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Post by windkick on Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:40 am

Man could they of really used Di Maria. Shame he was injured

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:43 am

But it says nowhere in the rulebook that if a player gets the ball first it is not a foul. It was a reckless challenge and it was excessive force therefore it was a foul.

Anyways I blame Gonzalo for not finishing his chances much more than the ref, but I felt we did get screwed in this particular decision.

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Post by Tomwin Lannister on Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:45 am

That was absolutely 100% a foul, but I don't feel for a second like the reff really influenced this game.

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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by Brady2Moss on Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:46 am

Bet Argentina misses Tevez right about now? Laughing 


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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by zarola on Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:54 am

Lavezzi was having the game of his life!!! I thought at so many points that it was messi of 2 years ago until the camera zoomed in and I saw his face.

Also, Palacio's chance was exciting but not that big of a miss... higuain literally put no pressure on Neuer at all, it was very bad.

Messi did okay but was not Messi.

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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by BusterLfc on Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:56 am

Higuain :facepalm:
Messi :facepalm:
Palacio :facepalm:

You don't miss 3 one on one chances in a World Cup final, they got punished badly for their misses..


Germany was the dominant team, but Argentina was the one who was making chances and their strikers let them down heavily.
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Post by BusterLfc on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:00 am

Also Romero could've done better at that goal and Demichellis marking was so poor, you don't leave a guy 5 meters close to your goal who is onside alone.


Mascherano though, what a fighter :bow:
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Post by Brady2Moss on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:02 am

@BusterLfc wrote:Higuain :facepalm:
Messi :facepalm:
Palacio :facepalm:

You don't miss 3 one on one chances in a World Cup final, they got punished badly for their misses..


Germany was the dominant team, but Argentina was the one who was making chances and their strikers let them down heavily.


What game were you watching? Germany had more chances than Argentina.

Fun fact: Argentina had ZERO shots on target throughout the whole 120 minutes.


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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by RealGunner on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:05 am

Ozil Officially awarded the MOTM

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Post by elitedam on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:09 am

Seriously? Ozil was awarded MOTM?  Shocked 

I'm an Ozil fan but I thought he was awful this entire WC and didn't do anything in the final.

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Post by RealGunner on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:10 am

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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by BusterLfc on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:11 am

@Brady2Moss wrote:
@BusterLfc wrote:Higuain :facepalm:
Messi :facepalm:
Palacio :facepalm:

You don't miss 3 one on one chances in a World Cup final, they got punished badly for their misses..


Germany was the dominant team, but Argentina was the one who was making chances and their strikers let them down heavily.


What game were you watching? Germany had more chances than Argentina.

Fun fact: Argentina had ZERO shots on target throughout the whole 120 minutes.



Yeah but not chances as good as those 3. Shots on target means nothing, a shot on target can come from 40m but someone can miss the whole goal from 5m so it's pointless to look who had more shots on target.

Those 3 chances were the best chances of the game, Gotze's chance where he scored and Howedes should be included too maybe but these 3 Argentina chances were one on ones.
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Post by elitedam on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:16 am

How about Jo in an Arsenal shirt? Or are there decency laws against that?
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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by RealGunner on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:17 am

Forum is TV14 hmm


The "VVIP guest list" for Sunday's World Cup final included film stars Daniel Craig and Ashton Kutcher, Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Gabon counterpart Ali Bongo, basketball star LeBron James - and former Leeds midfielder Olivier Dacourt.
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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by Lupi on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:21 am

even though i dont like gotze that much, but credit where its duo great chest control and volley with his left foot
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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by EL Patron on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:22 am

@RealGunner wrote:Forum is TV14 hmm


The "VVIP guest list" for Sunday's World Cup final included film stars Daniel Craig and Ashton Kutcher, Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Gabon counterpart Ali Bongo, basketball star LeBron James - and former Leeds midfielder Olivier Dacourt.


Spotted Wyclef jean as well  scratch

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Post by Tomwin Lannister on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:23 am

@RealGunner wrote:Forum is TV14 hmm


The "VVIP guest list" for Sunday's World Cup final included film stars Daniel Craig and Ashton Kutcher, Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Gabon counterpart Ali Bongo, basketball star LeBron James - and former Leeds midfielder Olivier Dacourt.
Putin has a long journey ahead of him to make Monday Night RAW and support his main man Rusev and Lana Proud

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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by Zealous on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:25 am

Ozil was awesome tonight. Deserved MotM imo.

14 km distance covered  Shocked 

But only Di Maria can run a lot apparently Proud

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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by EL Patron on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:34 am

Ozil was good, best he has played all tournaments but Sweini deserved to be man of the match. Did almost everything in midfield. Keeping the ball moving, working his bollocks off and winning 50-50s in midfield. He took a few kick himself His battle with Mascherano in the middle of the park was great to watch. Boateng had a beaser of a game as well, i'd say its between Sweini or Boateng.


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Post by RealGunner on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:34 am

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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by Brady2Moss on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:39 am

@BusterLfc wrote:
@Brady2Moss wrote:
@BusterLfc wrote:Higuain :facepalm:
Messi :facepalm:
Palacio :facepalm:

You don't miss 3 one on one chances in a World Cup final, they got punished badly for their misses..


Germany was the dominant team, but Argentina was the one who was making chances and their strikers let them down heavily.


What game were you watching? Germany had more chances than Argentina.

Fun fact: Argentina had ZERO shots on target throughout the whole 120 minutes.



Yeah but not chances as good as those 3. Shots on target means nothing, a shot on target can come from 40m but someone can miss the whole goal from 5m so it's pointless to look who had more shots on target.

Those 3 chances were the best chances of the game, Gotze's chance where he scored and Howedes should be included too maybe but these 3 Argentina chances were one on ones.


meh.

Argentina had only one chance that was noteworthy; the Higuain's miss. Meanwhile, Germany had several chances were they could and should've have scored.

All that attack force and yet Argentina couldn't record a shot on target? Such a waste. Guess that what happens when you play "defenders" in the middle part of the pitch.

By the way, ever wondered why Messi is so great for Barca but is such a failure with Argentina? The answer is simple really; at Barca they got ball carriers allowing Messi the opportunity to play higher up on the pitch. 4 years on and Argentina still making the same mistakes as Maradona did in South Africa. Get Messi help and he will carry that team to glory.



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Post by Peccadillo on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:57 am

Messi also had a very good chance at the start of the second half that he will be regretting.

Despite the Germans having more possession.. I thought Argentina looked more likely to score in regular time.
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Post by CBarca on Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:03 am

Wtf is this?

Higuain and Palacio chances were both incredible 1v1 ch dances that should have been buried. Palacio ruined one with a bad control (even tho I think he still should have scored despite it) and I don't think I need to explain Higuain's chance.

Messi chance wasn't one on one and not like the others, but it was a very good chance that you expect Messi to bury and other players to at least get on target.

Let's not forget the Higuain goal where he was inexplicably offside.

Germany were better but Argentina had their chances to bury the game.
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Post by BusterLfc on Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:08 am

Exactly what I said, Germany were dominant and had more possession but Argentina had 3 amazing chances which should have been buried and they looked likely to score first in the regular time, but their strikers let them down massively.
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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by rwo power on Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:21 am

@dostoevsky wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Idk, when Neuer came out against Higuain it was at least a foul, I'm not sure if it was a pen or not as it happened 'on the line', but it was definitely a foul regardless.
Martin Tyler immediately brought up comparison to Schumacher in the 1982 semi-final but I disagreed with it fundamentally. Where as Schumacher simply took out the man, Neuer did actually get to the ball and first at that. It might have been dangerous, however I felt he was entitled to go for it. Higuain might have been collateral damage, but I thought it was the right call, even if I could understand why Gonzalo would feel aggrieved. I'd like to hear some more opinions on it though
Neuer clearly went for the ball. Higuain could have decided to draw back when he realized that Neuer would be faster to the ball, but he wanted to go for it, too. So in the end Neuer played the ball and the clash was an accident. It was similar with the clash that took Kramer out. Sometimes stuff like that simply happens.

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Re: World Cup Final 2014: Post Match Discussion

Post by dostoevsky on Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:26 am

@rwo power wrote:
@dostoevsky wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Idk, when Neuer came out against Higuain it was at least a foul, I'm not sure if it was a pen or not as it happened 'on the line', but it was definitely a foul regardless.
Martin Tyler immediately brought up comparison to Schumacher in the 1982 semi-final but I disagreed with it fundamentally. Where as Schumacher simply took out the man, Neuer did actually get to the ball and first at that. It might have been dangerous, however I felt he was entitled to go for it. Higuain might have been collateral damage, but I thought it was the right call, even if I could understand why Gonzalo would feel aggrieved. I'd like to hear some more opinions on it though
Neuer clearly went for the ball. Higuain could have decided to draw back when he realized that Neuer would be faster to the ball, but he wanted to go for it, too. So in the end Neuer played the ball and the clash was an accident. It was similar with the clash that took Kramer out. Sometimes stuff like that simply happens.

Essentially my thoughts, though it's comforting to hear that someone else agrees. I certainly understand Alfred's view that it might be classified as excessive force, but as you rightly pointed out, from Neuer's point of view, he has won the contest and Higuain runs into him. It must also be considered that for years, referees have sought to protect goalkeepers from physical interference and I don't think the final decision was particularly surprising. It's never nice to see such a heavy collision, but both players were within their rights to challenge for the ball and sometimes these things will happen.

It's 2-2 as far as this discussion goes thus far, with two neutral opinions split 1-1. hmm
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