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Post by B-Mac Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:34 am

why would we hire Ancelotti when we have a manager hmm

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Post by Forza Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:26 am

Tomwin Lannister wrote:This is a sack watch thread for the man who just won the CL about 4 competitive games ago Laughing

I was reading similar sorts of things written by Madrid fans in an earlier thread which was about the Spanish Super Cup (even before Madrid lost).

My response to them was something along the lines of, "are you all insane?" only to have Madrid fans reply with some rubbish like "nah, we're being sarcastic, this is an inside joke from the Madrid section, we don't actually want Carlo fired, I can't believe you think that, lol".

So it's good to see that my view has now been vindicated - not that I ever had any doubt that it would be.
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Post by Zealous Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:03 pm

You expect a Milanista to feel at least a little bit of shame when talking about fans wanting coaches out (Allegri, Seedorf etc. lol) The Milan section is filled with posts about managers needing to get fired despite not even getting time to build a squad (which for Milan may take several years of free transfers and loans)

The only difference here is the standards that are set. Looking at Carlo's record in big games in the league it's an absolute joke. Atleti have beaten us at the Bernabeu twice in a row in the league with him at coach, this is something that has never happened in the history of La Liga, it's something from the school of David Moyes of record breaking.

A guy who has no guts or ability to build a squad correctly (losing Di Maria was understandable but losing Xabi without replacing him is unforgivable) deserves criticism when his team gets shown up by any team willing to fight us for the three points we seem all too willing to hand over.

He's the coach and the team currently has no basic set up in attack or defense. He's a great man manager but he is not here to be friends with the players (especially players who are not professional or willing to work hard) he is here to get results and because he has yet to show that he can lead us to big results in the league his head is quite rightly on the chopping block.

Right now I'm getting Capello flashbacks. We have a team with players who have a lot of heart and skill but we are not a team with a tightly defined philosophy or style of play.
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Post by LeBéninois Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:55 pm

Go ahead please !! I wish you guys sack him and why not bring in Zidane rofl
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Post by sportsczy Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:13 pm

We sucked worse to start last season despite no WC and everyone being there for preseason... just sayin.

PSG always started like poop under Carlo too, even when he arrived at midseason Laughing

Our squad lacks balance... that part worries me. Summer mercato was extremely poor.
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Post by Gil Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:16 pm

Carlo is a fraud. Just 3 (Really 2 since one was handed to him on a platter) League titles in 20 years of management.

Ramos' legendary header to bail him out pretty much made everyone forgot he finished 3rd in the League and lost to Tata's Barca's twice.
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Post by sportsczy Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:30 pm

won CDR against Barca and CL against Atleti... you can't hate Carlo for last year AT ALL Laughing Been trying to win the decima for 10 years. La Liga was secondary.

In any case, we've played Atleti in 3 of our first 5 official games this season. Atleti had all their players for preseason other than Griezmann.... we missed everyone. So i don't think the results are too surprising. Come November, we'll have a much better sense...
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Post by Onyx Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:59 pm

It's Perez's fault for selling a crucial player and buying an inferior player based on WC hype.

Secondly why did we buy Kroos to play him DM when we already had €40m Illarramendi on the bench.

Also Benzema's goal record is poor. Hernandez should be given a chance. If Hernandez doesn't perform within 3-5 games, Benzema can get his starting spot back.

Us winning the CL last May doesn't matter. We should forget about it otherwise we'll become complacent.

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Post by salmano9 Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:08 pm

Yohan Modric wrote:It's Perez's fault for selling a crucial player and buying an inferior player based on WC hype.

Secondly why did we buy Kroos to play him DM when we already had €40m Illarramendi on the bench.

Also Benzema's goal record is poor. Hernandez should be given a chance. If Hernandez doesn't perform within 3-5 games, Benzema can get his starting spot back.

Us winning the CL last May doesn't matter. We should forget about it otherwise we'll become complacent.

Kroos was available for a relatively low price, and Illaramendi is nowhere as good as Kroos. It was a good move tbh... Over-hyped Illara...
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Post by SuperMAG Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:19 pm

tbh we shouldve went for a younger and more dynamic CM if we wanted to buy a CM, Kovacic would've been wonderful here.

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Post by salmano9 Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:23 pm

SuperMAG wrote:tbh we shouldve went for a younger and more dynamic CM if we wanted to buy a CM, Kovacic would've been wonderful here.

Kovacic isn't a CM, he is an AM, just like JR10
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Post by Forza Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:39 pm

Zealous wrote:You expect a Milanista to feel at least a little bit of shame when talking about fans wanting coaches out (Allegri, Seedorf etc. lol) The Milan section is filled with posts about managers needing to get fired despite not even getting time to build a squad (which for Milan may take several years of free transfers and loans)

Your post is just all kinds of amateur really. It's all a bit petty and poorly thought out.

Your first reaction was to get defensive and attack Milan instead of addressing the point of the matter - the situation is that Real Madrid fans, a few games into the season and faced with some poor results,  are already calling for the head of a Champions League winning manager. What a pathetic attitude.

For the record, posts in the Milan section about management leaving the club are almost always directed at either Berlusconi or Galliani, not the coaches. If you do venture there, you'll be pleasantly surprised to see no "Seedorf Out" thread or anything similar. Unlike Milan, Real Madrid has a well-deserved reputation for firing coaches after they have won titles (Heynkes, Capello, etc). In addition, to compare the situations of Allegri or Seedorf to Ancelotti makes no sense whatsoever. The most obvious difference being that neither Allegri nor Seedorf won titles a few games before they were sacked! Your comment has all but reconfirmed to me why Real Madrid fans are rightfully renowned as being among the most petulant and spoilt in the world.

Apologies in advance to any sensible Madrid fans.
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Post by Onyx Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:43 pm

salmano9 wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:It's Perez's fault for selling a crucial player and buying an inferior player based on WC hype.

Secondly why did we buy Kroos to play him DM when we already had €40m Illarramendi on the bench.



Also Benzema's goal record is poor. Hernandez should be given a chance. If Hernandez doesn't perform within 3-5 games, Benzema can get his starting spot back.

Us winning the CL last May doesn't matter. We should forget about it otherwise we'll become complacent.

Kroos was available for a relatively low price, and Illaramendi is nowhere as good as Kroos. It was a good move tbh... Over-hyped Illara...

Kroos has never played in a deep position though. He's more of a CM/AM. Illarra is similar in style to Alonso and plays the exact same position.

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Post by salmano9 Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:47 pm

Forza wrote:
Zealous wrote:You expect a Milanista to feel at least a little bit of shame when talking about fans wanting coaches out (Allegri, Seedorf etc. lol) The Milan section is filled with posts about managers needing to get fired despite not even getting time to build a squad (which for Milan may take several years of free transfers and loans)

Your post is just all kinds of amateur really. It's all a bit petty and poorly thought out.

Your first reaction was to get defensive and attack Milan instead of addressing the point of the matter - the situation is that Real Madrid fans, a few games into the season and faced with some poor results,  are already calling for the head of a Champions League winning manager. What a pathetic attitude.

For the record, posts in the Milan section about management leaving the club are almost always directed at either Berlusconi or Galliani, not the coaches. If you do venture there, you'll be pleasantly surprised to see no "Seedorf Out" thread or anything similar. Unlike Milan, Real Madrid has a well-deserved reputation for firing coaches after they have won titles (Heynkes, Capello, etc). In addition, to compare the situations of Allegri or Seedorf to Ancelotti makes no sense whatsoever. The most obvious difference being that neither Allegri nor Seedorf won titles a few games before they were sacked! Your comment has all but reconfirmed to me why Real Madrid fans are rightfully renowned as being among the most petulant and spoilt in the world.

Apologies in advance to any sensible Madrid fans.

To be honest, I see many many Milanista blaming Allegri...
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Post by Robespierre Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:49 pm

salmano9 wrote:
SuperMAG wrote:tbh we shouldve went for a younger and more dynamic CM if we wanted to buy a CM, Kovacic would've been wonderful here.

Kovacic isn't a CM, he is an AM, just like JR10


Lol  it's   false  .
Kovacic is a CM , what we call " mezz ala " .  Definitely not an AM (trequartista)
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Post by Forza Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:54 pm

salmano9 wrote:
Forza wrote:
Zealous wrote:You expect a Milanista to feel at least a little bit of shame when talking about fans wanting coaches out (Allegri, Seedorf etc. lol) The Milan section is filled with posts about managers needing to get fired despite not even getting time to build a squad (which for Milan may take several years of free transfers and loans)

Your post is just all kinds of amateur really. It's all a bit petty and poorly thought out.

Your first reaction was to get defensive and attack Milan instead of addressing the point of the matter - the situation is that Real Madrid fans, a few games into the season and faced with some poor results,  are already calling for the head of a Champions League winning manager. What a pathetic attitude.

For the record, posts in the Milan section about management leaving the club are almost always directed at either Berlusconi or Galliani, not the coaches. If you do venture there, you'll be pleasantly surprised to see no "Seedorf Out" thread or anything similar. Unlike Milan, Real Madrid has a well-deserved reputation for firing coaches after they have won titles (Heynkes, Capello, etc). In addition, to compare the situations of Allegri or Seedorf to Ancelotti makes no sense whatsoever. The most obvious difference being that neither Allegri nor Seedorf won titles a few games before they were sacked! Your comment has all but reconfirmed to me why Real Madrid fans are rightfully renowned as being among the most petulant and spoilt in the world.

Apologies in advance to any sensible Madrid fans.

To be honest, I see many many Milanista blaming Allegri...

Yeah, 3 seasons after winning the Scudetto, not 4 games after winning the CL. Laughing
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Post by Casciavit Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:56 pm

Forza wrote:
Zealous wrote:You expect a Milanista to feel at least a little bit of shame when talking about fans wanting coaches out (Allegri, Seedorf etc. lol) The Milan section is filled with posts about managers needing to get fired despite not even getting time to build a squad (which for Milan may take several years of free transfers and loans)

Your post is just all kinds of amateur really. It's all a bit petty and poorly thought out.

Your first reaction was to get defensive and attack Milan instead of addressing the point of the matter - the situation is that Real Madrid fans, a few games into the season and faced with some poor results,  are already calling for the head of a Champions League winning manager. What a pathetic attitude.

For the record, posts in the Milan section about management leaving the club are almost always directed at either Berlusconi or Galliani, not the coaches. If you do venture there, you'll be pleasantly surprised to see no "Seedorf Out" thread or anything similar. Unlike Milan, Real Madrid has a well-deserved reputation for firing coaches after they have won titles (Heynkes, Capello, etc). In addition, to compare the situations of Allegri or Seedorf to Ancelotti makes no sense whatsoever. The most obvious difference being that neither Allegri nor Seedorf won titles a few games before they were sacked! Your comment has all but reconfirmed to me why Real Madrid fans are rightfully renowned as being among the most petulant and spoilt in the world.

Apologies in advance to any sensible Madrid fans.


Problem is nobody even asked for Seedorf to be sacked. Almost everyone was a big fan of his and knew he had interesting ideas, that had to be postponed until next season. Some off the field problems, lead to his sacking.

The whole section wanted Allegri sacked because we only had 4 wins in 16 games. If we used our position in the table during his time we were in midtable (i think 11th), under Seedorf we were third.

The fact you're comparing someone who won you La Decima 5 games ago and had the 2 most important players in his lineup sold, to a coach who had 4 wins in 16 match, is asinine.
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Post by salmano9 Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:06 pm

Forza wrote:
salmano9 wrote:
Forza wrote:

Your post is just all kinds of amateur really. It's all a bit petty and poorly thought out.

Your first reaction was to get defensive and attack Milan instead of addressing the point of the matter - the situation is that Real Madrid fans, a few games into the season and faced with some poor results,  are already calling for the head of a Champions League winning manager. What a pathetic attitude.

For the record, posts in the Milan section about management leaving the club are almost always directed at either Berlusconi or Galliani, not the coaches. If you do venture there, you'll be pleasantly surprised to see no "Seedorf Out" thread or anything similar. Unlike Milan, Real Madrid has a well-deserved reputation for firing coaches after they have won titles (Heynkes, Capello, etc). In addition, to compare the situations of Allegri or Seedorf to Ancelotti makes no sense whatsoever. The most obvious difference being that neither Allegri nor Seedorf won titles a few games before they were sacked! Your comment has all but reconfirmed to me why Real Madrid fans are rightfully renowned as being among the most petulant and spoilt in the world.

Apologies in advance to any sensible Madrid fans.

To be honest, I see many many Milanista blaming Allegri...

Yeah, 3 seasons after winning the Scudetto, not 4 games after winning the CL. Laughing

Well, 2 seasons after he won the scudetto, he got you from 17th to CL football. I think that he was really unlucky with SES's injury last season, and he did deserve better players. Berlu and Galliani didn't co-operate with im well. Selling Ibra and Thiago silva is just the same as sellng tevez and Vidal, which is insane.
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Post by futbol Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:25 pm

In fairness Ancelotti didn't impress despite his trophy haul last season. Now people can talk about knee-jerking and hindsight all they want but I wrote this in the Barca section directly after their CL victory on May 26:

Fußball wrote:They are playing worse than they did under Mourinho. Compare Mourinho's last game as Madrid manager against Atletico in the CdR final last season where they lost despite hitting the post 3 times and Courtois pulling some prime Lev Yashin shit with the CL final now where they had to rely on a 93th minute corner kick equalizer to rescue the game. That's football for you.

They had 1 outstanding game all season vs. Bayern in the Allianz and they ended up winning the competition. Fair enough, they made their moments count. They also beat the worst Barca team in years in yet another final with Pinto and Bartra leading the defense while the papers all over Spain were already reporting about Tata's departure, Tito's death, Rosell's possible jail time, Messi's taxes and Nerman's father. Fair enough again. But it doesn't prove they were a harmonic unit ready to dominate for years to come since there were too many moments showing a completely different picture, even with Di Maria and Alonso in the squad.

Having said all that, Perez is the main culprit. You cannot build a proper team when your president picks the squad and picks it according to shirt sale potential. But then again Mourinho built his own team with unmarketable players like Khedira being signed so maybe Ancelotti should show more guts instead of being a yes man. The most expensive squad ever assembled doesn't have a single defensive midfielder. Laughing

Where is Mr.Nick in all of this? Last time I've seen him he had an awesome signature. Laughing

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Post by farfan Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:12 pm

i'm stil unable to understand why people keep bringing up madrid's last minute goal to make an argument that madrid's champions league run last year wasn't impressive Laughing

did you already forget how madrid destroyed bayern in the semis ? Laughing or how atletico were only ahead thanks to a casillas brainfart and didn't actually outplay madrid ? Laughing

this is all coming from barcelona fans, you know the team that never made it to final without a controversial semifinal Laughing
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Post by Zealous Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:20 pm

Beating German teams is not that difficult tbf.
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Post by futbol Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:25 pm

Because beating Schalke, Dortmund's B team without Lewandowski, Gündogan, Bender, Subotic, Schmelzer and Atletico without Costa and Arda + Felipe limping off via last minute equalizer isn't a particularly impressive achievement when you are Real Madrid. Beating Bayern 4-0 is but I've said as much so I don't have a clue why you are asking me if I forgot about that when I particularly highlighted that game as "outstanding".

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Post by sportsczy Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:32 pm

Yeah...  Bayern were a scrub team.  So were Dortmund.  Juve sucked too.  Atleti had no business being in the finals as well.  As far as CDR, Atleti and Barca didn't take it seriously.  Amazing how lucky we were in those competitions.  Should have an asterisk next to our names on those trophy lists tbh.

Still waiting for an apology from Carlo and Madrid to the football general public.
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Post by farfan Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:33 pm

the same costaless and turanless atletico who just came off a title win from the camp nou Rolling Eyes
i was speaking in general BTW . all i've been hearing these past few weeks is " last minute equalizer " last minute equalizer " " last minute equalizer !!!! " as a dig against last year's final win .

BIG FU""""" DEAL ? madrid could've easily won that game in normal time if it weren't for iker's brainfart and gareth bale's inability to shoot from angles Laughing
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:39 pm

We were impressive at times last season and at other times less so. We already knew what needed to improve and that was to faze out Alonso who had slowed so much it felt like he was walking and we also needed more depth in the midfield because at the crucial time we had to play players out of position to manage

Our CL win was hugely convincing. The only two games we struggled were against Juve away in the group stage and Dortmund away when we already had a healthy lead from the first leg. The final would have been a route had Bale not missed his customary 5/6 glorious chances to score. Atleti did not threaten us from open play.

Our CDR campaign was equally convincing and the only time we struggled was in the second part of the second half against Barca in the final

We were awful in the league though, no fight no urgency and the injury of Jese happened at the worst time. Had we won it it would have been the most undeserved title of the century. We lost the league because we were so poor away from home, those games win you the league and we failed to beat any of the top teams away which was horrendous and since we are back to square one now I think we will be equally poor away this season
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Post by sportsczy Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:51 pm

Carlo sucks in league play... that's a well known fact. He's neither a motivator nor a disciplinarian. He's a classy guy who has a gift for tactics. In games where the tension is maximum and you don't need to light a fire under players (cup games), no problem. But in games where you need to push your players, he's a failure.

It's not like everyone didn't know this going in. He's over 50 years old, so it's not like he was going to change... can't criticize the guy for being who he is.

If anything, he needed to have a disciplinarian as his bench coach... but he's never done that either.
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