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Post by M99 on Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:28 pm

@Art Morte wrote:
I reckon Moyes would rather be in the Premier League than at Sociedad and theoretically he should be perfect for the Toon.


Not at all. He is quite happy there.

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Post by Robespierre on Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:41 pm

Is going Mole to regret Pardiola ? hmm

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:52 pm

Nope getting would of Pardew is the right move in the long term, I knew it wouldn't provide instant results.

He's part 1 of the 3 part plan, I'm gonna suffer in the meantime I understood that but long term it's the right thing to happen.

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Post by Onyx on Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:10 pm

Doubt the next managers going to do any better than Pardew, which is finish in the top 10. hmm
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:27 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:Doubt the next managers going to do any better than Pardew, which is finish in the top 10. hmm


Has nothing to do with the next manager and Pardew got top 10 once in 5 years lol.
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Post by Robespierre on Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:32 pm

I meant if Carver stayed anyway hmm
but yes it 'd be so weird

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:47 pm

Doesn’t matter really, because Ashley is still there. At least if Carver becomes manager it means relegation and the end justifies the means.

If McClaren becomes manager it just means another 5 years of making up the numbers and never going anywhere.

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Post by Kaladin on Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:58 pm

Didn't Ashley publicly say that he wanted to sell the club a couple of years back? (iirc)

I remember reading that all the NUFC supporters were going to join together and acquire the club from him Laughing (iirc)

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:06 pm

The other week Ashley said he won't sell Newcastle before they've won a trophy under him.
So guess you're stuck with Ashley, Mole.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:09 pm

Which is why I wanted relegation, he only cares about the exposure that a premier league club provides his businesses.

Once that's gone he'll be forced to do something he doesn't want to do, like he did last time we were relegated.

He wasn't successful but he vividly was trying to sell the club.
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Post by Tomwin Lannister on Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:13 pm

Ashley's next step is to turn Newcastle in to sports direct and shift players and staff on to Zero hour contracts Molenation

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Post by Glory on Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:25 pm

Hearing all sorts of stories about West Ham and their supposed ambition in looking to bring big managers lately. the likes of Emery, and even Klopp. Proud
But why not Newcastle ? Arent they supposed to be a higher reputation/ attraction club than Hammers. They can easily get a young talented foreign coach if they want Imo. But they are just not doing it. scratch
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:26 pm

Because their owners have ambition, our owner meanwhile doesn't give a shit.
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Post by Glory on Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:45 pm

Yea and why is that. Thats the strange and relevant part.

If Mike Ashley is business mined and dont give a damn about everything else about the club, even still isnt it fair to assume that he do know finishing higher on the table in the Premier League is actually THE way to make more money and improve his so called business.
And if his club is relegated wouldnt/shouldnt he fear that he will lose his money.


I think its not just that.

And its not like you are not spending as well. For a club of Newcastle's stature enough money is being flown out to acquire players.

Here, the figures for the past 5 seasons.

Newcastle United

Season 14/15
In:
Jack Colback Free
Ayoze £1,600,000
Siem de Jong £6,000,000
Rémy Cabella £12,000,000
Emmanuel Rivière £6,300,000
Daryl Janmaat £5,000,000
Karl Darlow £3,500,000
Jamaal Lascelles £3,500,000

Out:
Dan Gosling Free
Hatem Ben Arfa Released
Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa £5,000,000
James Tavernier £900,000
Shola Ameobi Released
Mathieu Debuchy £12,000,000
Romain Amalfitano Free

Net spend: £20m


Season 13/14
In:
Olivier Kemen Undisclosed
Loïc Remy £2,000,000

Out:
Steve Harper Released
Danny Simpson Released
James Perch £1,000,000
Brad Inman £100,000
Yohan Cabaye £20,000,000

Net spend: -£19.1m

Season 12/13
In:
Romain Amalfitano Free
Gael Bigirimana £1,000,000
Vurnon Anita £6,700,000
Curtis Good £400,000
Mathieu Debuchy £5,500,000
Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa £6,700,000
Massadio Haidara £2,000,000
Moussa Sissoko £2,500,000
Kevin Mbabu Undisclosed
Yoan Gouffran £1,200,000

Out:
Leon Best £3,000,000
Danny Guthrie Free
Fraser Forster £2,000,000
Peter Lövenkrands Free
Alan Smith Free
Demba Ba £7,500,000
Net spend: £13.5m

Season 11/12
Mehdi Abeid Free
Sylvain Marveaux Free
Yohan Cabaye £5,000,000
Gabriel Obertan £3,000,000
Davide Santon £5,300,000
Robert Elliot £100,000 Prem
Papiss Demba Cisse £10,000,000

Out:
Kevin Nolan £3,500,000
Demba Ba Free
Sanchez Jose Enrique £6,300,000
Joey Barton Free
Wayne Routledge £2,000,000
Net spend: £11.6m

Season 10/11
James Perch £1,000,000
Dan Gosling Free
Sol Campbell Free
Ismael Tioté £3,500,000
Hatem Ben Arfa £5,750,000

Out:
Andy Carroll £35m
Net spend: -£24.75m



The thing that they are selling players is a factor, players like Cabeye for instance. But unlike some other clubs at least they are scouting and getting players from foreign leagues. There is an attempt there.
Eventually yea if we take also the money got from transfers final figure is underwhelming and its true that there is no much ambition.
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Post by Glory on Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:00 pm

Excerpts from a Newcastle fan.

This isn't Tottenham's or even Southampton's pattern of expenditure. This is the expenditure of a club whose sole aim is not to get relegated, year on year. There is no other club in the BPL whose figures look remotely like this.

Which brings me to a few points in conclusion:

1. I fully agree that being in the black is generally a good thing - if the ultimate aim is to slowly improve, or to consolidate a position (e.g. Arsenal while they built the Emirates). That's not what's going on here. 13/14 shows no expenditure whatsoever, other than Remy who was a loan, why? Because the club had done too well previously, gotten into the EL, and almost gotten relegated as a result of the stresses placed on a tiny squad.

I don't agree that a football club should be run solely as a profit-making company, with no consideration for results on the pitch whatsoever - i.e. doing the minimum to avoid relegation every season and nothing more. But even if Ashley does, he has to see that he's walking a knife edge. One miscalculation sends us into the Championship, and we don't have the tightly-knit, English core (Barton, Carroll, Nolan) of a squad to bring us back up immediately again. One miscalculation means disaster.

2. We've made the most of the transfer spend because the signings made have generally been excellent value - Cabaye (£5m), Ba (free), Cisse (£10m), Sissoko (£2.5m), Colback (free). That's reflects a large degree of sheer luck and is ultimately unsustainable, even if it does reflect well on our scouting department. This season is an excellent example of why. Transfers just sometimes don't work out - this policy of doing "just enough" is, as I've said, unsustainable in the long run.

3. The Southampton analogy is interesting because they have aggressively targeted the best possible managers to make the maximum use of limited resources, e.g. sacking Adkins and replacing him with Pochettino. It's reflective of an active, energetic board sincerely trying to improve the club as far as possible. That's not what's happening here - we've stuck with Pardew not because we see him as the best possible candidate but a "good enough" candidate. This "good enough" mentality pervades every level of the club and is ultimately the source of most of the frustration.

4. I'd hang on to my hat before coming to any conclusions about Pardew on the basis of this season. He epitomizes the feasts or famines manager - last season we finished bang-average 10th, which masks as I've said an excellent first half and a P8 L7 second half. A few seasons ago we finished 5th, but we had been as high as third up till November IIRC. I'd be amazed if he can keep this up at CPFC - in fact, I actually wouldn't even be surprised, given CPFC's managerial volatility, if he wasn't in the job this time next season. The biggest Pardew thread on this board is, in fact, titled "When Will Pardew Get Sacked?"
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:02 pm

Those players were only bought because we sold key players.

Also we haven't spent a penny above what we have sold since he bought the club. There's 100s of millions in the club which goes unspent every year.

The mere fact he never sacked Pardew despite the fact he consistently went on 20 game runs of crap and never sacked Carver despite it was obvious as hell he was well out of his depth.

I don't want to say much more, information of why he's an owner who spits on the very idea of sport is out there.
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Post by Art Morte on Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:06 pm

Newcastle's problem isn't the players they buy, imo, they have made some good acquisitions in the last few years, the problem is that the club has, deservedly, gotten this "mercenaries" image. The players are constantly in the shop window. That's not good for morale, the players start thinking only about themselves and stop playing for the team, don't care about the club, don't necessarily respect the manager. There's no collective desire to improve as a team, because the club treats the players as individual assets rather than a unit, a team.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:14 pm

There's a reason for that lol, the owner doesn’t care about any of these things. In fact he actively seeks to avoid it.

He doesn't want the team to improve because that would cost money, he would rather finish 17th every year than win a trophy because that would increase expectations and equal a higher profile.

In fact one of the biggest things he's done is actively seeking to dumb down expectations every year. To the point where staying in the premier league is now considering ok.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:25 pm

We were just discussing it the other day. If you treat your players like that, no wonder you'll not get anywhere.
The players know they are commanded by vile assholes who don't give a *bleep* about them, don't think that's the way to mold a succesful or functioning team and team spirit.

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Post by DeletedUser#1 on Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:33 pm

Well, considering Brendan Rodgers is staying is our manager, i'm gonna join mole in camp of not giving a shit until the incompetent twats are gone.

Mole...you've picked Arsenal as your club meantime ? I'm deciding between Bournemouth and Westham. Even *bleep* have more ambition than us. They at least approached Emery/Benitez/Klopp...I envy them Sad

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Post by Glory on Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:38 pm

Why not pick Crystal palace bruh ? They imo fill all the blanks needed to be filled to be chosen as a second favorite team. (No offense Mole, but they are too exciting) Smile
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Post by S on Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:16 pm

Mihajlovic apparently the favorite now to become Milan manager
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Post by M99 on Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:25 pm

From Carlo to Sinisa in a day rofl

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Post by Kaladin on Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:29 pm

Not only Sinisa, Sky says we are the favorites to get the discount Italian Arsene Laughing

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Post by RealGunner on Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:32 pm

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:48 pm

BBC wrote:
Newcastle United: Patrick Vieira no longer in frame for manager's job

Patrick Vieira is out of the running to become the new head coach of Newcastle United with ex-England manager Steve McClaren favourite to get the job.

Former Arsenal and Manchester City midfielder Vieira, 38, City's under-21 manager, had been considered as a replacement for John Carver.

But both parties opted not to pursue a possible deal following differences over recruitment and transfer policy.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32980980

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