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Re: Liverbirds to go Cherry picking!!!

Post by Don't call me James on Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:36 pm

Terrible game. You could tell players are trying not to exert too much energy. Funny enough, I think Moses has been our best players. And Hendo probably the poorest. Every touch he had was terrible. Jones needs to stop flapping at the ball as well. We're conceding way too many corners, they'll score one of those if we don't stop conceding them.

SAS, Gerrard, Cissokho, and Skrtel were very meh as well. It says something when Moses is out best player in a game Laughing

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Post by Red Alert on Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:38 pm

Moses been our best player... its 1-0 at half time. Should of been 2, Hendo missed a sitter. Would of been game over if he scored it.

They've been the better team.

We set up as a 424, got dominated per usual, and went to a 4231 with Suarez and Sturridge interchanging roles on the right.

Coutinho remains anonymous in a number 10 role.

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Post by Art Morte on Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:39 pm

Came back home just in time to see Moses score on the 26th minute, didn't see anything special from us after that. Henderson needed to hit the target with his chance, that was woeful. Bournemouth with a couple of good chances to score themselves.

And yeah, I can't understand the formation. Why to carry on with it after the Villa howler. It really does still seem to be 4-2-4 and there's so much space between our midfield - especially when Gerrard often drops down to CB level to collect the ball - and forwards. We are really struggling to control the game and no wonder when playing such a top-heavy approach.

Still, 1 - 0 lead at HT, so let's just get the job done here and forget about this formation in the derby.
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Post by Robespierre on Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:44 pm

therefore again 4231 (424)
is it a forced choice this time ? I mean.. have you other available midifielders over to Gerrard and Henderson?
because otherwise I don't think Liverpool can play with that game style
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Post by Red Alert on Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:52 pm

4231 and 424 are two different styles, they're not even close. 424 is suicidal, we can't play it. Especially when neither Hendo or Gerrard can defend.

4231 is similiar to 433, so we can play it. Luis Alberto can play as the CAM but never gets a look in. 3
man midfield is also a lot better and easier to keep possession. Unforunately, Coutinho is not quite ready to play the number 10 role.

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Re: Liverbirds to go Cherry picking!!!

Post by Art Morte on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:09 pm

Excellent pass & finish there by SAS. This game should be won now.
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Post by Helmer on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:42 pm

Pitman, the worst diver I have ever seen in my life :facepalm:

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Post by Don't call me James on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:42 pm

Good win, don't care about anything else. Now all the focus and energy on the Mersey derby and then a nice long rest.

Sturridge has scored in every game since his return from injury Proud

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Post by Don't call me James on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:43 pm

I think PIttman just tripped himself poor guy Laughing Don't think he intended to dive

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Post by Red Alert on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:44 pm

^ it wasn't a dive the pitch was just shit lol

glad we're through to the next round, no idea why sas + gerrard played the full 90........

wasnt impressed by luis' attitude / body language today. just looked out of it but had 2 assists and almost scored at the end so wasnt all bad.

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Post by Nishankly on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:46 pm

2 man midfield wont work against Everton.
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Post by Art Morte on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:46 pm

All right, so, a comfortable 2 - 0 win in the end, Bournemouth threatened more in the 1st half and looked willing to accept their fate after Sturridge's goal.

We need to sign a CM if nobody out of our non-CM options is capable of playing in that position. Playing SAS and two other attacking players is no contingency plan, it will see us destroyed in the Prem.

A bit disappointed we didn't make substitutions earlier and that eventually it was Sterling and not Ibe that got a few minutes. Kinda liked what Alberto did after he came on. Coutinho I would instruct to have a little more patience; his passing ability is great, but tries to go for the killer pass a bit too often when it's far more likely to end up at a defender's foot.

Full-back situation is bad, but that's nothing new.

Moses did pretty good.

Should Jones get a start in the league?
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Post by Red Alert on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:50 pm

Nishank wrote:2 man midfield wont work against Everton.

rarely works against any1 to be fair
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Post by Red Alert on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:53 pm

@ Art: no

Mignolet should come back

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Post by Helmer on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:55 pm

No I think we need Mignolet to make those crucial saves and we can pray that he doesnt make any blunder

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Post by Helmer on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:56 pm

well the opponent manager seems class, if we ever sack BR we should get him hmm

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Post by Red Alert on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:56 pm

on phone so idk how to embed

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Post by Red Alert on Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:57 pm

majority of the opponents managers look class against rodgers nowadays lol

we made lambert look like mourinho just the other day...

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Post by Helmer on Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:05 pm

No i didnt mean it only by pitch performance wise...
Btw, I think it was a good team selection to give more experience to give a drill to Gerrard and Hendo together, they didnt seem so comfortable with each other in the center.

I think BR should be very careful with this 4-2-3-1 thing, actually I had always wished something like this, but that is making that right flank very easy for the opponent to get to the end and create something

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Post by HOXTYGEN on Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:12 pm

Boring, uneventful and forgettable match.Save for the goals there's absolutely nothing much to say about the match. Is it just me alone or does anybody else noticed Henderson hasn't been good since Gerard came back?
And Kelly seems to be lost today, nothing in attack, defensively porous. Lemme guess, no match fitness eh?
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Post by DeletedUser#1 on Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:12 pm

@Red Alert wrote:majority of the opponents managers look class against rodgers nowadays lol

we made lambert look like mourinho just the other day...

I know. Can't wait for all of those managers to be interviewed for the job once we sack this clown who makes everyone look class.

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Post by Helmer on Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:15 pm

Natalie Portman wrote:
@Red Alert wrote:majority of the opponents managers look class against rodgers nowadays lol

we made lambert look like mourinho just the other day...

I know. Can't wait for all of those managers to be interviewed for the job once we sack this clown who makes everyone look class.
really getting frustrated by Rodgers and what he has done so far

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Post by Red Alert on Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:21 pm

are you implying that i want rodgers to get sacked? lol

do you always try and put words in ppls mouths? or are you on a mission here? Laughing

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Post by Helmer on Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:23 pm

@Red Alert wrote:are you implying that i want rodgers to get sacked? lol

do you always try and put words in ppls mouths? or are you on a mission here? Laughing
frrrack I realised what just happened there Laughing
although, .... .... hmm

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Post by Art Morte on Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:07 pm

HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:No i didnt mean it only by pitch performance wise...
Btw, I think it was a good team selection to give more experience to give a drill to Gerrard and Hendo together, they didnt seem so comfortable with each other in the center.

I think BR should be very careful with this 4-2-3-1 thing, actually I had always wished something like this, but that is making that right flank very easy for the opponent to get to the end and create something

Was it really 4-2-3-1 at any point? From what I saw I didn't see that - nor I think we have the players to pull that formation off successfully. That essentially requires three very good AMs and the striker playing a "semi-false-nine" role. No, I don't think we should attempt a 4-2-3-1, I know it's in fashion nowadays, but we just aren't the right team to play it.

IMO we should either play 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2, but our other experiments have ended up being way too top-heavy. Three CMs is a must for me, unless we start experimenting either with a 3-4-1-2 or 4-4-1-1 / 4-4-2.

What comes to Jones, I do think he deserves a start in the league. Mignolet has made a few mistakes lately while Jones has been reliable pretty much every time we have called upon him. He'd deserve a start, imo. Quite similar to the situation City had with Hart & Pantilimon.
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Post by Red Alert on Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:08 am

@Art Morte wrote:
HEIL MEIN REDS wrote:No i didnt mean it only by pitch performance wise...
Btw, I think it was a good team selection to give more experience to give a drill to Gerrard and Hendo together, they didnt seem so comfortable with each other in the center.

I think BR should be very careful with this 4-2-3-1 thing, actually I had always wished something like this, but that is making that right flank very easy for the opponent to get to the end and create something

Was it really 4-2-3-1 at any point? From what I saw I didn't see that - nor I think we have the players to pull that formation off successfully. That essentially requires three very good AMs and the striker playing a "semi-false-nine" role. No, I don't think we should attempt a 4-2-3-1, I know it's in fashion nowadays, but we just aren't the right team to play it.

IMO we should either play 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2, but our other experiments have ended up being way too top-heavy. Three CMs is a must for me, unless we start experimenting either with a 3-4-1-2 or 4-4-1-1 / 4-4-2.

What comes to Jones, I do think he deserves a start in the league. Mignolet has made a few mistakes lately while Jones has been reliable pretty much every time we have called upon him. He'd deserve a start, imo. Quite similar to the situation City had with Hart & Pantilimon.

It was a 4231 after the shambolic 424 in the opening 10-20 minutes of the game.

Coutinho dropped down into the hole, and Suarez/Sturridge were interchanging in the CF/RF roles. (Which put pressure on Kelly as neither have them helped out defensively.)

You don't need 3 CAMs to play a 4231, don't compare us to Chelsea. Razz And you don't need a false 9, either.

4231 is A LOT better than the 424, but I really hope we go back to a 433/4321 and play death by football. :facepalm:

3412 and 442/4411 are useless. We don't have the players to play a 2 man midfield, nor is the 3 at the back any good. We conceded in EVERY GAME playing 3 at the back... it harms us more than it benefits us.

Mignolet is twice the player of Jones and should come back straight away. Jones is average.
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