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Post by Adit Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:41 am

Why were we never in for a striker ?

guess we didnt learn from past years.

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Post by sportsczy Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:02 am

I think they believe Jesse can be that backup guy like he was 2 years ago... it's worth a shot tbh. There aren't good backup guys around.
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Post by Cyborg Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:17 pm

Cheryshev should leave Real, sad to see a talented footballer being held back. He isn't even making the squad. Really thought he would have a role to play this season.

Any word on how Lucas Silva has been playing? He had a good preseason, haven't seen much ligue 1 games. Saw some highlights of him, he looked good.

Wouldn't mind seeing a double Brazilian double pivot of him and casemiro. Madrid need it, the midfield is as soft as hard boiled eggs.

One of Ronaldo or Bale needs to go, it seems the team can't function with both in the team.
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Post by futbol_bill Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:30 pm

Denis is sure to leave, possibly on loan and likely to Valencia. However who knows if it will be January or July and there is the wrinkle that Valencia now is looking for a new coach which may change their constant pursuit of Denis.

As to Lucas Silva, sorry but no room for him. We are only allowed 3 non EU players and James, Casemiro and Navas use up those spots. Only way Silva comes back id if one of them leaves.

As to Ronaldo and Bale leaving, we can only hope, but I'd wager as long as Perez is in charge, Bale stays. It is possible that next summer both Ronaldo and Benz may go. Actually it sure looks like Benz days are numbered given his complicity in blackmail and it seems as Benitez and Flo are easing away from him.
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Post by Cyborg Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:18 pm

futbol_bill wrote:Denis is sure to leave, possibly on loan and likely to Valencia. However who knows if it will be January or July and there is the wrinkle that Valencia now is looking for a new coach which may change their constant pursuit of Denis.

As to Lucas Silva, sorry but no room for him. We are only allowed 3 non EU players and James, Casemiro and Navas use up those spots. Only way Silva comes back id if one of them leaves.

As to Ronaldo and Bale leaving, we can only hope, but I'd wager as long as Perez is in charge, Bale stays. It is possible that next summer both Ronaldo and Benz may go. Actually it sure looks like Benz days are numbered given his complicity in blackmail and it seems as Benitez and Flo are easing away from him.


right, forgot about that non EU player rule.

Yea, I agree that Perez's ego is too big for him to sell one of his marquee signings, especially the most expensive one.

I am a Ronaldo fan and I would like him to stay, but he would need to adapt to life in a different position or role. he isn't playing well as either a left forward or striker. the right wing is where he should be.

The team needs someone with an x factor, at the moment there no one in the team who can take on a defender. No one in that forward line has that unpredictably about them.

Coupled with that, benitez's tactics and overall style of play is so predictable and boring.
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Post by FalcaoPunch Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:49 pm

The question remains will Ronaldo change to help the team? If the answer is no then why is he still here/why should he still be here?
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Post by Onyx Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:34 pm

Anyone watched Ruben Neves from Porto much? Shows great intelligence for his age. Looks like a Busquets/Alonso hybrid. Also another client of Jorge Mendes.




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Post by Valkyrja Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:37 pm

Mt ffs where have you been ? We need you against these Barca trolls from the general section
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Post by Onyx Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:52 pm

Haven't watched much football in a while, needed a break. Should be back to watching regularly soon though.

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Post by futbol_bill Sun Dec 06, 2015 4:34 pm

I've just read an article (defensa central - coming from Pipi Estrada) that next summer there is a plan to move out Ronaldo and Benzema, in return for Lewandowski and Morata!!! I know this is just a rumour and likely nothing behind it, but on the surface, it doesn't sound bad to me. That would mean we play with 2 strikers or a CF and a SS. That would allow us to use Isco and James for roles they are meant to play and keeps Bale at a MF or winger role. The only issue I see (lineup wise) is it sounds like it would mean 2 midfielders, likely Kroos and Modric, which is too week defensively against bigger clubs. Unless they alternate Isco / James or Lewandowski / Morata.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:02 pm

pipi estrada is a clown, but spending 30-35 mil to bring morata back on the bench is a waste of time. he wont like it, and we dont need to bother with that lol. we are never starting him bill, calma
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Post by Freeza Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:11 pm

Morata is not good enough. Wouldn't mind Lewandowski, but doubt we can buy him. Sounds bs to me.
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Post by chad4401 Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:12 pm

rofl so desperate hope you don't break your computer if benzema isn't sold, must be hard banking on off the field issues, cause on the field he is having a great season, if he scores 30+ we ain't selling him no matter what bruh.

bayern arent gonna sell lewa grow up and morata is garbage sit down.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:16 pm

The only guy id bring in is Griezmann and that too only if Benz leaves. We dont need a Ronaldo replacement because we already have a bunch who can play in his position. Id like us to steer well clear of Lewa, i dont rate him very highly and Morata is back on the bench again for Juve
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Post by futbol_bill Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:19 pm

Benzema is going, no doubt about it. He will be charged and convicted again without doubt. Even his ex agent says he believes he is entitled to impunity. The end result of this whether jail time or more likely probation, he will be finished with NT and Madrid will get rid of him. Did you here the boos on Saturday?? That was just the beginning. Right now, Perez and Benitez are desperate and are playing him, but once this moves to court, they can't defend him and will have to adhere to public pressure, particularly once it becomes clear that FFF have banned him from NT.
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Post by futbol_bill Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:20 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:The only guy id bring in is Griezmann and that too only if Benz leaves. We dont need a Ronaldo replacement because we already have a bunch who can play in his position. Id like us to steer well clear of Lewa, i dont rate him very highly and Morata is back on the bench again for Juve


Hala, no way we can ever get any top player from Atleti.
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:59 pm

I thought Auba is our new striker. Got used to it :sad:
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:09 pm

Bill Benz didnt get booed, in fact his name was cheered. If he gets charged thats another story altogether i think but until then he is innocent

Wrt Griezmann, he has said that he wants to play for us. I dont think Atleti fans would give a fack if Kun came and played for us now. Griezmann has no affiliation to them other than carrying them all by himself. He owes them nothing
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:33 pm

or maybe we dont sign him and we play james/CF/bale forward and a proper 3 man midfield? because signing Griezmann will mean that we have to play Griezmann, James, Benzema, Bale all at the same time. Who plays on the right? who plays left? where does Griezmann play?

let's not forget that he plays a 2 man attack right now at atletico he has relative freedom behind the main CF, that position in madrid dont exist. If anything, CR plays it now and it's giving us enough problem already. So you sign a good player, put him out of his comfort zone, will perform worse than he does now, and we will still have midfield issues

We have to be smarter, we can solidify kroos-modric with a box to box and have better balance. just looking at profiles, signing Pogba would make more sense than signing another forward when we have so many problems in midfield.
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Post by Adit Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:44 pm

Or may be we can play Kovacic in that box to box role , that would be perfect.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:46 pm

A front 3 of Bale-Griezmann-James on the oher hand. Bale in his preferred position, James in his preferred position and Griezmann in his could really eo alot of damage

Regarding the midfield, no thank you to Pogba. Matuidi would make sense. A hardworking b2b that does the job with no fuss. Apart from him dont think there is anyone that can improve the midfield beyond what they are showing now. Only a coach can. We have the midfielders that could frustrate the hell of a team by keeping posession, i dont think we need anyone else unless we are planning on keeping Ronaldo. They just need a coach dedicated to building the team around them.

We have Kroos, Modric, Kova, Isco who are excellent at keeping the ball then you have attackers like James who doesnt mind having the midfield pass the ball between themselves and drops down to help. Then we have a Ronaldo and Bale who are the complete opposite to this, Benz who up until now could not be relied on for goals. In fact if Benz goes on a scoring run i think the way we could improve this team is to sell Ronaldo who wants to leave and leave it at that.

We have the players, just need to make our minds up and execute a style
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:04 pm

Griezmann is not a CF, dont play players where they are not naturally good at

lol if the argument is between Matuidi and Pogba, they dont really compare. Pogba is better and more productive

as far as Kovacic, i like him but he would have to show me more. but my point is, 3 man midfield, we keep the guys we have in attack and we sign better back ups. Benzema and Bale get injured often for long stretch
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:09 pm

Griezmann plays the furthest up in Atleti's attack. They play a 442 with either Torres or Martinez playing below Griezmann to head the ball when Godin and co hoof it. He doesnt get many touches on the ball but he still scores the goals. Thats perfect for us.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:43 pm

How is it perfect when Griezmann has never led the line in a team playing 433 when he is the sole striker and the focal point?

this is exactly what i mean by no playing guys where they have never been. a two man attack is very specific, just as playing sole CF in a 4231 or 433.

It's not going to work. if your idea is to replace our CF by Griezmann, i aint following you.
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:55 pm

The point of a 3 man attack is to see interchanging between them. James on the right is hardly the cross only type of player. At Madrid Griezmann wont be focal point of attack because all 3 of our forwards are expected to contribute in terms of goals.

Not sure how i feel about playing him with his back to goal though but when it comes to runs and good efficiency he will be excellent. In a 433 he wont need to worry about making runs for others because as long as he makes good runs he will score many goals

I havent seen him yet as a CF in a 433. The only times he's played in a 433 for Atleti is as a RF where he has been pretty poor. I admit it will be an experiment but i believe he is worth it
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:03 pm

I dont know about a successful 3 man attack where the 3 players were swapping positions at will. actually i have never seen one.

By principle, you play players were they are good at. let's look at what the best best teams who play a 3 man attack are doing, PSG, Barca, Bayern.

who do they have at n9? REAL CF, real n9. Ibra, Suarez, Lewandowski.

Then you can use variations as far as the wide men. you can play with strict wingers but most teams move away from that. actually the model is to play with a wide forward (cavani, muller/robben, say neymar) and the third one is more of a creator (costa/robben, messi, di maria).

Let's not try to reinvent simple football principle that function. we need a number, let's get one. It's not as if we need Griezmann so badly that we have to fit him somewhere. It would be like playing Pedro at n9, it makes no sense.

3 man attack: one CF, one wide forward to help with the scoring, one creator. that formula works. Bale-Benzema-James. Let's not reinvent the shoe here
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