restoration of Stanley Park and to build a food hub at its centre which would offer food retail units, production and training facilities.

As part of the scheme, Liverpool Football Club has stated its preference is to expand its stadium subject to detailed feasibility studies and the community and home owners' support.

Altogether, the proposals could amount to some £260m investment and create 700 long-term jobs in one of the most deprived areas of the city.

LFC managing director Ian Ayre said: "The unveiling of this vision for the wider regeneration of the Anfield area is another important step towards transforming the area for the better. The club has a track record of working successfully with LCC and others to drive forward improvements to the area, having made a major investment towards the transformation of Stanley Park.

"We are looking forward to working with the partnership and playing a part in the development of the regeneration vision and we strongly encourage local residents, businesses and community groups to get involved in the process and have their say.

"This is also an important milestone as we seek to investigate the feasibility of expanding our stadium. We will continue this work, which is just one part of the wider Anfield vision, and there is a great deal of work still to be done to bring those plans to fruition.

"We have always said that any stadium expansion will be subject to detailed economic and social feasibility studies and the community and home owners' support, which includes our ability to purchase the land for the proposed expansion. Any expansion is also subject to the club being able to navigate the planning landscape and we are pleased to say that very positive progress is being made."

Residents and others are invited to provide feedback on the plans over the next six weeks. After taking into account people's views, the vision and ideas would then be drawn together into a detailed proposal for the area which would be officially endorsed by the city council. All stakeholders will be given the chance to have their say on the proposals before any such endorsement. A further period of formal public consultation would follow before the submission of detailed planning applications in relation to the various projects next year.

Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson said: "It is essential that people understand that what we are unveiling today is a range of Anfield-wide regeneration ideas and concepts which we are confident can be delivered but which we genuinely need to hear people's views on.

"We believe the plans are exciting and will deliver a step-change in quality of life for many thousands of people and be of major benefit to the city, not just Anfield. But residents, business people and others may have other opinions and their own brilliant ideas.

"Please tell us what you think and what you want. Anfield does not belong to Liverpool City Council and it does not belong to Liverpool Football Club or Your Housing Group. Anfield belongs to everyone."

More information is on: www.anfieldproject.co.uk.

AT A GLANCE:

The Anfield regeneration vision involves the following ideas:

Refurbishment of more than 550 homes in the Anfield/Rockfield areas;

Creation of a major, pedestrian-friendly new avenue to link Walton Breck Road High Street with Priory Road, running through Stanley Park along the existing Mill Lane;

The creation of a 10,000 sq ft food hub in Stanley Park;

Improvements to Walton Breck Road and Oakfield Road;

Creation of a public 'village' square at the junction of the proposed new avenue and Walton Breck Road;

The clearance of around 300 derelict and sub-standard properties;

Continued development of new energy-efficient homes by Keepmoat west of Walton Breck Road - about 250 new homes in phases four and five of The Parks development, set in an attractive, greener safer environment;

The completion of the restoration of Stanley Park, including its car park, with a range of possible new features and uses;

Improvements in design to integrate the park with neighbouring residential areas and make it easier to access;

The building of a 100-bed hotel, possibly in the village square, which would train young people in hospitality;

The creation of new office buildings - a 'business hub' - and new and improved retail premises in the village square and on Walton Breck Road/Oakfield Road.


tl;dr

We're staying at Anfield (expanding to 60k) and will be helping to rebuild and regenerate the local area as well, in a £150m move (covering over half the overall expenses and including the stadium).
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Post by Fahim89 Tue 25 Jun - 7:34:53

A huge step for the club this & 5 development work to improve the community around the stadium & the stadium itself. Apart from the revenues from ticket sales it seems there would many more additional sites for revenues with many developments coming up in terms of hotels & stuffs which might be owned by FSG as an extension of the hospitality options for Anfield. Great days ahead for LFC, Liverpool as a city & Anfield. cheers
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Post by Art Morte Tue 25 Jun - 8:58:05

£150m, this all better pay off affraid
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Post by stevieg8 Tue 25 Jun - 15:41:48

Art Morte wrote:£150m, this all better pay off affraid

Considering the prices that get tossed around for entirely new stadiums (in all sports), this seems like a hell of a bargain.
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Post by iftikhar Tue 25 Jun - 15:51:09

I think the new stadium was priced at €400 million.
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Post by mr-r34 Tue 25 Jun - 16:06:51

Bit disappointed with only 60k seats TBH, yeah i know its a refurb and we can only make do with what we have, but id love for us to get to 70-75k. I guess its still better than the disappointing 45k we have now.
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Post by Art Morte Tue 25 Jun - 16:07:03

stevieg8 wrote:
Art Morte wrote:£150m, this all better pay off affraid

Considering the prices that get tossed around for entirely new stadiums (in all sports), this seems like a hell of a bargain.

There are large differences, like, City's Etihad Stadium cost some £120m to construct, Juventus's new stadium apparently cost between £90m-100m, but Arsenal's Emirates cost about £400m with all the surrounding property developments.

We are adding 15k seats and £150m for that would be very expensive, but like it says, the whole project consists of more than just that, so it's difficult to estimate are we getting a bargain of a deal or not.

But when I said this better pay off I wasn't really after was it a good deal for us or not, but that I'd imagine we are taking loans to fund this and therefore we need to see a true increase in revenue to make this profitable for us in the long run.
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Post by stevieg8 Tue 25 Jun - 16:20:03

Art Morte wrote:
stevieg8 wrote:
Art Morte wrote:£150m, this all better pay off affraid

Considering the prices that get tossed around for entirely new stadiums (in all sports), this seems like a hell of a bargain.

There are large differences, like, City's Etihad Stadium cost some £120m to construct, Juventus's new stadium apparently cost between £90m-100m, but Arsenal's Emirates cost about £400m with all the surrounding property developments.

We are adding 15k seats and £150m for that would be very expensive, but like it says, the whole project consists of more than just that, so it's difficult to estimate are we getting a bargain of a deal or not.

But when I said this better pay off I wasn't really after was it a good deal for us or not, but that I'd imagine we are taking loans to fund this and therefore we need to see a true increase in revenue to make this profitable for us in the long run.

Gotcha, that makes sense. I'm absolutely shocked at those numbers for ManCity and Juve, though, considering the prices that get tossed around (usually footed by the city governments) for American sports. 150m pounds would've been a steal by that metric, but I guess it's done a little differently in europe.
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Post by Red Alert Sat 6 Jul - 3:34:33

Would that be Anfield now or after the expansion?

Why is Richmond Park so small? Shocked 
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Post by RedOranje Sat 6 Jul - 5:21:24

That's Anfield now.
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Post by Red Alert Sat 6 Jul - 6:32:26

Just looking at that. We'd be a more rectangular version of the Emirates, then?

Surprised SB looks bigger than us but holds less. Suspect


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Post by Art Morte Sat 6 Jul - 6:51:28

Wanted to see West Ham's Olympic Stadium in that picture Smile
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Post by iftikhar Sat 6 Jul - 8:54:40

Wembly & SdF is humongus. BTW, who plays at Wembly!
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Post by Fahim89 Sat 6 Jul - 9:04:34

iftikhar wrote:Wembly & SdF is humongus. BTW, who plays at Wembly!

The England national team & the cup games. .
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Post by Helmer Thu 11 Jul - 20:55:14

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/demolitions-begin-260m-anfield-regeneration-5070660

The first demolitions of empty houses since the announcement of a major regeneration of Anfield are now underway. great news FSG:cheers: 

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Post by iftikhar Fri 12 Jul - 22:47:51

Fahim89 wrote:
iftikhar wrote:Wembly & SdF is humongus. BTW, who plays at Wembly!

The England national team & the cup games. .

Yew. That's what six games max! I think it's used for some commercial & cultural events. But in sporting terms it's just so waste.
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Post by Helmer Wed 11 Sep - 12:03:35

http://www.itv.com/sport/football/article/2013-09-11/john-w-henry-reassures-liverpool-fans-over-finances-for-new-stadium-redevelopment/
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JW Henry wrote:Quoted in the Liverpool Echo, he said: "We are making good progress.

"There are a lot of different groups working very well together and that's the key to a big project like this happening, when everybody is on the same page. When everybody is on the same page, we move forward.

"I think we were clear at one point that what made financial sense was going in this direction - and this is the direction that makes financial sense for the club for a long time.

"Obstacles are being overcome.

"We have always said you have to have certainty with regard to the properties because of the height of the stand and all of the issues regarding that. So that's been the biggest issue."

He added: "The previous regime (Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr) were talking about going out and borrowing an enormous amount of money to build an enormous new facility. That's not what we're doing.

"One of their problems was that they weren't able to get financing. When this (project) happens, financing won't be the problem.

"We just need certainty with regard to these properties and the number of properties that are in question keeps getting reduced."

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Post by vegfootball Thu 12 Sep - 9:17:07

Refurbish Anfield we only go to get around capacity of 50,000 as to build up area & transport into Anfield we still be hard to to park & so on,

so spend 50m on just Refurbish Anfield will not cut it as in the next years after we Refurbish Anfield we still need 75,000 + capacity & new transport
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Post by iftikhar Thu 12 Sep - 9:40:23

I think the refurbished stadium will have a capacity of around 60,000 (have read that some where). Don't have any idea about the parking or transport, but given the circumstance, it will for the time being. A new stadium can only be viable after we start having steady revenue from CL. For now the fund has to be invested in building a CL playing squad. The refurbished stadium will increase our revenue too.
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Post by Helmer Thu 12 Sep - 11:13:27

As i have read some report, I have understood that refurbishing the stadium was more of a strategic decision. Because we have to keep in mind that liverpool city is not like London. So looking at the demography and location in England, it was probably better to invest less and fill the sits to the full capacity instead of leaving few thousands seats empty in a 80k capacity stadium, if someone has ever solved a problem in operations research, you will surely get what I am trying to say.

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Post by Art Morte Thu 12 Sep - 12:07:12

I'd imagine that we have fans in England outside of Liverpool, too. It's a common joke that Manchester United fans come from anywhere but Manchester to watch their home games. I don't think an 70-80k stadium would be too big for us, but this expansion to 60k is good, too, although a new stadium would always be better, a real deposit for the future. But the fact that our owners look prepared to spend this much money to expand our capacity is obviously great - yet I do worry a little bit about our growing debt.
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Post by Helmer Thu 12 Sep - 12:17:38

I think it is a kind of a optimal solution to be sustainable on the pitch and off the pitch. Because if FSG think that spending X amount on stadium will not affect so much the ON pitch football budegt, that is good decision to go with that. So istead of getting drawn into the debt circles, risks and tension surrounding the anfield it is better to play safe when the world economy is not doing so great.



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Post by vegfootball Thu 12 Sep - 12:50:37

don't know all about transport but i do know that read things that we can only have around 50,000 Anfield as the transport will to hard to get into Anfield

were i read that will Stanley Park that we were look at old rail lines to help with transport,

also read we have the longest wait list for season ticket & we turn downs 1000's of fans to buy them,

stop gap Refurbish Anfield will not bring in the money like United & Arsenal, with Tottenham get a new stadium, Chelsea look for a new stadium,City look at bigger Capacity, we be back to look at new stadium

let not go back to think of 90's were we just think football is not a business, it hurt us for 20+ years think like that.
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Post by RedOranje Thu 12 Sep - 14:25:23

There are several previous posts in this thread detailing the plans for the stadium itself and surrounding area, veg.

The capacity will be expanded to 60,000 and the entire surrounding district will be renewed and in places redesigned to provide a boost for the atmosphere, navigation (i.e. transport) and the city of Liverpool as a whole.
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