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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by windkick on Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:39 am

Maybe Pep is available lol

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by neuro11 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:22 am

Win or Lose we play Cruyff Way  pirat 
but after the loss ...................
bring stat to prove its not Cruyff way
or hammer players because they din execute cruyff way
and sell some players because they don fit Cruyff way
and bash some fans because they do not understand Cruyff way  Laughing 

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by Guiltybystander on Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:23 pm

Although I would be very sad to see him leave, I think De Boer would be your best option- and I wouldn't be surprised if they'll try to get him.

He has a great eye for team renewal/buying players (which you will need), and he has really proven he can turn around a team.

He can have absolute fluke matches though, which might have to do more with having a young, inexperienced team than him though.

If he goes, I would like him to go to Barca though. There he can at least continue with the kind of football he plays, and he stays sort of "within the family" because of the Ajax connection.

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by larisano_is_back on Thu May 01, 2014 6:37 am

Maybe Pep'll get fed up of the Bayern meddlers and find his way back home. Trust me, it would create headlines if that happened,tbh. And then, he can become our own SAF.... Wink Smile Very Happy

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by futbol on Thu May 01, 2014 4:21 pm

It's Luis Enrique. Pretty much confirmed by former Barca B legend Nolito.

"I think Luis Enrique will train Barca next season."

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by CBarca on Fri May 02, 2014 2:38 am

Well, Bielsa is no longer an option.

Probably one of my favorites. Picked either him or Martinez, I don't remember who anymore. No I didn't vote AVB Laughing

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by eelir on Fri May 02, 2014 4:39 am

Hmmm. I have my reserves about him. His spell at Roma was not that good if i remember correctly?
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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by The Franchise on Fri May 02, 2014 11:49 am

Its true, he didnt do well at Roma. But many argue it was because he was trying to change alot, in a foreign country and had resistance. Doesnt have that problem here.

Before that, he coached Barca B and got them promoted in the Segunda after being out of it for like a decade. Then the next season they were in the playoff's, but obviously they cant be promoted to La Liga so didnt enter.

Celta are 10th now in the league, which is pretty impressive I think.

I am reserved about him also, but I believe in his personality (his biggest assest as a player I believe) and I he seems to know his stuff.
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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by futbol on Fri May 02, 2014 12:28 pm

The positive about Lucho is that he's a rigorous personality from what I know. He wasn't afraid of benching Totti (although it backfired Laughing) so I'm not scared that he'd bench Xavi or Cesc if necessary and I don't think the "old guard" could undermine him either as Lucho is a Barca legend. The likes of Xavi even played together with him, fss. He is also a fan of a proper fitness regimen from what I've heard. Apparently the main reason why last season the squad opted against Lucho if gossip is to be believed. Laughing

However I would take his achievements with Barca B with a grain of salt. Even Eusebio has them 6 points off the top right now in 3th place and I think Lucho actually had a better squad with Thiago in midfield and Soriano scoring 30+ goals, Bartra and Montoya in defense etc.

Similarly his achievement with Celta. Paco Jemez has an even worse squad and has them above Celta playing all out attacking football (remember, outpossessing Barca). Being 10th is not that much of an achievement now. They are a bit more comfortable than last season because they have added the quality of Rafinha who is easily their best player and Nolito who is comfortably better than Aspas. Defense is about the same but offense they have done better as a result.

Overall you don't need to be a tactical genius to coach this Barca. If he's disciplined and makes the players work hard and doesn't get his lineups totally wrong and rotates properly to not exhaust players that's 90 % job well done.

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri May 02, 2014 12:36 pm

I'm not sold on LE myself. I mostly remember him from his Roma days, and unlike now I did watch a fair number of games back then. My biggest problem is that his style did not evolve over time. His team never incorporated the pressing that we have lost and need, didn't find a way to penetrate defenses and often looked to be the stereotyped back & sideways passing possession side for possession's sake. The fact that he also quit in spite of having the support of the board also does not bode well with me.


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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by The Franchise on Fri May 02, 2014 12:44 pm

To be honest, results and achievements are very secondary to me when looking at coaches..its never that simple.

What BC says is a bigger concern however.

I dont really have an opinion, there are both positives and negatives.

He is my all time favourite Barcelona player, so of course I would like to see him do well, but I also wouldnt want him to ruin his reputation with us by doing badly.
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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by BarcaLearning on Fri May 02, 2014 4:13 pm

Always loved watching the Luis Enrique, his spirit and determination was unreal!!! Will always remember him in the classicos, played like a mad man possessed!

As a manager though I have my doubts, he hasnt really done that great so far in his managerial career....
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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by futbol on Fri May 02, 2014 4:42 pm

Sport: "Luis Enrique has specifically asked to get Puyol as an assistant coach for next season."

Carles Puyol will be a part of coaching staff if Barca appoints Luis Enrique as the new manager. (Tv3)

Enrique + Puyol. I think the team will run more than under Pep in 2010. Laughing

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by shinigami99 on Fri May 02, 2014 7:47 pm

board pls let this happen Proud

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri May 02, 2014 10:28 pm

Luis Enrique: "These are pure speculations"

http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/luis-enrique-todo-son-especulaciones-3263746

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by futbol on Fri May 02, 2014 11:42 pm

Rafinha (on loan at Celta): "Again work with Luis Enrique next season, at Barça? Might be. He's doing a great job and he knows Barça." [fdv]

Getting closer and closer.

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by Robespierre on Sat May 03, 2014 2:25 am

Serie A flop LE ? OMG Laughing
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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sun May 04, 2014 1:43 am

Martino: "Sometimes in  light of these results you think you might not deserve a second chance and you have not been up for the challenge"

Almost official then.  I do think he was not up for the challenge, I'm okay with him making mistakes during his first year and I think he had a hard job with the press against him for  day 1, no pre season and no time to plan transfers. But simply repeating the same mistakes over and over sealed the deal for me.

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by shinigami99 on Sun May 04, 2014 5:00 am

Thing is, the board is not going to fire him. I think he realizes this too and is going to resign. He at least knows how much he screwed up. I'm not sure what changed between the first and 2nd half of the season but I do know that there were glaring mistakes that were not fixed which led to this (as BC said).

I'm still not sure LE is the way to go for us. Really, I'm not sure which coach would be right for us at this point. I just want the board gone.

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by BarcaLearning on Sun May 04, 2014 6:13 am

Agree with the above, Tata is unfortunately just not good enough for us.
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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by Jonathan28 on Sun May 04, 2014 2:10 pm

I prefer Tata to LE ffs.

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by neuro11 on Sun May 04, 2014 5:41 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Martino: "Sometimes in  light of these results you think you might not deserve a second chance and you have not been up for the challenge"

Almost official then.  I do think he was not up for the challenge, I'm okay with him making mistakes during his first year and I think he had a hard job with the press against him for  day 1, no pre season and no time to plan transfers. But simply repeating the same mistakes over and over sealed the deal for me.

And and ....from the day 1 the media and people around keep on asking...will you change our style,history,this and that all those rubbish??? I still can remember almost every week there was same kind of interview forcing him to walk in the specific line. We should never go for a outside coach if we can not give him freedom. i mean wait and see what he is capable of and if the guy is too far from our style you have the chance to sack him.....tata is a prime example of the result of our stupidity. the guy clearly was not his own. he was always in halfway line, too worried to be away from our style. i really hope he resigns and do his best with some other club....his 2nd year wont be any better here
we better always hire a la masia product for coaching....

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by The Franchise on Sun May 04, 2014 6:13 pm

@neuro11 wrote: i really hope he resigns and do his best with some other club....his 2nd year wont be any better here
we better always hire a la masia product for coaching....

Rijkaard and Van Gaal first time around say differently, but I understand and probably agree with the overall point your making.
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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by CBarca on Sun May 04, 2014 6:50 pm

Kinda feel bad. I guess it's just the statement itself, more than anything, it's just kind of a sad statement. I also don't agree he wasn't up for it, but it seems clear enough to me that he's just not good enough.

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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by The Franchise on Sun May 04, 2014 7:01 pm

Sad indeed. But I dont like these comments, he should be defiaint..he should defend himself..maybe that just isnt him.

But I think he lacks personality. I felt it the first time with his overly praising comments when he got the job. During the season, obviously I felt that with his failure to drop players who needed it. And this comment feels the same.

He has some legit excuses for the subpar results. Now, 100% he should not talk about them, thats weak. But saying what he said, sounds like he is giving up..when I feel other coaches would be much more defiant, even if they are lying to themselves.

Maybe he just knows he is gone and is being totally honest.
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Re: If not Martino, whom?

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Sun May 04, 2014 7:20 pm

LVG and rijkaard don't count, they're Dutch.
And Martino only said these statements after the league was lost, before that he tried to put on an optimist face

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