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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Sri on Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:34 pm

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by rincon on Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:20 pm

Using the fact that Madrid sold him to discredit the player :facepalm:

Its not like they've been known to sell top talent to accommodate other big purchases or whatever else. You know, like Di Maria, Ozil, Higuain, Sneijder, Robben, Eto'o, Seedorf, Figo, Morientes, Makelele, etc.

Soon we can add James to that list.
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Sri on Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:51 pm

How dare you!

rincon, if Madrid sold them, that means they are dogpiss. That logic can not and should not be questioned. It is not for mere mortals to challenge such grand designs.

Also, Özil is the only reason why Madrid never won La Decima. Manager, staff, other players, etc had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

That is why they won CL twice as soon as they sold Özil.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Socur Toxanarosa on Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:20 pm

@rincon wrote:Using the fact that Madrid sold him to discredit the player :facepalm:

Its not like they've been known to sell top talent to accommodate other big purchases or whatever else. You know, like Di Maria, Ozil, Higuain, Sneijder, Robben, Eto'o, Seedorf, Figo, Morientes, Makelele, etc.

Soon we can add James to that list.


There are great players in your list, but this decade Real Madrid stopped with the stupid sales; They sold Di Maria, Ozil and Higuain for good prices, unlike Robben and Sneijder. Ozil simply was not good enough to play for them, at least as a starter.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Valkyrja on Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:30 pm

@Socur Toxanarosa wrote:
@rincon wrote:Using the fact that Madrid sold him to discredit the player :facepalm:

Its not like they've been known to sell top talent to accommodate other big purchases or whatever else. You know, like Di Maria, Ozil, Higuain, Sneijder, Robben, Eto'o, Seedorf, Figo, Morientes, Makelele, etc.

Soon we can add James to that list.


There are great players in your list, but this decade Real Madrid stopped with the stupid sales; They sold Di Maria, Ozil and Higuain for good prices, unlike Robben and Sneijder. Ozil simply was not good enough to play for them, at least as a starter.


We sold Ozil because we couldn't play with a 10 anymore after Bale's arrival.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by MJ on Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:22 pm

These stupid comparisons will stop when the All About Mesut Özil thread is about Mesut Özil and not the flavor of the month playmaker next in line to compare to him.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Sri on Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:25 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:
@Socur Toxanarosa wrote:
@rincon wrote:Using the fact that Madrid sold him to discredit the player :facepalm:

Its not like they've been known to sell top talent to accommodate other big purchases or whatever else. You know, like Di Maria, Ozil, Higuain, Sneijder, Robben, Eto'o, Seedorf, Figo, Morientes, Makelele, etc.

Soon we can add James to that list.


There are great players in your list, but this decade Real Madrid stopped with the stupid sales; They sold Di Maria, Ozil and Higuain for good prices, unlike Robben and Sneijder. Ozil simply was not good enough to play for them, at least as a starter.


We sold Ozil because we couldn't play with a 10 anymore after Bale's arrival.

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No no, let's selectively ignore facts that don't fit our hating please Razz
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Socur Toxanarosa on Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:02 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:We sold Ozil because we couldn't play with a 10 anymore after Bale's arrival.

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Because you bought Bale in the first place, a much better player.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Sri on Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:07 pm

Yes, they are clearly playing in the same position and bring the same attributes to the team.

Lets call Bale the best playmaker in the world then. He's clearly superior. Just look at his price tag. Surely it can't be that Levy simply ripped Uncle Flo for the flavor-of-the-season. That would be non sense.
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Socur Toxanarosa on Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:16 pm

@Sri wrote:Yes, they are clearly playing in the same position and bring the same attributes to the team.

Lets call Bale the best playmaker in the world then. He's clearly superior. Just look at his price tag. Surely it can't be that Levy simply ripped Uncle Flo for the flavor-of-the-season. That would be non sense.


Bale doesn't need to be a playmaker or a similar style of player, he did take his place and forced a system change, Di Maria who was playing in RW(Bale's position in Madrid) was kept in the midfield.

In other words, Carlo removed the CAM position to accommodate a better player, it's that simple.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by halamadrid2 on Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:20 pm

Özil was sold because he wanted to leave. He didn't want to fight for a spot and his dad was super annoying who kept asking for more money. ADM left because he wanted alot more money than RM were willing to offer. Both these guys were dazzling and could provided assists with their eyes closed. Just like it has always been RM can adapt to any departures. That is why players have no bargaining power against our club unless they are a one in a life time player like Ronaldo or the captain of the Spanish team like Ramos

And no James will not be sold because we are trying to accomodate a big money signing. To the contrary he is the big money signing that is being shafted by academy kids who cost us nothing. With ZZ we are shifting away from buying players for the sake of it and instead play the players that fit the system and that work hard to earn playingtime. We have a few guys out on loan that are expected to come back next season and make us even stronger. I am glad that has happened. I was sick and tired of buying players we didn't need who a bunch of liabilities. It's true we didn't need Bale when we bought him but he knuckled down and worked hard to improve despite getting boos for nearly his whole first season. He could have been comfortable in his position knowing he wouldn't be replaced like a certain fremchman but instead he improved every aspects of his game and is now our most dangerous attacker

Anyways about Özil, he will never come back. He has made sure he has followed our team since he left always commenting during clasicos and the players loved him but Perez' ego is too huge to get someone back he sold against the fans' wishes and we aren't exactly in need of him atm anyways
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:36 pm

Has replaced Di Maria as the premier scrub killer in football. Looks like Maradona vs Ludogorets but plays like a scrub against serious teams, such a disappointment. Madrid changed their fate when they sold him

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Winter is Coming on Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:38 pm

Tbf that probably has to do with the manager he's under.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by RealGunner on Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:43 pm

He is being managed terribly. Was asked to chase 2nd balls or win headers today after Cech's long balls.

Being run to the ground. 5 games in 15 days now. No other manager would play him in dead matches like Arsene does.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Jay29 on Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:44 pm

Whatever the cause, he shows an alarming lack of effort in tough away matches. He can still produce quality moments when he has the ball but without it he's become a liability. Doesn't close down with Alexis, but doesn't drop into midfield either. Lets the game go by him then moans at his team mates for not giving him the ball. Always second best in duels as well.

There's an element of the team not doing enough to support him and bring the best from him, but the player himself is showing a tendency to hide in these difficult matches.
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by sportsczy on Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:54 pm

Most players aren't any more or any less of the player they should be... they are exactly what they are destined to be.  Only when factors like drug addiction, injuries, etc. factor in can you truly say that a player didn't meet his destiny.  

Ozil is a very good player.  The problem is, like most young super talented players, people projected him to be the next Zidane, Platini, etc.  Every player falls short because those guys are top 10 players of all time.

To me, Ozil is someone who can only thrive when his team is ball dominant.  Arsenal are rarely ball dominant against better teams.  He's certainly not one who is going to impact the game in ball recovery and defense.  His personality isn't one of a fighter when faced with adversity either. So his ineffectiveness in this City game where Arsenal couldn't keep the ball was predictable to me.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Art Morte on Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:56 pm

Basically what Jay said.

Özil is too happy to rely solely on his skills without putting in a shift. He seems to think it's not his fault if his teammates aren't playing well enough to dominate the match and get the ball to him.
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by footyfan01 on Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:02 pm

Madrid were not a ball dominating team, Germany when they broke relied on counters & Ozil fit well - So that is a wrong argument.

Ozil is not an elite level player so it is wrong to accept he will win you big games. Also he is not a good goal scorer which will drag him down n reduce his effectiveness.

What he needs is too fast pacy wingers making good reasons into the box which will utilize his vision.

But yes he is not an elite player, coupled up with his defensive weakness means he should be getting a lesser wage than Sanchez who will give you goals & can play LW/RW/ST & can slot into many teams.

Where will Ozil realistically go on a big wage considering his disappearing act & lack of goals & defensive contribution & moderate speed (vs a Winger)

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by sportsczy on Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:26 pm

Germany were/are absolutely a ball dominant team. Low is a Pep admirer and plays the same type of game.  Real Madrid only failed to dominate the ball against the likes of Barca and Bayern...  the games Ozil struggled in.  He was incredible for Madrid when we had control of the ball.

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Thimmy on Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:32 pm

@RealGunner wrote:He is being managed terribly. Was asked to chase 2nd balls or win headers today after Cech's long balls.

Being run to the ground. 5 games in 15 days now. No other manager would play him in dead matches like Arsene does.






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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by titosantill on Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:54 pm

typical ozil, fantastic player....when his team is controlling the event as sportczy said. when the going gets tough, he's not the kind of guy you can rely on. except maybe he can pull something out in a set piece situation. that was my biggest issue with him at madrid (also the fact he used to get tired in the second half of every game), and its like that has not changed at arsenal.
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Nishankly on Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:34 am



Unacceptable for any team. Arsenal fans remember what time was this during the match? As the video shows nothing about before this passage or the time on the clock.
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by RealGunner on Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:18 am

70th minute

I know Ozil is being targeted there but just look at the rest of the team as well. Pathetic.
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:54 pm

Such a disappointing player, Arsenal fans should be happy he is leaving

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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by RealGunner on Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:56 pm

Wouldn't care either way now.

Only Arsenal player I have attachment to is Koscielny. Rest can all leave if they want.
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Re: All about Mesut Özil

Post by Kaladin on Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:58 pm

Even Sanchez? Per? Bellerin? Think thats a bit harsh

But yes, Mesut is a horrible little smoker who's more concerned with extrinsic rewards than anything else
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