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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by sportsczy on Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:03 pm

He got benched last year a lot and got benched by Carlo this year because of his work rate... he's very lazy.  The issue that kept coming up was that his off the pitch lifestyle was affecting his on the pitch performance.  I don't know about that.  But he did hang out with Ramos a lot and Ramos hits the night spots a lot.

What it comes down to it, he's a wing player...  not a CF  As a wing player, you need to do a minimum of defensive work which Ozil doesn't often do.  If by chance you don't defend at all, then you need to be a complete firecracker on the attack since you're supposed to have saved all your energy for that.

A shame with Ozil...  wonderful talent.  But he's acting like Berbatov.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by B-Mac on Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:26 pm

Rooney>>>Ozil

said it before say it again
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Toffer Harley on Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:28 pm

yea, cauz they are so similar..

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by B-Mac on Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:29 pm

@Toffer Harley wrote:yea, cauz they are so similar..

positionally they are both #10's...
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Ion Creanga on Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:35 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:so wait a minute, you've been top of table all season, today you had a disastrous game for a number of reasons, with Özil's performance surely not in the top 5 of those reasons and now is the time to really get to the bottom of this Özil problem, right?
well, he was at fault for the third goal and was useless the rest of the game against a Liverpool defense that doesn't shine... Not as bad as Mertesacker for sure, who got outplayed by every Pool player that got near the Arsenal's box.
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Valkyrja on Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:36 pm

if you dislike Ozil as a footballer means that you didn't taste Isco  Laughing 

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Lord Awesome on Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:43 pm

Meh, simple Knee-Jerk.

Right about Ozil but I don't think it's him who should be criticized. Wenger should know his players.

Also Isco =/= Ozil. Isco an SS. Ozil's a true AM. :coffee:

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by The Franchise on Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:47 pm

The easiest way to put this is, he is a 10, what did you expect really?

You keep saying midfielder, like they are all one big bracket of players who all do the same thing and you expect them all to do the same thing.

Which do you know which doesnt stroll around to some degree and then try through passes which fail more than they work..that's the nature of the pass, that's why only certain talents are capable of them at all.

Which 10 do you know which retreats into defensive position as fast as he lost the ball?

Hardly any is the answer.

Nothing has changed and nothing will change, there are no perfect players out there who have it all. Ozil no different, he has flaws like anyone else.

That wont change your opinion of him, but maybe you should keep in mind what he is and what can do and what he cant.

You cant really blame players for not doing things they havent done before.

Be thankful you have him, because nearly everyone within the club speaks about the change he has brought to the team's psychology.
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by VendettaRed07 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:57 pm

Stupid thread. Ozil is a fantastic player. without any wingers or strikers what the hell is he supposed to do


We came unprepared. Made no sort of tactical adjustments. That's it.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:00 pm

Dani is perfectly correct. Players are what they are, anf fustration only comes when you imagine a player to be more than he is, or you think him capable of doing the impossible simply because he is being lavished with useless terms like "best n10 in europe".

At the end of the day, all you said about Ozil is true but that's the kind of player he is. You can enhance his qualities by the type of team that you build around him. For example, a double pivot of arteta and wilshere when you have Ozil at AM is extremely risky. What are you doing as a team to compensate for him? and what are you doing as a team to enhance his passing and vision? do you have a wide threat? or quality CF? Ozil is not Zidane, he isnt going to rule a game by himself, and even Zidane needed help


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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Pedram on Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:02 pm

This is why we got rid of him, he's so lazy and uninvolved sometimes, doesn't come back to help defensive midfielders which put extra pressure on defenders.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:05 pm

@El Gunner wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:so wait a minute, you've been top of table all season, today you had a disastrous game for a number of reasons, with Özil's performance surely not in the top 5 of those reasons, and now is the time to really get to the bottom of this Özil problem, right?
As I've said it's something that's been bothering me for a while now. If you had been a regular in post-match threads in the Arsenal section this season you would've known.

I admit that the result and performance today was frustrating and it was the catalyst to me just wanting to speak my mind on him.

fair enough, I can see how he can be frustrating to watch, but I think there are misunderstandings involved.
Just because he isn't the kind of player to rum 30m with the ball, score a screamer and then pound his chest doesn't mean he doesn't make things happen, but he is first and foremost a player that needs to play TOGETHER with other players.
Also his body language isn't that of Wilshere for example, Wilshere is always like 'look at me, I'm making a statement', while Özil is more like 'move on, nothing to see here'. If you dislike that, sure.

On the other hand I think he IS already working well with your midfield, it's just that he doesn't mind keeping and passing the ball around if there are no clear opportunities to play a through ball.
That may not be spectacular, but for me it's better than to lose the ball in a hastily executed attack.
I've also heard Arsenal fans say, "he was 50m, he should win us games on his own like Suarez ffs" -well as Jay said he's not that kind of player, and it's not his fault a) that his price tag is so high (and that you overpaid for him) and b) that you're so starved of expensive signings that this one has so much meaning attached.

In today's game, you might ask why you are playing such a high defensive line against such quick and strong on the counter strikers when your pressing is only half ass, and when your fullbacks can't handle going forward like that. You could ask if not maybe Gibbs could've started, or Rosicky for the Ox.


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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Highburied on Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:05 pm

In games like these, its much better to just let it go and move on because if we want to scapegoat than its so easy.

Özil is a fancy player and Fabregas was no different but our team was built around him and with Özil is hard a little because our main player in attack is Giroud :facepalm:
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Bellabong on Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:06 pm

I have been saying Özil is lazy/complacent since the EUROS...

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Highburied on Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:08 pm

And some kneejerk smart asses here are pathetic.

How many times I have to read... "I have been saying bla bla.."

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Toffer Harley on Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:14 pm

@B-Mac wrote:
@Toffer Harley wrote:yea, cauz they are so similar..

positionally they are both #10's...

thanks sherlock, and that's also where pretty much all similarities end. standing in the garage doesn't make you a car.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Lord Awesome on Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:20 pm

Fabregas actually had workrate, though.

Also, let's not make Giroud the scapegoat.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Pedram on Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:28 pm

60 minute player who can't run more than 9km a game.

Wenger should give him more rest, maybe he's just isn't used to EPL's schedule.


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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Dnmac4 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:42 pm

@El Gunner wrote:I've been wanting to say this for a long time, and today was the catalyst which I needed.

As many of you know by now, I've been critical of Özil for most of this season. I know what this might seem like. This might seem like a knee-jerk, or a 17-year old *bleep* ass, who knows nothing at all what he is talking about. But the thing remains, I just dislike Mesut Özil as a footballer.

For starters, he isn't the type of player (midfielder) I like. Imo, midfielders should be lively and energetic and always looking to run. Özil is just the opposite of that. He just strolls around waiting to get hold of the ball and then try to make a good through ball, which he fails at 80% of the time. He's slow and takes his time on the ball. Evident when he was dispossessed leading to one of the Liverpool goals today, and when he was outnumbered and made a cringeworthy pass that didn't find its way to a teammate, and which in turn led to another Liverpool goal. When Özil is dispossessed he never retreats/recovers to retain possession. Some of his movement is good, and he makes some devastating passes every now and then. But that just isn't enough for me. It just isn't. A midfielder should be hungry and should be working hard most of the time, and when I look at Özil on the pitch - just his face and body language - I can't see any hunger, grit nor determination.

You can throw all the stats at me about how many assists he's made since whenever, but I don't care.
He is supposed to be world class. He is supposed to be worth £40+ million for us. Well guess what. He isn't.

There! I've said it. Sorry if you disagree, but this is just my view on it. Slaughter me all you want.

PS: I actually wanted to title this thread: "I'm done with Mesut Özil"

Let me guess, you're done with Mesut Ozil and have been critical of him all year but you think Jack Wilshere or Aaron Ramsey are world class or close to it? Does that about sum it up?

Here are some of your quotes:
1) "then try to make a good through ball, which he fails at 80% of the time"

2) "when he was outnumbered and made a cringeworthy pass that didn't find its way to a teammate, and which in turn led to another Liverpool goal."

3)"Some of his movement is good, and he makes some devastating passes every now and then. But that just isn't enough for me."

I could say the same about Wilshere to a much worse degree. Let's compare the two from your quotes.

1) If Ozil's through balls are not good enough for you or fail with too much regularity then I shutter to think what your opinion on Jack Wilshere's SHOULD BE.

2) Jack is a specialist at running with the ball into a crowd of defenders and having no end product or turning it over and leaving the team out of position since technically he's supposed to be further back than Ozil. At least Ozil doesn't put himself in these positions due to runs that fail.

3) If good movement and devastating passing isn't enough for you than god knows why this thread is about Ozil and not Wilshere. Wilshere has a terrible scoring and assist record over the past couple years whil Ozil's is fantastic and he brings very little in the defensive department just like Ozil although he does contribute more.

I have been saying this for a while and this is just another example in my opinion at how "Big Game(LOL) Jack gets such a pass for poor performances while others catch the blame or are said not to be playing up to standards. Especially for a player in Wilshere who has accomplished absolutely nothing in his career but it's Ozil who is sub par and you are done with.

Every time I see this it's staggering to me especially when this is Ozil's first year in the EPL playing with this group of players. Yet a guy who only knows the EPL and has been playing with this lot forever is not the one being singled out.
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by danyjr on Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:52 pm

@Highburied wrote:In games like these, its much better to just let it go and move on because if we want to scapegoat than its so easy.

Özil is a fancy player and Fabregas was no different but our team was built around him and with Özil is hard a little because our main player in attack is Giroud :facepalm:
Fàbregas consistently had the most distance covered out of all Arsenal players every match. Özil on the other hand is infamous for having the lungs of a 60 year old smoker.

Özil is not a box to box midfielder who'd be your engine in the middle of the field. He's a world class creator and as someone mentioned it already, he needs players who work tirelessly to get behind the opposition backline. And until the day that donkey is playing up front, it will be the same the story with him will remain the same.


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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Le Samourai on Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:52 pm

How did this become about Wilshere? He was the only Arsenal player who gave a shit today, and some of the criticisms are absurd. Wilshere pushes the ball just like Ozil should be pushing the ball. Have you ever watched a premier league game in your life? Pushing the ball is pretty much the most effective thing you can do in the league.

Period.

Then you'll come in here and call Yaya the best player in the league. What a load of rubbish.

Anyway, Ozil is not doing some things he's quite capable of doing, and it's pretty much down to either laziness or fatigue. Go back and watch Arsenal's home game against Liverpool, the speed Arsenal were playing at was immense, Now Arsenal are slower, and that's a direct result of Ozil being worse (save me the Ramsey nonsense) He needs a rest and an Wenger needs to get mad at him.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by LeBéninois on Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:46 pm

[quote="danyjr"]
@Highburied wrote:


Özil is not a box to box midfielder who'd be your engine in the middle of the field. He's a world class creator and as someone mentioned it already, he needs players who work tirelessly to get behind the opposition backline. And until the day that donkey is playing up front, it will be the same the story with him will remain the same.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by B-Mac on Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:06 pm

@Toffer Harley wrote:
@B-Mac wrote:
@Toffer Harley wrote:yea, cauz they are so similar..

positionally they are both #10's...

thanks sherlock, and that's also where pretty much all similarities end. standing in the garage doesn't make you a car.

ya except a person standing in garage is not the same thing at all, these are both footballers playing the same position.....terrible analogy there sherlock
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Toffer Harley on Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:45 pm

@B-Mac wrote:
@Toffer Harley wrote:
@B-Mac wrote:

positionally they are both #10's...

thanks sherlock, and that's also where pretty much all similarities end. standing in the garage doesn't make you a car.

ya except a person standing in garage is not the same thing at all, these are both footballers playing the same position.....terrible analogy there sherlock

rooney clearly represents more of a SS than a classic playmaker. as of now, he is also assisting goals but that still doesn't make him the type of player like oscar, özil, silva and the like. so if you wanna look strictly at the label that is assigned to the one in the hole behind the 9, than that would be the 10. are they acting the same way for every team? of course not, so just go and watch hockey.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Dnmac4 on Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:10 am

@Le Samourai wrote:How did this become about Wilshere? He was the only Arsenal player who gave a shit today, and some of the criticisms are absurd. Wilshere pushes the ball just like Ozil should be pushing the ball. Have you ever watched a premier league game in your life? Pushing the ball is pretty much the most effective thing you can do in the league.

Period.

Then you'll come in here and call Yaya the best player in the league. What a load of rubbish.

Anyway, Ozil is not doing some things he's quite capable of doing, and it's pretty much down to either laziness or fatigue. Go back and watch Arsenal's home game against Liverpool, the speed Arsenal were playing at was immense,  Now Arsenal are slower, and that's a direct result of Ozil being worse (save me the Ramsey nonsense) He needs a rest and an Wenger needs to get mad at him.

LOL, you really have no point.

Yes, Yaya IMO is the best overall player in the EPL, he was also voted the best player on the African Continent (It's a big place with a lot of really good footballers) a couple years running now.

I've watched Yaya play almost every position on the field during his career and shut out the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez in a CL final playing as a defender. Horsing midfield's as a DM and playing sublime football as an attacking midfielder. I really don't know who is a better and more complete footballer than Yaya in the EPL so again I have no idea what your point is.

If your comparing Jack to Yaya like some Arsenal fans tried doing a couple years ago(they actually said he was better than him), just stop, step away from the keyboard and try to get some kind of rational brainwave's going on in your head.

It's about Wilshere because "Big Game Jack" has a horrible scoring and assist record and turns the ball over more than Ozil not to mention almost everything the poster critisized Ozil for can be said about Jack and it's even worse in his case, but you got me, he does hustle more than Ozil which was never Ozil's game in the first place so why anyone would expect it is really mind boggling.

It's turned into a decent sized portion of Arsenal fans scapegoating the likes of Cazorla or now Ozil but Jack skates on having accomplished nothing, consistently not showing up in big games and having one of the worst conversion ratio's of a player in his position that's supposed to be a great player I have ever seen.

I mean you are actually sitting here acting like Jack had a good game today, the game was over in 20 minutes. The whole team played bad, and no one in midfield played well they could have given up 6 goals in like 15 minutes. There was no resistance what so ever from anyone yet it's Ozil being singled out in this thread like he played not only bad today but has been bad all year.

I mean Ozil will probably finish the year with around 8-10 goals and 12-15 Assists in the EPL. Jacks's best year ever is 1 goal and 3 assists in an EPL season. But Ozil is the scapegoat, and Jack is big game Jack. It's insane.
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