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Post by Arsenalfaithfull on Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:58 pm

Why have people given up on him? He has just come back from a injury plagued season. Why are people putting it past him to have a Ramsey type of recovery? As much as i love Ramsey, I feel that Jack has a higher ceeling. What does he need to add iin his repertoire to make it back to the starting lineup in your opinion?
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Post by 6unner on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:05 pm

A season on loan getting more 1st team starts would be a good start. Then he needs to improve his vision and decision making. I think that part of the reason he picks up the knocks he does is because he keeps the ball too long. Which is good if you are looking to lead the league in fouls against you. Just not as good when it comes to wanting to stay on the pitch and gain the necessary experience he needs to improve his game.

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Post by Arsenalfaithfull on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:12 pm

I cant see us loaning him out as he no longer is a prospect. I would imagine though, he would have to play cup matches to get back into the fold.

Do you think his lack of vision has something to do with him being played out of position? Back then he played with cesc, he was pretty good in moving the attack from the final 3rd (as i recall).

He use to be a lot more nimble aswell. Do you think his change in physique has something to do with it? His game kind of does not accommodate with his body type.
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Post by 6unner on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:30 pm

Good questions.
Probably not as nimble anymore because of injuries and lack of fitness do to everyone kicking his ankles.
As for the lack of vision being do to him being played out of position. I would think that vision should actually be there no matter where you are at on the pitch, Especially at arsenal. It is really not like any position from the midfield forward is really set except maybe CF. Everyone's position is constantly in flux with movement on the pitch being key.
I think the big question with Jack is, Is his lack of vision and decision making just a lack of vision and decision making. Or does he have a hero complex and want to do to much on his own. Instead of trusting the team more.

As far as ceiling, If Ramsey played for England I am not sure that Jack would not have been called up.

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Post by urbaNRoots on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:36 pm

If I was Jack I would try to occupy the DM position in the long term which is still wide open. Learn everything there's needed to play there, spend some time talking to Arteta, it would help him for his actual position aswell because if he had a bit of defensive awareness, people wouldn't be so harsh on him 100%. He has got a lot of attributes which you need to play there, but he could add to that stuff like positioning, simplifying his style of play, long passes and more.

It would help his England career aswell, and the English manager would be delighted to have an already made replacement for Gerrard when he retires.

I don't worry about him at all, he has a got a great attitude towards football and that combined with his talent will make a great footballer eventually.
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Post by EL Patron on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:46 pm

He is too offensive minded to play Defensive mid in my opinion, its either Deep lying playmaker or offensive mid for him. He just needs to stay fit, he seems to get injured every time he finds a bit of form. He is very talented, after Ox he is probably the most talented out of all Brits.
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Re: Jack Wilshere

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Post by DuringTheWar on Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:03 pm

He is a box to box midfielder imo no doubt about it. Truth is he never really showed great vision in the final third before his injuries (technically he can weight those defence splitting and incisive passes expertly, its just a question of him not seeing those opportunities well enough and timing them well enough), and he was never really comfortable playing between the lines with his back to goal. For me he isn't and wont be an attacking midfielder, problem is ramsey is now the driver of our midfield that wilshere thrived being. When jack was at his best the execution of his first touch and weight of pass, in addition to his awareness of whats around him and balance and acceleration, he was great at getting the ball under pressure and opening the game up, making bursting dribbles forward, its probably not an exaggeration to say he was one of the best players in the world in transitions. He was also pretty darn good at stretching play with long diagonal passes and long forward passes. That was definitely a player a top team could succeed building their midfield around imo, but problem is our midfield is built around ramsey and ozil now so how can wilshere get back to his best, and what happens if he does?

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Post by Jay29 on Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:50 pm

Wilshere will get his chances and it's up to him to make the most of those chances. Injuries have done him no favour and he's unfortunate that while he was struggling with those, Ramsey improved so much and the club signed Ozil, but if he is as good and as talented as we all believe, then he should be able to push those guys.

Right now, he's taking too long to pass the ball and running into dead ends too often. He wants to take people on but doesn't seem to have that acceleration or agility he used to have and inevitably ends up losing the ball. The extra time he's taking on the ball plus that dribbling problem is also resulting in him taking too many tackles and getting hurt too often. That's why he gets injured so often.

It doesn't help that he has this whole-hearted attitude where he feels he has to throw himself into every challenge, either. Passion is all well and good but it's not useful if you're just getting hurt all the time.

First and foremost he needs to keep himself fit. The smaller number of games he'll play next season will probably help towards that. If he stays fit he'll have a chance of finding form and consistency again instead of having two or three good games and then having to miss the next game because of a knock or not play as well because he's tired. Wenger has put a lot of faith in him, so you know he won't just give up on him, but it's up to Wilshere to give Wenger that selection dilemma.
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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by EL Patron on Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:08 pm

Well said Goonerjay
Good points on him running into the dead ends and taking on players, i think its to do with him loosing his place for both club and countries and injuries aren't helping as well. He is obviously trying hard to impress, its a bit like that phase Ramsey went through with all the flicks and cruyf turns. He was dwelling on the ball too much and trying all sorts of stuff as well. I think it will pass once he gets over his injuries and finally stays fit.
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Post by httredskins47 on Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:46 pm

He's a tough nut. I think if asked, he could be the DM that Arsenal needs. He would need to change some tendencies in his game but he has the all tools to be a world class player in the pivot.

Muscle hampster will be a good player regardless. Him not breaking the 11 speaks more to the quality of this Arsenal side then his ability.

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Post by DuringTheWar on Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:53 pm

I think the whole thing with his throwing himself into challenges is overblown, its just something that is very eye catching is all. He gets a lot of hits but he doesn't run a high chance of injury that way, I think his most recent injury is just about the only injury hes ever got from going into a challenge.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by RealGunner on Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:57 pm

Wilshere's biggest problem remains his fitness. The on and off routine never suits him, and I said this before, he is like Riquelme when it comes to consistency and mood. He is pretty shit when he isn't fit. And he needs like 5 games in a row to get back his consistency. We saw that last season when we won like 2-3 MOTM in a row after having a good healthy playing period.

That's what he is like. On form he is incredible. We have seen that too. He has dominated matches and like Ramsey he drove our team forward when we needed it. But nearly all those times he had no issues with his ankle or anywhere else. He needs to target that fitness back.

Wilshere's second problem is his lack of position and role. We started him as a DM/CM where he put on a good partnership with Song and worked well with Cesc but then we had to change his position after his big injury and he came a B2B. We also tried him as a 10 and RW.

I've also said this before and i still believe that he is positionally same as Iniesta. A hybrid between CAM and CM. But we don't play the barcelona formation so we can't play him as an Iniesta. Nor he would start over Sanchez at LW either nor in CM ahead of Ramsey atm. He is good enough to fight with Ramsey but I can't see him benching him just yet.

For now Wilshere will play the rotation role and even then he should get over 30 appearances. I just hope he stays fit.
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Post by julias on Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:15 am

As has been said before Wilshere's problems stem from fitness issues and mental ones too. He holds onto the ball for too long atm and dribbles into areas where nothing will come of it and ending up bumping into people and getting floored.

I think he has had a physique change but has not mentally adjusted for it, hence why his dribbling is a lot less successful compared with that first great season.

I think he needs to simplify his game and watch videos of when he was younger because before he was nearly always making the right decisions and releasing the ball at the right time. That is one of the factors that made him such a great player in the first place.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by Twoism on Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:46 pm

There is no way Jack would go on loan, dude wont accept it and fans will kill Wenger.

That's being said, he going through what Rambo did post injury, everything was off for few second, drible, pass, tackle. I'm confident he will be back just like Rambo, we all saw their talent at the age of 17, those wont go away. We have three guys who could hold on for probably one more year, it looks stacked now but be patient and he will play regular role soon.

And no he didnt stuck it in, it looked like that but mostly because he hog the ball too long and fell down from slightest touch.
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Post by Eman on Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:08 am

Yeah no way we should loan Jack. He is good enough to play for us, not as a starter yet, but he could easily become starting XI quality anytime soon so we shouldn't just assume he will be like last season from here on out - he is too young to be classified like that yet, although he is getting older now. We can't rely on him right now but given the opportunity, he can excel. He just has to earn his place like everyone else.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by MJ on Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:21 pm

Jack out partying and smoking in Vegas with Joe Hart trying to kiss him...?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/pictures-england-stars-jack-wilshere-3852125

Media blowing it out of proportion as usual. as long as he doesn't break any laws and doesn't come back to pre-season training fat and lazy then I couldn't care less what he does on vacation.

Yes, even if it involves tongue action with a Man City player.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by Raptorgunner on Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:57 pm

Jack needs to show maturity this coming season, he can be the next Ramsey if he works hard which he does, but must stay healthy. Jack has to improve on his attitude talent is already there, he could be one of the best in the world.

Its too late to send Jack on loan, he is part of Arsenal now and no more injury. Right at the moment he shouldn’t start but can get good minutes with the amount of games we play.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by sportsczy on Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:55 am

Problem is that Wenger prohibits his players from smoking at all...  he already warned Wilshere when it happened last year.  So Wilshere has some explaining to do.

Wenger also took a thinly veiled swipe at Wilshere's commitment to fitness yday by saying:  "Wilshere can be a great player if he commits himself to being fit."

I don't think it's a huge deal and Wenger certain won't make a public display if it is. BUT, Wilshere needs to smarten up. He's not a superstar. Wenger doesn't have to put up with stuff like this since he has other options. As it is, Wilshere is starting the season off the bench anyhow.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by Arsenalfaithfull on Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:01 am

He did well today! MOTM when he played imo.
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Post by RealGunner on Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:02 am

Did very well. Still needs to stop going in challenges where there is no hope but he looked sharp.
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Post by Arsenalfaithfull on Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:39 pm

Proud MOTM sort of performance last night. Reminded me of the pre-injury Wilshere. Its safe to say he is on the come-up again.
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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by julias on Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:45 pm

Wilshere Proud

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Post by MJ on Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:01 pm

Loved the way he took on defenders when he had the ball. Made some dangerous runs in and could have had a goal early on.

Exuded confidence and was a capable stand-in for Ramsey. Hope to see him have a season like Rambo did and give Le Boss some real selection dilemmas.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by EL Patron on Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:26 pm

some of the criticism from the fans and the media have been over the top.The guy has been done well so far and he is improving game after game.
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