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Post by Onyx on Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:00 pm

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Real Madrid vs Atletico Madrid discussion.

Saturday 28th September.




H2H Past 2 League meetings:

Away: 27th April 2013 - Atletico Madrid 1-2 Real Madrid

Home: 1st December 2012 - Real Madrid 2-0 Atletico Madrid



Injuries/Suspensions:

Real Madrid: Marcelo and Alonso.

Atletico Madrid: Adrian.



Atletico Madrid last 3 league results:

Atletico Madrid 2-1 Osasuna
Valladolid 0-2 Atletico Madrid
Atletico Madrid 4-2 Almeria


Atletico Madrid current league position: 2nd.

1. Barcelona - 18 points
2. Atletico Madrid - 18 points
3. Real Madrid - 16 points
4. Villarreal - 14 points



Real Madrid players called up:

Goalkeepers : Casillas, Diego Lopez and Jesus.
Defenses : Varane, Pepe, Sergio Ramos, Coentrao, Carvajal, Arbeloa and Nacho.
Midfielders : Bale, Khedira, Casemiro, Modric, Di Maria, Isco and Illarra.
Forwards : Ronaldo, Benzema, Jesse and Morata.



Real Madrid predicted lineup:

--------------Diego Lopez
---Carvajal--Varane---Ramos---Coentrao
----------Khedira--Modric---Isco
---------Bale--------------Ronaldo
-----------------Benzema


Ancelotti pre match:


"We played badly against Elche, but tomorrow is another match. We will do our best, it is a very important match for us against a team that are doing very well. Atletico Madrid have improved a lot since the Copa del Rey match and are a very confident and very strong team. They are more aggressive and we have more quality, we are different teams. It will be a good match, a difficult one, but we can play well and win it".


Prediction:

I think with Atletico Madrid winning every game so far and with us struggling defensively, they will score at least one goal. However with us being at home, I can't see us losing. In order to improve defensively, we need a pure DM protecting the defense and the backline needs to be more compact. Attacking wise our final third play could be a bit better. The team however is still adapting to a new style.

Real Madrid 2-2 Atletico Madrid.
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Post by halamadrid2 on Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:21 pm

this is going to be a tough game. we need to concentrate through the duration of the game or else they will kill us

I predict a 3-1 win for us

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Post by LeVersacci on Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:47 pm

Bale to start?

Is he even fit?

Carlo better not start Arbeloa again ffs
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Post by Doc on Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:35 pm

2-0 prediction but I reckon it would be a real tough match. In fact, Atleti could win it in all honesty and I won't be surprised, pissed but not surprised...

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Post by FalcaoPunch on Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:00 am

Carvajal needs to start.
Bale might but I'm against it honestly .

Our midfield is key in this game. If they play like last time, we are done for.

No point having Ronaldo and Bale in the line up if they aren't getting proper service.

Benzema to score a goal
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Post by hrealmadrid on Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:36 pm

When will Rafa get some time?? :wub: 
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Post by FennecFox7 on Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:55 pm

Actually I feel like in the game we played vs elche bale would've influenced the outcome..
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Post by Cyborg on Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:28 pm

arbeloa starting again. he will be torn apart..again.

is modric injured or has a problem?

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Post by Cyborg on Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:45 pm

arbeloa is the worst player on the team

isco has done nothing

illaramendi looks out of depth

pepe is pepe

bring on carvajal, bring on modric, bring on bale

di maria is incompetent.

varane should have started. Even just coming back from injury, he still can think. pepe has no brain


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Post by LeVersacci on Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:37 pm

Pepe-Ramos is *bleep* shit ...
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Post by titosantill on Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:57 pm

yeah right....keep putting your faith in mr inconsistent aka benzemiss

@FalcaoPunch wrote:Carvajal needs to start.
Bale might but I'm against it honestly .

Our midfield is key in this game. If they play like last time, we are done for.

No point having Ronaldo and Bale in the line up if they aren't getting proper service.

Benzema to score a goal
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Post by Cyborg on Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:58 pm

things we learnt or were made clear:

1) Morata should and deserves to be starting. Benzema definitely shouldnt be.

2) Arbeloa should never start for madrid again. Carvajal is the starting player

3) Pepe - aging, brain dead

4) Isco? Did nothing. slow both mentally and physically. I would have prefered di maria in his position, and di maria was terrible.

5) Ozil

6) Modric and Khedira is the partnership to start

7) Ancelotti made huge mistakes tactically and if he doesnt get it right, he'll be sacked.

Losing to Atleti at home is a fireable offense


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Post by StrugaRock on Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:00 pm

If there is someone we should blame, it is Ancelotti. FFS we are not a defending side, we are not an Italian team, waiting on set pieces and counter attacking goals.

So far this season the goals that we have scored were due to luck or individual play. I'm yet to see Ancelotti bring his "style" of play into motion.

It's not Benzema's or Arbeloa's or anyone else's fault when there is no tactical play in our game. We are more predictable than ever, with no one at the AMC position to make a play. Isco is played in as a left midfielder with more roaming duties, Ronaldo plays his usual position with 3 players covering him, Benzema sits alone somewhere, the defense keeps making the same mistakes game in game out, Di Maria is inconsistent, Khedira thinks he is an attacker now, Illara has yet to figure out what is his position, Bale has yet to prove that he is a top player.

The thing is Ancelotti has no clue what he is doing, I'm sad to say this but on the worst day with Mourinho we played better than tonight.

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Post by Cyborg on Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:07 pm

the only player who was half decent were Modric, Khedira and Coentrao

Arbeloa makes me so angry

Morata and Jese to replace benzema

Benzema is good but not good enough for madrid. he should have gone to arsenal.

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Post by Valkyrja on Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:10 pm

Ozil is the new Makelele :facepalm: 

We didn't have more than 3 1on1s since the start of the season :facepalm: 

We shouldn't have gone for a famous coach, but for an ambitious one like Pepe Mel/Laudrup. Still hoping that Ancelotti will prove that he's got what it takes to win Decima.

About the match, we were pathetic. Morata was more dangerous in 15 mins than Benzema in the whole match. Arbeloa wasn't that bad, but Carvajal is better and should be a starter, Isco was as clueless as Di Maria, his passing being very bad again. Illarra is still getting his rhythm but you can see that he's a good player with high potential. Di we pay 30m for Coentrao ?

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Post by Cyborg on Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:26 am

playing without a number 10, without a true creator.

this is the result.

if the system doesn't change, all supporters should expect more games like this.

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Post by FalcaoPunch on Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:51 am

We don't have a number 10. This isn't an over reaction.

I've said it since the rumors about Ozil started. Whatever you Ozil haters say, he is missed in our midfield.

Isco is a great talent and an amazing player. But he is too direct and having him with bale and Ronaldo on the wings while having a shitty benzema isn't going to help us.

We need Marcelo,Varane, and Carvajal in defense.
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Post by titosantill on Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:27 am

pepe criticizing benzema telling him to put in more effort...sweat and bleed for the jersey
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Post by hrealmadrid on Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:16 am

If Lopez starts over Casillas then by the same principle Morata should start over Benzeblob.
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Post by Cyborg on Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:59 am

yea, i defended him.

but he just isnt putting in the type of performances that a top striker should.

morata came on and showed hunger and energy. He was actually a goal threat, in the box, making the keeper work.

I say give morata the chance. The more games he has at his age the better for him.

playing at a top level will improve and develop him immensely and he is already a good player.

jese too

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Post by FalcaoPunch on Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:07 am

Can't wait to see Morata starting.
He was great when he came on
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Post by LeSwagg James on Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:26 am

I wouldn't mind Morata starting the next League game tbh.. I don't think Benz is as bad as most people say, but I wouldn't mind a change up front

Benz should start the next CL game though, all of them for the foreseeable future actually since he performs well in Europe :coffee:

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Post by shadexticos on Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:14 am

Madrid has played some horrible football before, but I think this match tops d list.we were totallllyyy clueless..cluelesss!! Unimaginative, unpassionate, not intense, not aggressive, slow, uncreative.we were just everything that speaks against madrid and the type of players that were on the field.
You can blame a player's mistake but I think the coach has spent enough time in madrid to know which player is likely to make such mistakes
My conclusion from the match

PROBLEMS

1 ANCELOTTI
He has spent enough time in madrid to know who is likely to make a said mistake.We can point out to individual players as the problem but I believe the main problem is the coach cos with the time and quality he had/has, he should know their individual strong points and weak points and should know who to play and who not to play.
In his first press conference, he said he is bringing attractive football which is in line with our tradition.He lied
In the press conference before the match, he said atletico are more aggressive than us but we have more quality than them.
If indeed, he knew what to expect, and was banking on the players' quality on the ball to see us through the match, then one would wonder why he didn't play the players with the most quality on the ball like benching khedira who misplaces every pass and replacing him with someone with 'more qualiity' like modric or casemiro
Like replacing pepe with someone with equal or even better reading of the game and 'more quality' on the ball like varane or Nacho..yes Nacho is a lovely centre-back..Del Bosque didn't call him up to the National team for nothing.
Like replacing arbeloa with someone with 'more quality' in all aspects like carvajal

2 PEPE
Pepe is passionate but is stil not good enough for madrid.
He made a lot of interceptions but if u look deeper, u would realize he was the one who put us in such a precarious situation with the way he hoofs the ball.
This is 2013, and defenders should almost be as creative wiv the ball as midfielders.

Solution
Forget the sentiment and re-instate Varane

3 KHEDIRA
A blind man would make more accurate passes than this German bull.
His only successful passes are the ones he makes to the keeper.
He is stiffling our creativity really bad and he stil plays so many minutes.
The importance of his work-rate is overrated cos even modric makes more interceptions and sits deeper than him.he goes out to attack but messes up.
He is just a great liability

Solution
Replace him with illarramendi or Casemiro

4 ARBELOA

SOLUTION
Just replace him with Dani Carvajal.I think this one is plain for everyone to see.any mistake carvajal might make in defense due to inexperience, arbeloa makes x 2 of it due to his 'over-experience'

5 LEFT-BACK

SOLUTION
We should retire marcelo from international football cos he always gets injured when he plays for Brazil and his absence in the first few matches of last season was also the reason we dropped so many points.
He starts a lot of our attack and links the defense with the midfield
He opens up space for ronaldo and he is just everything coentraeo is not

6 BENZEMA
Funny enough, he is the least of our problems.
He lacks supply and his sang-froid/expressionless face always cancels out his effort.
Benzema works hard, he rues missed chances, he regrets, he gets sad, he is passionate, but all these never shows because his body language just sends the wrong signals out.
Maybe he should learn from pepe cos I believe his outward expression of passion si one of the things that are still keeping him in madrid.
Pepe could literally cry on the pitch as a result of the passion he has for madrid.
Pepe makes me literally cry when he is on the pitch as a result of my passion for madrid cos varane and nacho av made me understand how shitty he is

SOLUTION
Benzema should show more passion
Ancellotti should make those changes and increase the supply and support for benzema
Ancelotti should put morata in by 60 minutes and not wait to the end
That kid shows so much passion and willingness and also quality and if he keeps playing 5 minutes, he cud lose the passion

I have decided to be following livescores.com for our matches now cos I get no pleasure and aesthetic satisfaction from watching madrid this season.
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Post by Valkyrja on Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:59 am

Things will change when Carvajal and Marcelo will be in the line-up, but not by much. Our midfield is incredibly bad. Isco and Di Maria are playing on the same line with Modric and Khedira, on the wings. Isco is most of the time isolated there, Coentrao giving him no support. He is very dependent on his close control dribbling and sometimes that's not enough. Ozil was never losing the ball in our half, Isco did it 5 times only yesterday. Di Maria went in retarded mode again, Benzema is Benzema. Only 2 players who were good since the season started are Ronaldo and Modric, but the 2nd needs a DM ala Matuidi/Gustavo to perform to his best qualities.

We should have got Gundogan, I think he could play with Illarra in the pivot,since they are both good defenders.

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Post by halamadrid2 on Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:13 am

this performance shouldn't be blamed on the players. Carlo is solely at fault here

for a 4-4-2 to work you need offensive fullbacks who can cross, Marcelo is not injured but was just not called up by Carlo and Carvajal was on the bench instead of starting because Arbeloa has an older birth certificate than him. Atleti shut down the middle so we needed to go wide but we didn't have the players to execute that. in the end we became one dimensional

the mistake by dimaria for the goal should never have to happen. he tried to dribble past luis in our own half and lost the ball resulting in their goal. we dont pressure enough in the opposition hapf either, half the goals we scored last season were due to mistakes by cbs because we didn't give them enough time on the ball

jese is another player I am baffled as to why he doesn't play. the guy is great and could be used as a plan b if two AMs dont work like they didn't yesterday

atleti weren't great offensively by any means but they shut us out for the most of the game and capitalised on our mistake to score. that was their game plan.

bale has no business play ram, he is a forward and can only play there either as a sub or from start I dont care as long as we score

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