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Re: RIP Spain

Post by RealGunner on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:36 am

don't worry I got ur back brah

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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Rebaño Sagrado on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:40 am

its too big Sad pm that swanhends to use as his new avi
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Post by RealGunner on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:43 am

Resized it ffs.
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Forza on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:45 am

This thread rofl

What a game though! Made me feel much better about Australia's result... until I realised that Australia play the Dutch next.
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by rwo power on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:46 am

Eh. I added a preview pic so that the larger version could be opened by clicking ^^

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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Mr Nick09 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:46 am

Xavi's expression when he is losing or getting battered is always priceless rofl

but vdb took it up a notch Laughing

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Re: RIP Spain

Post by rwo power on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:47 am

@Forza wrote:What a game though! Made me feel much better about Australia's result...  until I realised that Australia play the Dutch next.
You can always park the bus. Spain can't ^^

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Re: RIP Spain

Post by RED on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:48 am

@Arquitescu wrote:
I wrote:Thank you, my friend.

Before I start, Vicente Del Bosque is my favourite manager in the world and whom I feel is the best in world football as never I would question the man himself and what made him the deity he is to us.

When it comes to my favourite managers, they will be on the platform of the most criticism from me considering how much time I invest in deducting their choices and decisions.

We have won it all as you know, yet post Euro 2012 (the tourney the sign of needed change) España have been on a subtle decline.

International teams have increasingly figured out how to thwart us through examples set by Prandelli, Sampioli, Igesund, Jorge Luis Pinto and club teams whom have formed an increasingly comprehensive plan to render our possession based system, less effective. Why and how?

The core team arguably after peaking in 2012, is not functioning the same way.

Whether Xavi or Pique or most of our cup winning veterans, they have lost either that desire present pre-2010 than had us win in South Africa or the incremental changes in their respective clubs (to which complimented each other rather than being a simple tactical variable) have not caused Del Bosque to evolve upon them, rather we are stagnant. Just like Barcelona post-Pep, gone is the pressing, the zonal movement off the ball, the intensity, the flair... the insito. Pre-Confed Cup was merely a sign yet our performances versus Italia and that horrorshow versus Brazil was not just due to the humidity and the insignificance of the Confederations Cup. Our cycle has reached past its stage as the players exerting their final embers in the tank will not be enough for the 2014 WC.

Del Bosque infuriates in the sense that he only scouts THREE clubs exclusively (well documented) which are Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid, with the exception of an occasional trip for Sevilla (given he lives right next to the city). Other players in different clubs are exclusively scouted by Grande (whom VDB has implicit trust in). Difference is, when it comes to their use he does not use them for their strengths, only relying on a football catalyst past its cycle and without a tactical variance. Implementation of Xabi again is welcome given how tactically important he is yet our midfield is frequently overrun and dominated on the counter considering the base football has been stripped down into the basics, without ANY changes if it does not work.

Vicente's lack of adaptation and faith in his old guard is costing us.

What do I mean by Lippilism? It is a term coined humorously by Mole meaning that Del Bosque will hold onto the guard whom won him everything even if it means they are not the players they were in their halcyon days.

Del Bosque like Lippi, staunchly believes in team dressing room spirit even at the cost of the implementation of a new breed. His premise is correct yet in my opinion there must be a balance struct and he has without a doubt succumbed to the politics which all his predecessors do in choosing a very concentrated contingent of players only from the 3 named clubs, despite individuals performing better in other ones.

How in the world has the arrogant Fernando Torres (who has been utter shit since Euro 2008) get ahead of a far more superior duo in Alvaro Negredo and Fernando Llorente? You may say chemistry yet each and every time both have shown they add a better and more effective dimension than Torres, Llorente especially given his complete skill-set and ambidexrity (something our line screams).

Yes, we do not play centre-forwards and Fabregas for all his consistent excellent for us is limiting us given that we now need to resort back to a reference point to which the players can centre around. Half the players lack a clear role, which is needed considering the timeworn play calling for dynamism and more versatility.

How is Pique continuing to start considering since 2010 he has been a shadow of himself club and country? Considering Íñigo has been better and shown what he can provide in his cap versus Ecuador.

Juanfran is a painfully average right-back whose been chosen over better performers in Iraola and Carvajal.

Alba whose been a pure liability, is exempt considering his excellent form in Barca's final third of the season.

Yet in the midfield Busquets is not performing his role whereas Xavi has been a shadow post-2012 and our front midfield seems to be picked by names than results. Names like David Silva, Mata and Koke who never have performed (bar infrequent exceptions by Silva) continue to be called up.

And then you have Diego Costa who ISN'T Spanish and directly contradicts Vicente's code of conduct (unlike the model professional Senna) by his vile thuggery and theatrics. Quite frankly, it may have been his first appearance but he was absolute dross versus Italia and clearly did not fit in considering he cannot handle such a system on the ball.

This does not reflect on how I view the players yet a bigger point.

Just like this country, España does not believe in merit yet delves purely into seniority, experience, and narrowing the factors down as much as possible as shortcuts, all the opposites of what us Basques believe. My problem with Del Bosque goes beyond my usual call for the new dominant breed of the country in Basques or individual players scouted for what they can add and their performances compared to their national counterparts. Yet merit is not something rewarded within course of Vincente's experimentation and that has been a constant since the world cup.

Exceptions apply such as Fabregas, Pedro, Villa, Ramos etc whom no matter what club form, they always turn it up for España.

Yet there is no way to break into this system outside if you show intangible traits to which no player has yet figured out and despite the results, the tactics are a serious ticking timb bomb to which will be exploited on the stage such as the world cup. In there you have a handful of names whom continue to make the squad despite not even fitting in within the system itself; political reasons must also be mentioned.

Yes like Italia, España turn it up during these stages yet we are resting on a cycle to which has not been invigorated as needed and it may just cost us in the future.

Where I stop is simply on the fact that it IS Vicente Del Bosque managing us, and hopefully he proves me wrong yet questions must be raised.

Also, an absolute honour that you continue to support España.

When you let the a curry simmer beyond its balance of incremental heat and produce; it makes for a overly potent imbue that spoils the dish.

When you stretch an elastic band beyond its measure of elasticity, it is rendered into a fruitless hoop of rubber.

When you stretch a footballing cycle beyond its shelf-life, it is simmered down into a grainy contour of its halcyon years.

Mole was not joking when he coined the super corny term in Lippilism, something both of us agree upon that Vicente del Bosque has slowly contracted and now is a third degree victim of its namesake.

As a manager, one will inevitably look back into the core nucleus of a team that brought the cup into his hands; choosing to replicate the carefully chosen ingredients that accrued the clinching of the ultimate goal.

4 years is the penultimate point of torsion one can twist within their core cycle as in 2014 we are looking at a squad in its final sinews, playing a system in its final embers fuelled by reserve batteries rather than reinvention and reinvigoration.

del Basque will not rest upon his achievements yet like Lippi in their parallel age they will so stubbornly refuse to believe in the modern pace of footballing cycles, choosing attributes in the form of personal trust and chemistry over merit and experimentation. The 4 year gap if not Post-2012 was the breeding ground of time produced to which ideas were supposed to be expanded upon with the Basque Revolution, integration of regional footballing philosophies, a transition of identity from the Spanish adapted Creole football into a hybrid of all the regional philosophies themselves and one that absolved all the politcal pretensions and succumbances to what made us serial chokers generationally. The conveyor belt of talent putting countries to shame being ignored for the previous platform, now rendered shaky from the weight of its obsoletism as bandages across the sore fissures and blind eyes to the glaring wounds was was fully ripped open by a ravenous Netherlands.

Yet it was mentioned, our problems stemmed right after the Euro 2012 in which our victories were eventually produce of a false perch to rest upon while the rest of the footballing world moved ahead in determined coalitions; adapting to the once prevalent fear when facing the system prized by Luis Aragones.

It will be ignored that Pique has been a lady of fortune post 2010 when General Puyol was too maimed to lead on his younger understudy, thus unearthing the flawed talent that is Gerard Pique who has been a mere silhouette of what he could have been, for 2 straight years now.

It will be ignored that Ramos will need a partner to compliment his character and construct; those multitude of attributes not enough to sustain a defense on the brink of annihilation since perusal of the defensive game is non-existent in our defensive semantic.

It will be ignored that Xavi no longer can sustain the grueling intensity of what Barca's golden cycle took out of his muscle and membrane; the artist now receiving a moments pause to reinvent and reinspire himself.

It will be ignored that Fernando Torres is a con-artist of the highest echelon, sleuthing his way consistently in the ranks based on flashbacks of when he was relevant.

It will be ignored that David Silva does not perform for us (ever), Iniesta is wasted in his outside-left role, using the Italian solution to deploy as many playmakers as possible will only hinder our play or all the kibbles and bits of decisions proven not to work.

It will be ignored that the Un-Spaniard Diego Costa will never perform for us as his floppery versus Italia (and now Netherlands) highlighting a crisis beyond just the need to adapt; but the fact that this unwelcome hooligan represents the skewed structure of how one benefits from our tumultuous federation.

It will be ignored that the best striker by a nautical mile for the red in the form of David Villa will remain 2nd-3rd choice for the fraudulent duo of Torres and Costa; despite performing for us each and every single time.

It will be ignored that we are deploying a promising ideas with a ceiling reached two years ago to which have been stagnant as a puddle; instead having a regression similar what was stripped down into its bare-naked value during Pep Guardiola's leave of Barcelona.


It will be ignored that Fernando Llorente or the Basque revolution as a whole combine the modern movement needed to support the excess of this cycle, to which the current Real-Barca split have overstayed their deserved ovation. Diversity was the mark of our last three trophies that was supposed to launch us into a new era of the flag; back to square one.

Congratulations to Netherlands. That night in Johannesburg must have been a world of pain post Iniesta-goal as frivolous as this match may be compared to such a stage, this humiliation served us correct if you look at España's attempt to balance on one marble foot post trophies; better to have our nauseating humiliation NOW than deep into the competition where del Bosque's quadruple chin will contradict or give away the grander assessments of our problems. It was beyond Iker Casillas resorting to his suicidal and erratic self of our failure to adapt to any tactical shift that van Gaal threw at us. Netherlands has actually given del Basque a script to work on to which will humble our arrogance and reignite the fire once catalyzed in the inception of our golden years. Australia will likely be a victim of them being out of their depth yet Chile (the team that opened us by the seams a year ago led by Mauricio Isla and Arturo Vidonkey), will present a predicament and more so a litmus test to how we can respond in a situation not yet faced since....ever.

This loss either results in the slow twist of the knife in a steady leeway of decline or actually resorting back to what he were supposed to build upon Post-2008/2010.

This loss is black and white.

This loss is quite possibly the best thing that has happened to us in years.


Are people just going to ignore how great both these posts were?

great points and a great read as always, Arq  Thumbs up 

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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Zizou on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:50 am

@RED wrote:That was beautiful viewing. Loved every minute of it from the moment Blind delivered that exquisite pass to RVP.

Dat RVP equalizer Shocked One of the best headers Ive ever sen


agreed! My jaw dropped (no lie!) --- awesome!

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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Kick on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:52 am

@rwo power wrote:
@Forza wrote:What a game though! Made me feel much better about Australia's result...  until I realised that Australia play the Dutch next.
You can always park the bus. Spain can't ^^


Could you imagine it? the footballing world would crumble if Tikki Taka spain parked the bus!

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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Lupi on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:53 am

hopefully Fifa continue to apply biological passport and it come to affect in UEFA as well to counter doping in future world cups as well so we get clean football. Not as clean as it should be still as the refereeing was horrible yet but its definitely a good start.
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by lszanto on Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:56 am

Real strange match, just showed how valuable good forwards that can finish are and highlighted how spain have no idea what to do when their game plan doesn't work.

Also hilarious that they take off Diego Costa then decide to start crossing the ball in Laughing
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Forza on Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:00 am

Well, you know I always like Arq's posts but in this case I think it's just a verbose way of saying that VdB did a Marcelo Lippi.

I realise it's emotional, but...

"This loss is quite possibly the best thing that has happened to us in years."

That is unless, by "years", you mean barely 2 years?

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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Winter is Coming on Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:13 am

Well you'd think the loss to Brazil 3-0 was the best thing to happen to them and VdB would learn from that, but it seemed like he didn't. Anyways no matter what next tournaments changes will happen as Casillas, Xavi, Alonso, Torres, Villa, Reina, Valdes, Cazorla will all be either retired or near retiring.

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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Glory on Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:19 am

Play mata, koke and ddg in the next match in place of costa, silva and iker. Will serve them a world of good. :coffee:
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Forza on Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:21 am

I feel sorry for David Villa. Benched for the likes of Costa and Torres.
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by halamadrid2 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:58 am

Vdb only has himself to blame. He called up the wrong players then played the wrong players then subbed out the wrong players. How he can let Xavi play a full game when not even barca do I'll never understand. Busquets Laughing human version of a traffic cone, fabregas and torres came on over Koke and Villa Laughing Azpi is not good defensively or offensively what a shite player. Iker had a nightmare game probably his worst ever and Pique rofl
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Art Morte on Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:08 am

Ramos and Pique have the same weaknesses, concentration and defensive reading of the game. Sometimes you get away with it, but sometimes it gets exposed badly, like yesterday.
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by huntsman on Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:22 am

Edit, its in the general section. nevermind.
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by lenear1030 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:00 am

@Art Morte wrote:Ramos and Pique have the same weaknesses, concentration and defensive reading of the game. Sometimes you get away with it, but sometimes it gets exposed badly, like yesterday.


That backline just isn't going to cut it. The cb partnership of Ramos and Pique is a joke.

This team misses Puyol and his leadership at the back.

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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Art Morte on Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:12 am

@lenear1030 wrote:
@Art Morte wrote:Ramos and Pique have the same weaknesses, concentration and defensive reading of the game. Sometimes you get away with it, but sometimes it gets exposed badly, like yesterday.


That backline just isn't going to cut it. The cb partnership of Ramos and Pique is a joke.

This team misses Puyol and his leadership at the back.


On the other hand, that CB partnership started the Euro 2012 final where Spain beat Italy 4 - 0. So maybe we should put this thing also down to a decreased midfield cover in the Spain team. Too often against Holland it was only the back-four against the Dutch forwards with the Spanish midfield by-passed too easily.

But even then, I do think that Ramos - Pique partnership is a disaster waiting to happen and yesterday it happened.
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by lszanto on Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:26 am

@halamadrid2 wrote:Vdb only has himself to blame. He called up the wrong players then played the wrong players then subbed out the wrong players. How he can let Xavi play a full game when not even barca do I'll never understand. Busquets Laughing human version of a traffic cone, fabregas and torres came on over Koke and Villa Laughing Azpi is not good defensively or offensively what a shite player. Iker had a nightmare game probably his worst ever and Pique rofl


Can you point out where Azpi went wrong? One of his first legit matches for Spain and was bascially given the whole of the right flank to cover as Silva/Iniesta just gravitate to the center and there is nothing out side.

Almost every goal came from either the midfield not closing down or the center back pairing being horrible.
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by El Gunner on Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:41 am

Bench Xavi, play a midfield of Iniesta, David Silva, Busquets. Start David Villa and Pedro. Press better. Retain possession. Score goals and don't let the opposition get near your defense.
That's the way forward in this tournament for Spain.

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Re: RIP Spain

Post by missjb on Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:42 am

I didin't expected this coming! Holland's counter attack is sooo fast.
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Mamad on Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:28 am

Del Bosque is to blame here. he thinks he can just invite the same group of players and win the world cup?

players like Llorente, Carvajal and Isco could bring freshness into the team but instead he prefers Torres and Mata.

I don't know what he is doing. Spain doesn't press anymore and they lack muscle in midfield. they don't press high and they can't defend. the only option is to keep the ball but that too won't get you anywhere when you can't use the wings.

Pique and Xavi were awful last night. Busquets is a one tricky phony who lacks many things. Casillas was awful and Costa was lost there.

When he subbed Xabi and kept Xavi i called for more goals from Holland and guess what happened.

In next two games they have to win and score many goals.

Del Bosque should Bench Xavi, Busi and Pique. start Pedro or Santi, Martinez and Koke. Spain needs fresh legs and motivated players.
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Re: RIP Spain

Post by Zlatan on Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:47 am

I don't understand why Costa is getting a lot of stick for his performance. This is his first competitive game for Spain, and even though he didn't have a great outing, he still made some great runs, and worked really hard, despite instigating the loudest response from the crowd.

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