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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by urbaNRoots on Tue May 27, 2014 4:43 pm

@Zealous wrote:
@urbaNRoots wrote:I'm not sure about Portugal qualifying honestly, some great individuals there but horrible team. USA and Ghana have have good chances to qualify.

Why would you say that? Portugal never struck me as a bad team collectively. From an individual stand point they probably don't have enough high quality players which is why they can't seem to get over the hump.

With individuals I mean, CR, Moutinho, Carvalho, Pepe, Coentrao, Varela, Beto. That is not 11 great players but still a good core.

Yet they struggle against the likes of Northern Ireland, Israel, Ecuador etc... just can't get it done. That said it depends on how USA, Germany and Ghana show up against them. I still see Portugal going through but I won't rule out either of USA and Ghana.

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Hawky on Tue May 27, 2014 4:51 pm

I believe that Germany and Ghana will qualify although Portugal haven't bottled it in a group stage since 2002.

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed May 28, 2014 4:56 am

Portugal were pretty strong imo in the last Euro.

Although they usually do lose against us, but there's an end to every streak.
I'm actually wondering when the last convincing performance of our national team was? Anyone?

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by rwo power on Wed May 28, 2014 6:12 am

The 3:2 (I think it was) in the friendly against Brazil a while ago? Or that 3:0 friendly against the Dutch?

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed May 28, 2014 7:38 am

@rwo power wrote:The 3:2 (I think it was) in the friendly against Brazil a while ago? Or that 3:0 friendly against the Dutch?

Both of these games were in 2011, before the Euro.

That's why I was asking, I didn't see every game but I can't remember one in last 1-2 years that was entirely convincing, many were actually pretty bad I think.


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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by rwo power on Wed May 28, 2014 7:47 am

Yeah, that's the problem, I guess. The German NT may have breezed through the World Cup qualification group, but the 2:1 against Austria was far less than convincing, and while the first half against Sweden in *that* match was great, let's not talk about the second half Very Happy

(If you want to see convincing matches of a German NT, you probably need to watch the ladies XD)

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Art Morte on Wed May 28, 2014 8:10 am

What's interesting is that the first matches are Germany v Portugal and Ghana v USA. So, if there are no draws, we will have a situation where there will be a bit of pressure on the loser of GER v POR and on the other hand the winner of GHA v USA are going to feel quite optimistic about their chances. This could be a very exciting group.
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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Ganso on Wed May 28, 2014 10:52 am

Climate was being discussed in another thread and i went to check out where some of the WC favorites were playing.And well, all that I can say is that Germany are screwed lol. They will face the worst environments possible because they will only play in the the north facing 28C+ temperatures (at 1pm vs Portugal and USA) and they also have a lot of travelling to do.I wouldnt be surprised if they end up slipping and finishing second to Portugal
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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed May 28, 2014 11:55 am

Portugal however have it arguably worse, no?

After our first game they have to go to Manaus, which is as tropical as it can get, and then fly down to Brasilia, that's more travel than us.

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Zealous on Wed May 28, 2014 12:39 pm

@urbaNRoots wrote:
@Zealous wrote:
@urbaNRoots wrote:I'm not sure about Portugal qualifying honestly, some great individuals there but horrible team. USA and Ghana have have good chances to qualify.

Why would you say that? Portugal never struck me as a bad team collectively. From an individual stand point they probably don't have enough high quality players which is why they can't seem to get over the hump.

With individuals I mean, CR, Moutinho, Carvalho, Pepe, Coentrao, Varela, Beto. That is not 11 great players but still a good core.

Yet they struggle against the likes of Northern Ireland, Israel, Ecuador etc... just can't get it done. That said it depends on how USA, Germany and Ghana show up against them. I still see Portugal going through but I won't rule out either of USA and Ghana.

Portugal in the qualifiers suck that is beyond debate. However in the tournament proper they tend to show up.

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Doc on Wed May 28, 2014 12:40 pm

Funny, 28C weather is actually nice weather to play in. When that temperature spikes to the high 30's (that is Degrees Celsius) with high humidity, that is when things get really exhausting.

Not all that familiar with the weather conditions in either Portugal or Germany but I would like to assume that Portugal may have some sort of slight acclimatization given they are closer to the Mediterranean.

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Ganso on Wed May 28, 2014 12:45 pm

They will also be travelling a lot, but they will play at night in Manaus and have their last game at Brasilia which isn't all that hot compared to Pernambuco and Ceara, where Germany will play their other 2 games.Germany will also have to face the worst possible kick off times, 1pm-4pm-1pm.

And I just have a feeling that Portuguese players will cope with the heat better than the Germans as it is pretty hot in Portugal
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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Zealous on Wed May 28, 2014 12:46 pm

28 degrees C isn't really an issue. So long as the sun isn't on top of you then it's perfectly fine weather to play in.

I'm more interested if there is any humidity. That would actually be more concerning.

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Ganso on Wed May 28, 2014 12:48 pm

@Doc wrote:Funny, 28C weather is actually nice weather to play in. When that temperature spikes to the high 30's (that is Degrees Celsius) with high humidity, that is when things get really exhausting.

Not all that familiar with the weather conditions in either Portugal or Germany but I would like to assume that Portugal may have some sort of slight acclimatization given they are closer to the Mediterranean.
well, i said 28+, in the conf. cups we had 32C in some games played in the North
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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by VendettaRed07 on Wed May 28, 2014 2:31 pm

I really question Michael Bradley's ability to lead the tip of the diamond formation in the 4-4-2. He never EVER shoots. He has to be aggressive. Klinsmann should just show him some tapes of Aaron Ramsey. That's how he has to play if he wants to slot in that position and be successful. This back passing, never EVER shooting crap has to stop.

If Bradley doesn't step it up I think we need to either change formation or bench him as crazy as that sounds because if this is the system Klinsmann wants to role with we need players that are going to fit into it.

-------Altidore-----Johannsson-------

--------------Dempsey----------------

Zusi----------------------------Bedoya

---------------Jones-------------------

Might be better that way. Dempsey is too readable when he plays up top. This might be better for the whole team.. Even if we are missing probably our best midfielder.. We are missing our best player ever too so I guess why stop there?.. ffs.

I really feel like Mix or Johannsson has to start because the chemistry in the starting line up was about as bad as it gets. I don't think Dempsey and Altidore is a good partnership.. neither of them compliment each other all that well. And there is a serious lack of speed and pace there. If we are going to be defending alot in these games we need to be able to move better on the counter.

Tbh I think this is what I might role with in the opener against ghana


-----------------Wondolowski----------------

Dempsey---------Diskerud--------------Zusi

-------------Bradley-------Jones-------------

Johnson------Besler----Cameron---Chandler

Will never happen. But I think this would work better than what seems to currently be in place.. Diskerud is creative and honestly, the only REAL number 10, AM we have on the roster. For someone who is a target man, Altidore gives us nothing on set pieces. He doesn't win headers and is terrible at finding openings and pockets of space when we take set pieces. Wondolowski isn't strong like Altidore and doesn't quite have hold up play.. But he wins headers and gets on the end of things with far more frequency, and honestly has had a way better season than Altidore, who's awful Sunderland form is carrying over to this team. His one job is to be a target and stay central on the pitch but he wasn't even doing that.. Drifting out wide all game for no reason. He is useless if he does that. So just play Wondo. If we have one chance in a game I trust the striker who was actually scoring goals this past year to convert on it. Not ideal but we really don't have many options...

we really need to find a way to get these players in better chemistry with one another or else we are going three and out probably with 0 points.


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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed May 28, 2014 2:54 pm

@Ganso wrote:
And I just have a feeling that Portuguese players will cope with the heat better than the Germans as it is pretty hot in Portugal

That's true no doubt, though we'll see to what degree.
Guess most European teams will be pretty impacted somewhat by the weather.

Anyway I agree that it is by no means a foregone conclusion that we come out of the group on top of Portugal. I'm not even 100% sure we'll come out at all...

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by rwo power on Wed May 28, 2014 4:49 pm

Hm.... About temperatures in Germany - remember the World Cup 2006? That was in Germany, too, and IIRC it wasn't too cold here either. ^^

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by rwo power on Wed May 28, 2014 4:56 pm

LOL, when I was looking for the average temperatures for the 2006 world Cup out of curiousity, I stumbled over this:
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Germany - World Cup 2006 Team Profile

The hosts appear to be in very poor shape heading into the finals, possibly even at an historic low in terms of talent and imagination.

The same could have been said before the World Cup 2002 in Korea/Japan but somehow the team staggered like a drunk to the final against Brazil and an inevitable defeat after a bright enough start.

After a decent Confederations Cup in 2005 on home soil, under-fire coach Jurgen Klinsmann has tried various formations and changes in personnel, usually with the same end-result - defeat or a draw.

In recent warm-up games, Germany has lost to both Turkey and Italy, gained draws with Holland and France and beaten only a virtual reserve team USA in Dortmund. The last "big" team Germany have defeated was England at Wembley in 2002 World Cup qualifying way back in 2001 - five and a half years ago!

Germany are 7/1 with the bookies to win the trophy on home soil for the second time but chances of progressing beyond the quarter-finals look remote, despite massive home support. Injuries to Bayern's Sebastian Diesler and Philipp Lahm mean Diesler misses the whole tournament and key player Lahm, one of the few dependable defenders available to Klinsmann, needs to regain fitness soon. Klinsmann will not want to start with the lumbering Chelsea center-half Robert Huth in place of the out-of-form Christoph Metzelder.

Germany have looked slow and disorganized at the back and things are not much better further forward with goals hard to come-by and the national team reliant on a number of players of foreign descent for fire-power upfront.
Source: http://www.soccerphile.com/soccerphile/teams/germany-06.html
Sounds eerily familiar, doesn't it?  XD

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by M99 on Thu May 29, 2014 2:17 am

Portugal always struggles in qualifying but plays to their standards in the main tournament. I expect them to be 2nd in this group and go to the quarter finals. Germany will be perfect, get 9 points and then end up getting the bronze medal :coffee:

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by VendettaRed07 on Thu May 29, 2014 3:14 am

Brilliant find RWO.

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Doc on Thu May 29, 2014 3:27 am

Germany certainly doesn't have any talent issues now though in any category.

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by VivaStPauli on Thu May 29, 2014 7:44 am

All our leaders are injured, though, or at least not at full fitness.

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by Doc on Thu May 29, 2014 8:53 am

Meh, Germany would be fine. You elite footballing nations are usually fine relatively speaking...

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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by urbaNRoots on Thu May 29, 2014 8:58 am

Only Neuer is really injured, Lahm, Khedira, Schweinsteiger will all be ready for the World Cup... they need to gain some match fitness which they will get against Cameroon and Armenia but they will all be 100% fit in time should they not suffer setbacks so that is good news.

Neuer will take some more time but is expected to come back in time too, but should he not, we have two awesome GK's to replace him for a few games until he is back so that shouldn't be a problem either. It is my opinion that it might even be a blessing in disguise.
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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by halamadrid2 on Thu May 29, 2014 11:11 am

Germany really need to sort their defence if they are to top the group. It's really bad right now
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Re: World Cup: Group G discussion

Post by VivaStPauli on Thu May 29, 2014 11:46 am

Our defensive frailties are due to Löws shit system, we were fine in 2010 when we countered.

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