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Post by vanDEEZ on Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:24 pm

Really disappointing. I never really understood the PSG move. One big club with limited playing time as a rotational role player to another- never saw the point.

He has shown the quality to play at a decent club, and hopefully he can turn his career around at one of the Spanish clubs outside of the top 3, or an upper mid table club in Europe.

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Post by futbol_bill on Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:52 am

Deez, it was in his head that he was a starter for a big club!!!!

Madrid was prepared to loan him to a 1st level team playing full time and that wasn't good enough for him.

Now Emery (his supporter at PSG) has basically given up on him. They aren't selling him tho, they are looking at a loan, although it seems as if the desired location is Las Palmas and they can't afford his salary so they are talking not only a loan deal but with PSG paying part of his salary!!

Sounds like he has already screwed himself!!! IMO he has never recovered from his injury and his big head doesn't help the situation.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:58 pm

So the BBC writes he might be close to a loan move to Middlesbrough :facepalm:

ffs

from Real's wonderboy to PSG's bench to Middlesbrough

That can't be it. The kid looked so great before his ACL. Surely the injury can't have killed all of that.
Surely there is a place for him somewhere in the huge middle ground between Real/PSG and *bleep* Middlesbrough (he might know the coach back from Real of course)

Liverpool being right in the middle of that middle ground, they need a player like him, they should try to get him.

Surely there's still a top player somewhere in there.

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Post by rincon on Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:18 pm

Liverpool getting him won't do them (or him) any good imo. For him, he will still be rotated, he needs a club where he can start and grow. For Liverpool it will be one more player that is 'just' good enough, not great, not gonna do better than most of what they have.

Liverpool need quality if they wanna raise their level, certainly Jese is not what they need.
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Post by NeganIsco on Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:37 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:So the BBC writes he might be close to a loan move to Middlesbrough :facepalm:

ffs

from Real's wonderboy to PSG's bench to Middlesbrough

That can't be it. The kid looked so great before his ACL. Surely the injury can't have killed all of that.
Surely there is a place for him somewhere in the huge middle ground between Real/PSG and *bleep* Middlesbrough (he might know the coach back from Real of course)

Liverpool being right in the middle of that middle ground, they need a player like him, they should try to get him.

Surely there's still a top player somewhere in there.


Unfortunately ACL does kill careers. Essien, Falcao, Jese just a few that come in mind... Torres and Kaka had ACL issues too

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:17 pm

@NeganIsco wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:So the BBC writes he might be close to a loan move to Middlesbrough :facepalm:

ffs

from Real's wonderboy to PSG's bench to Middlesbrough

That can't be it. The kid looked so great before his ACL. Surely the injury can't have killed all of that.
Surely there is a place for him somewhere in the huge middle ground between Real/PSG and *bleep* Middlesbrough (he might know the coach back from Real of course)

Liverpool being right in the middle of that middle ground, they need a player like him, they should try to get him.

Surely there's still a top player somewhere in there.


Unfortunately ACL does kill careers. Essien, Falcao, Jese just a few that come in mind... Torres and Kaka had ACL issues too

Yes, but especially at a very young age it doesn't necessarily mean irreparable consequences. Let's try to remember that Philipp Lahm had an ACL injury at age 21. Incredible to think how virtually injury free and consistent the rest of his career was.

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Post by Firenze on Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:35 pm

He was slated to be a fenomeno. He was, in fact, great for a year or two as a youngster at Madrid. Fast, quick and could do some serious "dribbling" and scored goals. He had some injuries and some of the "Pato" or hyped up youngster syndrome But, I think rap/reggaeton was his downfall. Only 24 years old and PSG, that took a chance on him has said he hasn't met expectations and will probably be sold.

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Re: Jesé Rodríguez

Post by BarcaLearning on Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:43 pm

@RealGunner wrote:

?????????


Wow, not bad, those a$$es alone deserves praises Very Happy J/k If his football doesnt work out, hes still got music career I guess Razz
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Post by Curtinho on Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:50 pm

@rincon wrote:Liverpool getting him won't do them (or him) any good imo. For him, he will still be rotated, he needs a club where he can start and grow. For Liverpool it will be one more player that is 'just' good enough, not great, not gonna do better than most of what they have.

Liverpool need quality if they wanna raise their level, certainly Jese is not what they need.

I agree. Liverpool need to look for players on the cusp of becoming elite at their position.

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Post by Thimmy on Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:17 pm

@Firenze wrote:He was slated to be a fenomeno. He was, in fact, great for a year or two as a youngster at Madrid. Fast, quick and could do some serious "dribbling" and scored goals. He had some injuries and some of the "Pato" or hyped up youngster syndrome But, I think rap/reggaeton was his downfall. Only 24 years old and PSG, that took a chance on him has said he hasn't met expectations and will probably be sold.



I don't think pre-injury Jese was overhyped, at all. If he had kept up the momentum, there's no way RM would have sold him. He does have the talent, but his mobility and overall performance nosedived after he came back. I used to think that he had his peak ahead of him, but after he returned from getting his ACL torn, it looked like he was already experiencing what C. Ronaldo is going through, these days. His mobility wasn't exceptional anymore, and that restricted his overall game. I suppose you can call it a premature decline caused by injury. These things happen.

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Post by futbol_bill on Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:48 am

Ends up a loan to Las Palmas on last day of transfer window, apparently PSG to pay some of his wages. They must want to get rid of him badly and essentially no takers but his impoverish home team.

His downfall is just as much attributable to his swollen head as it is to his injury!
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Re: Jesé Rodríguez

Post by Firenze on Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:07 pm

I had no idea this guy was now a bench warmer at Stoke City rofl

the hype was real at one point
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Post by S on Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:15 pm

Madrid Castilla is the new La Masia. So many overhyped players amounting to nothing in the end.

Jese - utter flop
Morata- Tier 2 player
Sarabia - no one cares

I also remember Hala hyping some jabroni named Joselul or something

Only Carvajal turned out to be legit, somewhat.

Wont surprise me to see Asensio play for Girona in a couple of years too.
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Post by guest7 on Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:20 pm

Sarabia just made a joke of Man U

Carvajal is a fraud, but not in big games for some reason and excellent attacker.

Asensio? Boy that boy is bright. As long as he keeps his head level headed he will be Madrid's best supersub of all time :coffee:

So TLDR: Castilla > La Fraudsia
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Post by rincon on Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:21 pm

Asensio isnt from Castilla so he has a chance to be legit
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:29 pm

A Juve fan correcting a Madrid fan about Asensio youth status :facepalm:

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Re: Jesé Rodríguez

Post by farfan on Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:31 pm

Juventus fans throwing shade at other Teams' youth set-up? rofl

I doubt anyone could name a single Juventus youth product not named Benchisio.
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Post by Firenze on Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:34 pm

Benchisio rofl was genuinely struggling to think who that was for a good 10 seconds, sounds like it could be an authentic Italian name tbh
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Re: Jesé Rodríguez

Post by rincon on Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:39 pm

@farfan wrote:Juventus fans throwing shade at other Teams' youth set-up? rofl

I doubt anyone could name a single Juventus youth product not named Benchisio.


What does this even mean? because Juve has no proper youth teams Madrid's has to be good? carry on with the Jese hype I guess Laughing

Tbf Marchisio is our best, but I think the top scorer in the league might also be our youth product.

There are no B teams in Serie A so every talented player we've had gets loaned out or sold to co-ownerships (before) and buy backs (now).
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Post by halamadrid2 on Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:54 pm

Our youth players are legit, don't lump us together with those frauds from LaMasia

Sarabia was part of the team that knocked out United, getting a fine assist. Callejon is the best attacker in Serie Z after ElPipa. Parejo>>>>Marchisio, Rodrigo>>>>any Juve attacker not named Pipita etc etc. Just because Jese went into music instead of focusing on his football does not mean Castilla is a fraud
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Post by farfan on Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:55 pm

@rincon wrote:
@farfan wrote:Juventus fans throwing shade at other Teams' youth set-up? rofl

I doubt anyone could name a single Juventus youth product not named Benchisio.

There are no B teams in Serie A so every talented player we've had gets loaned out or sold to co-ownerships (before) and buy backs (now).


The problem is that you hardly produce any noteworthy " talented " players. Laughing B team or not.

Madrid' youth set-up is one of the best in the world and could only be labeled underwhelming if you're comparing it to something like Ajax in the 70's and 90's or Barça in the late 2000s. The team has produced a huge number of players that are currently playing high-level football: Morata, Borja Valero, Carvajal, Parejo, Callejón, Juan Mata, Juanfran, Lucas Vazquez, Marcos Alonso, Nacho, Sarabia...

Just with Borja and Callejon, Madrid has more legit former youth players in Serie A than Juve. Laughing


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Post by guest7 on Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:00 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:A Juve fan correcting a Madrid fan about Asensio youth status :facepalm:


Doesn't beat you claiming Don Bernabeu was catalan :fishing:
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Post by rincon on Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:04 pm

@farfan wrote:
@rincon wrote:
@farfan wrote:Juventus fans throwing shade at other Teams' youth set-up? rofl

I doubt anyone could name a single Juventus youth product not named Benchisio.

There are no B teams in Serie A so every talented player we've had gets loaned out or sold to co-ownerships (before) and buy backs (now).


The problem is that you hardly produce any noteworthy " talented " players. Laughing B team or not.

Madrid' youth set-up is one of the best in the world and could only be labeled underwhelming if you're comparing it to something like Ajax in the 70's and 90's or Barça in the late 2000s. The team has produced a huge number of players that are currently playing high-level football: Morata, Borja Valero, Carvajal, Parejo, Callejón, Juan Mata, Juanfran, Lucas Vazquez, Marcos Alonso, Nacho, Sarabia...

Just with Borja and Callejon, Madrid has more legit former youth players in Serie A than Juve. Laughing


Yes, Borja and Callejon >>>> Marchisio and Immobile in Serie A Laughing

We even produced maybe the biggest Milan legend in recent years.
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Post by farfan on Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:08 pm

@rincon wrote:
@farfan wrote:
@rincon wrote:

There are no B teams in Serie A so every talented player we've had gets loaned out or sold to co-ownerships (before) and buy backs (now).


The problem is that you hardly produce any noteworthy " talented " players. Laughing B team or not.

Madrid' youth set-up is one of the best in the world and could only be labeled underwhelming if you're comparing it to something like Ajax in the 70's and 90's or Barça in the late 2000s. The team has produced a huge number of players that are currently playing high-level football: Morata, Borja Valero, Carvajal, Parejo, Callejón, Juan Mata, Juanfran, Lucas Vazquez, Marcos Alonso, Nacho, Sarabia...

Just with Borja and Callejon, Madrid has more legit former youth players in Serie A than Juve. Laughing


Yes, Borja and Callejon >>>> Marchisio and Immobile in Serie A Laughing

We even produced maybe the biggest Milan legend in recent years.


Immobile came to Juve at age 18 and spent one year with your Primavera Laughing that's not what I call a youth product ...Do you know how many of those Madrid has? Laughing
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Post by rincon on Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:12 pm

Its how we operate, because there are no B teams. Its too hard to make the jump from playing in primavera squads to Juventus so everyone that's worth anything gets loaned out. Like we just did with Kean this season. Like we did with Giovinco, Marchisio, Immobile, Criscito, etc. Its pointless to follow our primavera, we just follow the loaness at Juve.

Which is off topic, why bring up the lack of good Juve youth teams to defend Jese?
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Post by farfan on Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:17 pm

@rincon wrote:Its how we operate, because there are no B teams. Its too hard to make the jump from playing in primavera squads to Juventus so everyone that's worth anything gets loaned out. Like we just did with Kean this season. Like we did with Giovinco, Marchisio, Immobile, Criscito, etc. Its pointless to follow our primavera, we just follow the loaness at Juve.

Which is off topic, why bring up the lack of good Juve youth teams to defend Jese?


You and S didn't just dismiss Jese, you also questioned the overall quality of Madrid' youth products.

It's only natural for people to bring up some of Castilla's elite players, and also remind you of how worthless your own youth products are. hmm
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