Re: Scotland Independence Thread

[halamadrid2]

Scotland have included the north sea oil in that "estimate" which makes up most of the GDP. Fact is the oil is UKs and not Scottish so if they were to become independent the North sea oil won't be theirs.

This isn't even mentioning the fact that they won't be able to use the pound and hence will have to start from scratch. Scotland have a very small population compared to England so large share of the cash they get has been able to cover for all their needs if they become independent they will have to pay their own taxes, there won't be any of the free services they have now and with the unemployment crisis god knows who's going to pay their taxes

Also didn't UK bail Scotland out after they got themselves in mountain debt??

UK will be fine with or without Scotland and that's a fact.

[Tomwin Lannister]

The North Sea oil will still be flowing long after we're gone, unless you believe the other side who have been telling people that it's going to run out at any minute for the last 40 years


Nobody said the UK would be in major trouble without Scotland. But the idea that Scotland are doomed because they want independence is ridiculous.

[RealGunner]

The No campaign seems to be almost entirely fear-based instead of trying to remind Scots of the good reasons to stay together.

Agreed.

Scotland are in the top 15 wealthiest countries in the World. I fail to see how Scotland is going to collapse all of a sudden. If it was all bad news for Scotland I doubt David Cameron would be out begging the people to 'not leave'

Misleading stat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26614122

Scotland have included the north sea oil in that "estimate" which makes up most of the GDP. Fact is the oil is UKs and not Scottish so if they were to become independent the North sea oil won't be theirs.

This isn't even mentioning the fact that they won't be able to use the pound and hence will have to start from scratch. Scotland have a very small population compared to England so large share of the cash they get has been able to cover for all their needs if they become independent they will have to pay their own taxes, there won't be any of the free services they have now and with the unemployment crisis god knows who's going to pay their taxes

Also didn't UK bail Scotland out after they got themselves in mountain debt??

UK will be fine with or without Scotland and that's a fact.

The real truth about the North Sea Oil.

http://www.offshore-publication.com/index.php/projects/1518-north-sea-oil-giants-speak-out-against-scottish-independence

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/09/14/it-would-be-impossible-for-an-independent-scotland-to-establish-a-sovereign-oil-fund/


There is no denying that UK is stronger with Scotland in it, however there is also no denying that Scotland benefits far far far more with being part of the UK than the other way around. UK will recover in matter of years with any financial loss from Scotland being independent. But the NO campaign needs to realise that this referendum is forever. There is no going back. We all rather live together than becoming foreigners to each other.

[RedOranje]

Hyperbolic at the end there, RG. In the EU no nation is really that "foreign" from another and the cultural ties that bind together the peoples of the British Isles will endure long beyond this vote, regardless of results (just as the animosities and issues that drive it and other independence movements remained long after the initial subjugation/combination of the peoples happened). The fact of the matter is, Scotland has everything it needs to succeed as an independent nation should it so desire, and while it may benefit both parties for Scotland to remain a part of the UK you should not and indeed CANNOT disregard the cultural and historical motivations at play.

[RealGunner]

Scottish Referendum Poll Gives 'No' Camp Win By 54% To 46%

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/18/scottish-referendum-poll-gives-no-win-by-54-to-46_n_5845930.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

[Art Morte]

I think it's good that Scotland voted 'no' - well, some 55% of Scotland did.

The Yes campaign's supporters seemed to be too much inspired by "independent identity" and patriotic feelings, but I thought that was unnecessary and misguided because Scotland already has as strong an identity as any nation on Earth. I also don't believe becoming totally independent would have made the grass greener in Scotland - from an economic point of view - so in the end it seemed to me that there were very few actually good reasons for Scotland to leave the UK.

[Forza]

I think the yes vote was always more about many Scots being dirt poor (apparently - I've never been there) than it was about a search for independent identity. Let's not pretend that the Scots had no reason to break away in the first place - you don't get all the way to a referendum without some strong basis for it occurring.

The question now will be how politicians can resolve the problems that the Scottish people continue to have there. If the situation is not remedied, there's nothing stopping another vote being held in say 7 years time.

[halamadrid2]

The Scots wanted out because they felt they had "no say" in UK policies when in fact a good number of the MPs in Westminister are actually Scottish. They have their own assembly where they discuss "in-country" problems something England for ex do not have. Their government get a significant cut of money they can spend on anything but instead of spending it on helping young get into work, they spend it on a number of freebies like free prescriptions, free pension et al. People who live in England don't get that instead the money is spent on jobs, apprenticeships for those who don't like education and other pointless stuff like highspeed railway which nobody bar the politicians actually want

Salmond and his SNP cronies have tried to brainwash their people by claiming their hands are tied and Scotland will be better off making their own policies when that's an outright lie because if I am not mistaken Scottish MPs represent nearly HALF of the British parliament. Those are the ones choosing policies for Wales, NI, England and Scotland themselves. When there was a vote on tuition fees for people like me in ENGLAND these were the ones who voted and potentially swayed the yes vote. Funny thing is there is no tution fee in Scotland

If anyone has been hard done by it's the English imo who have no say in anything. It's funny how a country with 5 million in population have more say than a country with over 55 million.

SNP are like spoilt kids wanting more and more. I knew the Scots were too smart than to listen to Salmond and his lies

[rwo power]

"I am your Fatherland!"


Source: http://www.watson.ch/Front/articles/409019318-%C2%ABI-am-your-Fatherland%C2%BB

[McLewis]

So what must the Flemish, Basque, Kosovo, Catalan and other separatist movements be thinking about this result? Will be interesting to see who pushes on with their own fights after this.

[rwo power]

Well, in German the Bavarian Party would like to separate Bavaria from the rest of Germany, but so far they only had rather moderate numbers. I guess it will stay this way.

[RealGunner]

Scotland <3333333

United we stand

[Robespierre]

I wonder a thing ... but why this referendum was done for Scotland, and not for Ulster ?
I thought Ulster aspired to unite with Eire.

[RealGunner]

Surge in membership sees SNP overtake Lib Dems to become UK's 3rd-largest party

lol Lib Dems

[iftikhar]

Surge in membership sees SNP overtake Lib Dems to become UK's 3rd-largest party

lol Lib Dems

First Past the Post really sucks, UK should switch to Proportional Representations.

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