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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by boyzis on Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:39 pm

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by EL Patron on Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:51 pm

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as I mentioned earlier playing him in a deeper role would be a waste and todays performance proved that. He is been our best midfielder so far this season, he is getting better and better. There is still a lot to come from him as long as he stays fit and gets a good run of games.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by Robespierre on Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:18 pm

I've always rated him highly, unfortunately he is injury prone...too much
I'm glad to see him playing as today , it was beautiful to see again that Wilshere back .Today I 've recognized him
He would be best Arsenal player if fit, but , this is problem.also big problem, recently
Anyway he was the MOTM also against Bekistas in decisive play off for CL . Maybe we are watching  really a different Wilshere than last year , and tbf it is not difficult to make better than last
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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by RealGunner on Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:25 pm

+1

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by urbaNRoots on Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:39 pm

Wilshere is making a good point about the 3 man midfield, you can see why Wenger is sticking with it. I wonder if it would be a good idea to play a diamond midfield with Özil ahead of Wilshere/Ramsey/Arteta, the same way Liverpool do with Sterling/Henderson/Allen/Gerrard. We now have a bunch of attacking fullbacks so width can't be a big problem and our wide players usually tuck in anyway so the difference won't be big. Also Welbeck/Alexis can always drift wide when necessary.

Atleast until Walcott comes back this could be a better formation than the 4-3-3 and I doubt it can be worse.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by Jay29 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:01 pm

I suggested a diamond, too, in the post-match thread. Even when Walcott comes back, you can play him up front since he'll have a partner. You can play Podolski there, too.

Ozil, Cazorla and Rosicky for AM. Wilshere, Ramsey and Chamberlain for CM. Fits the squad quite well.

Width can come from either full backs, central midfielders, the AM or the two forwards. So even with defensive full backs you can have Ozil float into wide positions as he did for Werder Bremen, or you can have Alexis and Welbeck makes runs into wide positions which they'd be comfortable doing.

Not the easiest of formations to play and is one that requires a lot of hard work and energy to make it work, but it would get most of our players into their best positions without having to give someone else the shaft.
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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by Peccadillo on Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:15 am

Well I may look silly now for suggesting DLP for Jack after that performance. But I still like the idea of trying him out as a DLP in a 4231. There's no reason he cant still do what he did yesterday from a DLP role.

As for the diamond, I mentioned this a couple of months ago. I'd love to see it but doubt it will be tested.
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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by RedMamba on Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:46 pm

i like the diamond as well, would accomodate most of our dynamic players.

DLP don't usually venture too forward like alonso and pirlo. wilshere and ramsey are best at B2B CM, their goals come from well timed runs, good passers but not responsible for dictating play like DLP does, both can dribble decently, full of enregy, can tackle, creative etc.

however both need a DLP/DM beside them and can't really play together. might work in a diamond.

wilshere should get more than enough minutes in direct rotation with ramsey in 4-2-3-1. but this 4-1-4-1 is making things unpredictable more for arsenal itself than the opponents.
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Wilshere Position/

Post by boyzis on Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:47 pm

He is a CAM. Cant PLAY CM. He Does not Know How to Play That Role.

Either play him in the correct position or bench him.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by RealGunner on Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:49 pm

He was really good tonight wherever he played.
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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by urbaNRoots on Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:50 pm

Please make like 10 more Wilshere threads, it's been a long time since we haven't had one.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by RealGunner on Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:52 pm

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by 6unner on Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:20 pm

The problem with Wilshere is that nobody seems to know what his best position is. It is like his creativity comes in spurts surrounded by a lack of vision and creativity, forcing him to hold the ball to long taking unnecessary fouls. I had always thought that his best positions was back when he was more of a defensive minded box to box. He use to pull off some crushing tackles. It does end up being an issue for Arsenal and England though since he really is not exceptional at any one position. He is really more of a hard working athlete in between several different positions and great at none. Just not sure if it was poor tactics from Wenger at Arsenal that forced him up. Or the lack of discipline pushing him forward and Wenger not addressing it. At Arsenal there are better more consistent CAMs. If that is his best position not sure we will ever see the best he could be.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by urbaNRoots on Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:30 pm

His best position is the one he's playing right now, box to box midfielder. He's definitely not a CAM, atleast not right now as he struggles and doesn't prefer to play with his back to goal.

For him to be at his best he needs to see the pitch and have the responsibility to create as well as defend and for that to happen he needs to play as a box to box midfielder.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by 6unner on Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:37 pm

Agree.

Just wish he would have a little more discipline and stay back more. Although think that has more to do with tactics and Wenger.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by RedMamba on Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:37 am

If wenger heeds his own advice that he gave to ramsey i.e. don't overcomplicate, just simplify; it would serve arsenal and the players good.

We have enough games to rotate wilshere and ramsey at B2B CM in double pivot. They just need to be told to do their primary job first i.e. dictate tempo and play from center of midfield, hold position and not rush to edge of the box at first opportunity. They should not be expected or burdened to score or assist. Both are very good at timing runs into the box, more potent and unpredictable when coming from deep but not so good at forcing offensive play.

I believe its not wilshere's fascination to not stay back more rather wenger's directives. The same man who thought it to be a good idea to give alex song creative license. The man just does not give a shit about defense, discipline, organization and tactics. Since Viera/Gilberto, he has always turned his CM into AM at the expense of chaos at the back.
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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by RealGunner on Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:15 am

I am a bit concerned about him.

Noticed lately that he doesn't dribble at all nevermind doing it effectively. He seems to be in constant fear of getting injured which is hindering him as a player. Maybe its just because he hasn't been playing regularly but its concerning. He also seem to have bulked and lost a bit of agility. His burst of acceleration isn't the same either

Wonder if he will ever be the same player again?

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by REWB on Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:22 am

What was it 2011 since he had that barcalona performance? he hasnt progressed since then, he's in fact, REGRESSED. He has been awful ever since that season lets be honest. Whenever he played for us wenger has shifted him to the wing for a reason, and he's even shit there aswell. He has awful positional sense and tactical awareness.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by Sushi Master on Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:07 am

I don't see it happening.

Ironically, he never capitalized on Ramsey's injury and with all the disciplinary problems and just childish behavior, I think he drowned in his own hype and could not back up his skills with the necessary work ethic or attitude. He's only 24, but he needs a big time reality check. Ramsey came back from a broken leg and has showed he can be a key player when needed.

With the Xhaka acquisition, I do not see him getting any real chances and sadly, condemn him to mediocrity Crying or Very sad
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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by El Gunner on Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:06 am

I think the concern is genuine throughout the fanbase.

Still maintain injury has been his worst enemy instead of bad attitude

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by Jay29 on Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:15 am

One problem he has is that he's actually bulked up too much so he's not as agile as he used to be. When he was a skinny little 17 year old he was gliding past people with ease. Now he's this stocky guy who can maybe get past one and that's it.

Injuries have hindered him as well because it's meant less time on the training field working on his game and more time in the gym rehabbing and bulking. And when you know your ankle can go kaput with the slightest touch that surely effects how he plays, too.

Then there's the fact no one really knows his best position. Deep-lying playmaker? Attacking midfielder? Wide midfielder? Different managers have different opinions.

This season is a big one for him. He needs to prove his fitness, that he can stay fit for the season, and improve his game because he's way behind the likes of Ozil, Cazorla and Xhaka and even behind Ramsey and Elneny now. Maybe he can use this time out the team to really improve himself.
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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:45 pm

I didn't see him as that bad at the Euros tbh. I think he will profit from being coached by another coach than Wenger.

Wenger is more and more proving himself to be incapable of improving young talents to the point where they are tactically mature. Probably because he let's them do what they want.

Wilshere needs someone to train his HEAD, urgently. So either he should leave or he should stay and hope that Arsenal get a good new coach after Wenger leaves to coach England.

Basically Arsenal should hire Bielsa to give all their players a MAN's lesson, as he did with Payet.

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Re: Jack Wilshere

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:20 pm

He hasn't regressed he's the same exact player he was, he just didn't bother to learn or adapt his game to get better.

Injuries are not an excuse really either, well it's part of it but mostly because he never bothered to learn, get better and adapt.

I said when the Barcelona performance happened and have been saying it ever since that he needs to make better decisions, know when to pass and stop dribbling so much but he never did.

In many ways he's the stereotype of that england team, bad decision making and just all round thick.

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