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Post by RealGunner on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:26 am

You disappeared after Messi Scored hmm

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Post by Helmer on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:29 am

but Argentina defense looked so solid when their midfield was shitting in the first half. They got a bit relaxed after that second Goal otherwise the CB played really well, of course their full backs are also good. Is their defense in top 3 in this WC hmm

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Post by Collblanc on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:38 am

5 man defense looked solid - can see sabella switching to that when 2 goals up.
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Post by Art Morte on Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:56 am

Argentina got the job done, but weren't that convincing, imo. Didn't create too many chances (just 2 shots on target according to BBC stats). Mascherano (who was shit, btw) and three CBs was a defensive overkill. But that's the toughest game of their group stage over and they got the points, so the job's been done.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:29 pm

They were much better in the second half when they brought on Gago and Higuain *shock and horror*

Messi was far too deep in the first half trying to do all the build up shit and it isolated Aguero because no one was next to him.

It's not a coincidence that once Messi had two forwards in front of him and a playmaker plus driver from midfield behind him that they looked a lot better.

Its also not a coincidence that since Sabella came in and changed it to that line up Messi hasn't stopped scoring for Argentina, all this talk about Maradona is nice but Messi isn't Maradona or Riquelme he's Messi he can pass forward nicely but he's not a playmaker leave that stuff to the other guys who know it.

He's a forward and one of the best we have ever seen, let him be that and he'll have a great WC and so will Higuain and Aguero because of it.

But then in lies the problem without Gago, Messi has to do far too much in terms of build up and without Gago they won't win this tournament or even get close.

He has to play every game, just simply because he's the only playmaker they have and without him in turns into Messi dribbling from the half way line all game.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:57 pm

@RG people showed up at my apartment and I was forced to socialize Mad

Mole I don't think the problem was the lack of Gago but the fact that maxi was the one chosen to replace him. He is an old winger, he doesn't distribute the ball, his defensive on tributos is limited, has less vision than Masche. He was basically invisible all first half. Both Enzo Pérez and Billie would have done a better job than him as a CM.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:35 pm

Fair enough BC, that's gonna be important going forward anyway.

Can't have Messi thinking he's Riquelme all tournament, it won't end well.
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Post by Nishankly on Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:40 pm

Iran already GL jinxed imo
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Post by Mamad on Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:52 pm

Iran  :bow:  dat hoofing  :bow: 

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Post by RealGunner on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:09 pm

lol first 0-0

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Post by elm_baraja_shaman on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:13 pm

Nigeria  :facepalm: 

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Post by Mamad on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:14 pm

Queiroz the park the bus master  Molenation 

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Post by BusterLfc on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:14 pm

dat Iran :bow: 
dat Ashkan  :bow: 
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Post by The Franchise on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:18 pm

I dont remember seeing a team play for a draw in the first group game, I am sure it has happened but its hard to remember.

Nigeria really, desperately, need some creativity in the final third. Someone who has an idea out there for crying out loud.

Seriously, push Mikel into the 10 position, im sure if anything he can pick out a pass to someones feet, instead of behind them, in front of them or over their head.
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Post by RealGunner on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:20 pm

They been using Odemwingie as their 10 for most of the qualification lol
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Post by Mamad on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:30 pm

I dont remember seeing a team play for a draw in the first group game, I am sure it has happened but its hard to remember.

We have to play Argentina next. that we will lose 99%. so having 1 point means in 3rd game we still have a chance to progress and Iran-Bosnia will be like a final.

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Post by messixaviesta on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:31 pm

@The Franchise wrote:I dont remember seeing a team play for a draw in the first group game, I am sure it has happened but its hard to remember.

Nigeria really, desperately, need some creativity in the final third. Someone who has an idea out there for crying out loud.

Seriously, push Mikel into the 10 position, im sure if anything he can pick out a pass to someones feet, instead of behind them, in front of them or over their head.


That's a problem with some non elite teams. After taking the ball towards goal they know nothing except taking long shots. It's frustrating to watch and it doesn't do their chances any good in spite of all the hard work and sometimes good play on the rest of the pitch.

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Post by messixaviesta on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:33 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Both Enzo Pérez and Billie would have done a better job than him as a CM.


Yes since Sabella did not take Banega he's got to trust Enzo Perez any time Gago is not available.


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Post by BusterLfc on Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:03 am

I fancy Iran's chances for a 0:0 against Argentina
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Post by zarola on Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:21 am

AFter forcing myself to watch the first half and then getting bored, I hope and would think that it's easily Argentina, Bosnia.

I can't see Bosnia losing to either of those two teams.

omg argentina vs. Iran/Nigeria is going to be a good one hahahah (although Enyeama may be the anti-Messi again )

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Post by neuro11 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:54 pm

did not watch the game: Iran- Nigeria...
So Iran parked the bus....??? Enyema would be upset not to have some practice before facing Messi  :coffee: 

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Post by Pedram on Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:52 pm

Iran parking the plane. Proud

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Post by urbaNRoots on Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:58 pm

Play the most talented player in the world out of position so you can accomodate less talented players

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Post by RealGunner on Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:16 pm

Wow Iran robbed.
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Post by RED on Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:18 pm

Argentina doesn't look impressive. struggling to create chances and overall too reliant on Messi.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:30 pm

@BusterLfc wrote:I fancy Iran's chances for a 0:0 against Argentina


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