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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by Lord Awesome on Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:17 pm

For me it's gonna end up being between;

James Rodriguez
Arjen Robben
Manuel Neuer

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by futbol on Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:16 pm

Fußball wrote:Z, pls. Without Thiago Silva, Luiz will be exposed today for what he is. Watch this space. :coffee:


Luiz leading a defensive line. My sides. Proud

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by Zealous on Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:18 pm

Sideshow Bob it is Laughing

Truth be told Brazil as a whole were beyond chit tonight. I don't think Silva would have made much of a difference.

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by futbol on Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:29 am

After Jill's David Luiz campaign he, of course, puts on the worst invididual defensive performance you'll ever see at this level. I'd go as far as to say this performance should be taken and shown to kids as an example how not to defend. Wandering, driving forward like mad, shitty passing, erroneous backpassing, not staying tight to his marker, lashing out at opponents in frustration ... Guy was literally all over the place positionally - except in defensive position.



Luiz' heatmap. Laughing

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Post by Helmer on Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:13 am

Luiz was really really stupid yday...i was discussing with my friends 'was macht er-wtf is he doing' Laughing

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:27 am

Fußball wrote:After Jill's David Luiz campaign he, of course, puts on the worst invididual defensive performance you'll ever see at this level. I'd go as far as to say this performance should be taken and shown to kids as an example how not to defend. Wandering, driving forward like mad, shitty passing, erroneous backpassing, not staying tight to his marker, lashing out at opponents in frustration ... Guy was literally all over the place positionally - except in defensive position.



Luiz' heatmap. Laughing


Is that for real Shocked Laughing

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by Casciavit on Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:14 pm

David Luiz the total footballer Proud

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Post by messixaviesta on Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:46 pm

Fußball wrote:After Jill's David Luiz campaign he, of course, puts on the worst invididual defensive performance you'll ever see at this level. I'd go as far as to say this performance should be taken and shown to kids as an example how not to defend. Wandering, driving forward like mad, shitty passing, erroneous backpassing, not staying tight to his marker, lashing out at opponents in frustration ... Guy was literally all over the place positionally - except in defensive position.

Elaborated so wonderfully

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Post by messixaviesta on Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:48 pm

So the only players from Brazil who should make the top ten list for Goden Ball are Neymar and Thiago Silva. Nominating anyone else would probably be embarrassing for the award but even more embarrassing for the player named. Imagine if Fifa had announced this list before the semi finals. They got saved!

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Post by Harmonica on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:51 am

Messi been individually the best player, and Germany has been putting Spain 2010 performance so can't see anyone else challenging at this point.

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by Don't call me James on Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:13 am

Lol wut

Muller >>>>>>
James still >>>>>>

Messi was the worst player on the pitch in the semis.


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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by Kick on Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:14 am

It'll be either Muller or James.

Neither Messi or Robben looked good enough today and Muller and James have been much more consistent.

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by Harmonica on Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:58 am

Current odds

Messi 2.5
Muller 4.33
Rodriquez 6
Neuer 9
Robben 13

Can't believe that mister tapin is the supposed challenger for putting the exact same performance than in 2010.
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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by harhar11 on Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:15 pm

@Don't call me James wrote:Lol wut

Muller >>>>>>
James still >>>>>>

Messi was the worst player on the pitch in the semis.


Messi worse than Luiz or Marcelo? You must be a hater.

Heck, even Robben was worse than Messi in the Netherland vs Argentina game and he wasn't man marked like Messi was..

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:52 pm

Robben was not worse than Messi :facepalm:

seriously what do you people SEE when you watch these games through your eyes?

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by rwo power on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:04 pm

Well, I still go for Manuel Neuer will the best individual performance. It was just a pity that there was this lapse of concentration of the defense in the semi that ruined his clean sheet there Sad

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by VivaStPauli on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:07 pm

Would be Kroos if this wasn't a popularity contest. Maybe Hummels, Mascherano or Neuer, depending on how the final plays out.

Will probably some goal scoring twat in the end, like Messi, Müller, or Robben.

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by Hapless_Hans on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:12 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:Would be Kroos if this wasn't a popularity contest. Maybe Hummels, Mascherano or Neuer, depending on how the final plays out.

Will probably some goal scoring twat in the end, like Messi, Müller, or Robben.


was about to write this.

Kroos, whoever that is, should be definitivly considered.

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:27 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:Would be Kroos if this wasn't a popularity contest. Maybe Hummels, Mascherano or Neuer, depending on how the final plays out.

Will probably some goal scoring twat in the end, like Messi, Müller, or Robben.
the voting is done before the final so it will have no influence. I think it's between Messi, Muller, Neuer and James right now.

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Post by Zealous on Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:04 pm

I think it will be James, Kroos or Muller.

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by messixaviesta on Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:41 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:Would be Kroos if this wasn't a popularity contest.

It isn't. This is not the Fifa Ballon D'or. Let's give credit where it is due.

2010 - Forlan over Sneijder

2006 - Zidane but Cannavaro was so close

2002 - Kahn over Ronaldo

People voting in this award look at the tournament instead of the names and the results can be surprising. Who expected Forlan to win it last time?

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by messixaviesta on Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:46 pm

I am trying to make own list of the top ten contenders for the award which have not yet been announced but that should happen before the final.

Lionel Messi
Javier Mascherano
Thomas Muller
Manuel Neuer
Toni Kroos
Mats Hummels
Arjen Robben
Neymar
Thiago Silva
James Rodriguez

It's not nice to have just one player from an impressive Netherlands team but the problem is I can't think of any other of their players who were consistent enough and if we had to pick a second player from them it would be very debatable who to choose. Also there are others I could consider like Keylor Navas. All said and done this is the best I could think of but would like to know how others see it.
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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by Lord Awesome on Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:53 pm

Lol at everyone bashing David Luiz. Laughing

All right guys, I'm gonna put this out there now before it gets cool.

David Luiz is WC. Why? He's proved he can do more or less everything CB can do and more still. Sure, he has made mistakes in his positioning, and it's a fair call, but I think we all remember how Neuer was when he would come out of his net. Experience people, that's what Luiz only lacks now. Neuer got his runs right now. I believe David Luiz will eventually fix his game as well once he starts getting near 30. Iirc, Lucio had a similar problem when he was David Luiz age now & look at how he ended up. Also lets not ignore that fact that Luiz is also good in the air and actually has Technique and is also pretty quick & FGS he actually takes FK's. If that alone doesn't make him WC as a CB then god knows what WC is anymore.

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by Lord Awesome on Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:54 pm

As for Golden Ball I add a new condtender.


My first 3 where:

Neuer

James

Robben


Now I include:

Mascherano

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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by BarcaLearning on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:58 am

Robben for me has been the stand out player. Still the final to go though... if Messi, Muller etc. put in a great performance to win then it will be that person probably to win it.
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Re: Golden Ball and other WC Awards

Post by Onyx on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:00 pm

Players nominated:

Di Maria
Hummels
Kroos
Lahm
Mascherano
Messi
Muller
Neymar
Robben
James

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