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Post by MJ Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:15 pm

This thread has been derailed to an amazing degree.

Goes from Özil's playing style to Wilshere apparently hardly being a decent player to Salieri's alleged obsession with Mozart.

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Post by 1991 Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:09 pm

Ehh, I've been hesitant to criticize our clubs biggest transfer coup since Bergkamp but I have to admit I've shared some of you're cynicism since last year. Ozil might shine against the Villa's & Stoke's & the cannon fodder in La Liga & International football(No, his WC2010 performance wasn't that impressive) but I don't feel likes he's anywhere near what he was hyped up to be by the continentals, since moving to the EPL that's become apparent.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:31 am

let's just accept that Ozil is a marvelously talented player with ridiculous class, but a small bits footballer ok?
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Post by RealGunner Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:31 pm

Has been absolutely fantastic since coming back from injury. Bulked up and is physically miles better. Has been outperforming the likes of Silva, Cesc and other pretenders. Only Cazorla and Hazard have been better

Should have had another assist today



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Post by MJ Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:59 pm

Shoving Crystalona rugby stars off and defending for all he's worth, plus that gorgeous run Alexis should have finished, he's stepped up to the plate and delivered :bow:
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Post by Art Morte Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:28 pm

RealGunner wrote:Has been absolutely fantastic since coming back from injury. Bulked up and is physically miles better. Has been outperforming the likes of Silva, Cesc and other pretenders. Only Cazorla and Hazard have been better


No.
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Post by El Gunner Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:32 pm

Who renamed my thread title??
Surely there's a breach there somewhere on my privacy and right to freedom of speech.
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Post by MJ Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:33 pm

Art Morte wrote:
RealGunner wrote:Has been absolutely fantastic since coming back from injury. Bulked up and is physically miles better. Has been outperforming the likes of Silva, Cesc and other pretenders. Only Cazorla and Hazard have been better


No.


Come off it, he's a much better playmaker than Thiago Silva.
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Post by RealGunner Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:33 pm

More goals and assists than him since coming back.

Better performances too.

Silva was invisible in every match before today's since Jan.
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Post by El Gunner Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:35 pm

lol Ozil hasn't been better than Silva.
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Post by RealGunner Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:39 pm

El Gunner wrote:lol Ozil hasn't been better than Silva.


why not?
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:41 pm

El Gunner wrote:Who renamed my thread title??
Surely there's a breach there somewhere on my privacy and right to freedom of speech.


I do agree. Unacceptable, revisionist, unneccesary.
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Post by RealGunner Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:44 pm

Think a mod merged a different Ozil thread with this.
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Post by El Gunner Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:44 pm

Silva has been the only light in City's indifferent form so far this year. Been getting back to his immaculate best with his touches and through balls, and also scoring.

Ozil not even the best midfielder in our team, that's Cazorla. He's done better and put in more effort than he has before, yes, but has been nothing special so far.
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Post by El Gunner Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:46 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
El Gunner wrote:Who renamed my thread title??
Surely there's a breach there somewhere on my privacy and right to freedom of speech.


I do agree. Unacceptable, revisionist, unneccesary.

Thank You
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Post by rwo power Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:57 pm

El Gunner wrote:Who renamed my thread title??
Surely there's a breach there somewhere on my privacy and right to freedom of speech.
I did, because the topic did not reflect the discussion anymore. If you insist you can rename it back, but I think the discussion has evolved pretty far away by now.
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Post by El Gunner Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:02 pm

Meh it's okay I guess.
Not really worth it bitching about something this silly.
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Post by RealGunner Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:09 pm

El Gunner wrote:Silva has been the only light in City's indifferent form so far this year. Been getting back to his immaculate best with his touches and through balls, and also scoring.

Ozil not even the best midfielder in our team, that's Cazorla. He's done better and put in more effort than he has before, yes, but has been nothing special so far.


I think we both know that you had to make all of that up just for the sake of it.

Silva has been poor, and all the stats back that up along with his performances. Before today, he had 1 goal and 0 assists in the last 8 app. Ozil surpassed that in 4 games. He has been instrumental in all of our wins with being a top 3 at least in most of those games if not MOTM(like against Villa and Leicester) and was even our best player against Spurs.

I have no idea what you want him to do to like him but if his goals and assists are not doing anything for you, then you should just admit you don't like him in any way and it is no longer a question about his effort.
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Post by Art Morte Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:28 pm

You can't use short-term stats to compare players. If you do, QPR's Matthew Phillips is one of the best wingers in the league, three assists in his last two games.

Silva is simply a better player than Özil. He makes the whole City attack tick and is incredibly versatile. What has made him less effective recently is what has made the whole City team less effective, missing Yaya in midfield and even Nasri missed a few games and before that they didn't have Aguero. It's a tough task to be a great AM when behind you you have the spiritual brothers Fernando and Fernandinho, out on the right the I'm-one-with-the-sideline Navas and at worst James Milner starting as striker.

Özil is a fine player and world-class on his day, but Silva is simply even better. He just oozes class and makes everyone around him better.

Looking at minutes-per-goal-or-assist, also surpasses Özil in that category when you look at the whole season.
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Post by El Gunner Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:43 pm

What I don't get is why some Arsenal fans preach on him instantly when he does something good that's minor.

It's like they want him to be that good, that they start overhyping and overrating his performances just for the sake of it.
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Post by Art Morte Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:55 pm

When talking about Özil, the subject I find the most interesting right now is Theo Walcott; does he fit in the XI and if he doesn't, should he look for a move? hmm

What's Arsenal's best XI attacking-wise anyway?

Giroud; Sanchez, Özil, Walcott?
Giroud; Sanchez, Özil, Cazorla?

Welbeck started today and Walcott didn't play, was he injured or just a matter of preference?

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Post by MJ Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:55 pm

Art Morte wrote:You can't use short-term stats to compare players. If you do, QPR's Matthew Phillips is one of the best wingers in the league, three assists in his last two games.

Silva is simply a better player than Özil. He makes the whole City attack tick and is incredibly versatile. What has made him less effective recently is what has made the whole City team less effective, missing Yaya in midfield and even Nasri missed a few games and before that they didn't have Aguero. It's a tough task to be a great AM when behind you you have the spiritual brothers Fernando and Fernandinho, out on the right the I'm-one-with-the-sideline Navas and at worst James Milner starting as striker.

Özil is a fine player and world-class on his day, but Silva is simply even better. He just oozes class and makes everyone around him better.

Looking at minutes-per-goal-or-assist, also surpasses Özil in that category when you look at the whole season.


Last eight apps is a huge difference compared to last two. That's over the span of more than a month whereas two games could be three days apart so it's not ridiculous to say something like that, how is that 'short term stats?'

And you can only play with what you have, Silva is having a good goalscoring season and is definitely one of the best CAMs in the world but he's suffering without Toure, right?

I don't recall anything but a barrage of criticism last year when Özil dared step onto the pitch without coming off of it with 4 assists and a Ballon d'Or even though Walcott, Ramsey (and Özil himself) were injured for huge amounts of the season, depriving him of his best runners and goal threats. His options were horrible and to cap it off, Wenger decided to change our system and have all of our creative players rely on Mathieu Flamini for protection while playing Özil on the left this season. So if you pull that card, it's only fair to put it in perspective with the criticism Özil was getting.

They're both world class players, I wouldn't boldly say one is better than the other or speculate what it is that they might ooze but it's just ridiculous not to praise Özil's form since his return. He's stepped up his game and has been great. End of.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:56 pm

El Gunner wrote:What I don't get is why some Arsenal fans preach on him instantly when he does something good that's minor.

It's like they want him to be that good, that they start overhyping and overrating his performances just for the sake of it.


Agree.
I'm completely at a loss to understand why fans of a team might appreciate it if a player does something good for their team.
Makes way more sense to moan about your team's players without any reason.
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Post by Art Morte Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:58 pm

Özil may well have been great, but I wouldn't say he's been better than Silva and generally speaking I'd say Silva is better.
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Post by Valkyrja Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:17 pm

Ozil is better than Silva and the best AM in the world when in-form. Silva may be a bit better dribbler though.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:26 pm

last time Ozil was in form was two years ago
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