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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by izzy on Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:16 pm

@farfan wrote:his " preferred " position at Lille was anywhere in the trio behind the striker .

i'm pretty sure he played there at chelsea since the first game he played there .


I said LAST YEAR, you know, when Mou arrived.

I'm pretty sure the style of play Chelsea used last year wasn't what suited him or got the best out of him no matter where he played.

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Post by sportsczy on Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:22 pm

He played LW, RW and AM at Lille...  roamed around.  Difference is that Garcia plays a possession-based system while Mou doesn't.  Contrary to popular belief, Hazard wasn't formed as a direct player.  Lille had 2 holding mids to recover the ball (Balmont and Mavuba).  When Cabaye was there, Hazard played on the wing.  When Cabaye left, he played more centrally.

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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:31 pm

@izzy wrote:You guys are just shitting on this dude.......


Just calling it how it is, I don't care about talent or potential. Only about impact and performances.

He doesn't show his best anywhere near enough and if he's going to come up with ridiculous and arrogant comments like this....

Then I'll make it known that he's not even the best player on his own team, Fabregas shits all over him in every facet you want to talk about.

Talent? Arguably. Performances? Without a doubt. Consistency? Yes. Career impact? Pls.

He's got a long long way to go before his performances match his hype.

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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by izzy on Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:36 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Just calling it how it is, I don't care about talent or potential. Only about impact and performances.

He doesn't show his best anywhere near enough and if he's going to come up with ridiculous and arrogant comments like this....

Then I'll make it known that he's not even the best player on his own team, Fabregas shits all over him in every facet you want to talk about.

Talent?  Arguably. Performances? Without a doubt. Consistency? Yes. Career impact? Pls.

He's got a long long way to go before his performances match his hype.


Well, I know a player who is around the same age, has said way more outlandish things about his ability and the argument that is made for him is that;
"He has talent"
"He had a good game here"
"He's not utilized correctly"

You could say the same for Hazard in these instances, yet it seems people are a lot more critical in his case.
Not saying he has lit the world up, but it's something I've noticed.
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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by sportsczy on Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:37 pm

Can you imagine if Benz came out and said "i'm one of the top 5 Cfs in the world" Laughing And he has more of an argument than Hazard does and by a lot...

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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:38 pm

What player is this? In any case he's being used correctly from what I can tell.

It's no different to how he was used for Belgium or how he was used at Lille when they won the league.

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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by izzy on Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:40 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:What player is this?  In any case he's being used correctly from what I can tell.

It's no different to how he was used for Belgium or how he was used at Lille when they won the league.


Oh no way.

The style that Mou implemented last year compared to Belgium and Lille are worlds apart.

http://www.goallegacy.net/t36383-official-mario-balotelli-signs-for-liverpool
This thread is what I'm talking about. Seriously, read through that.

Almost identical, but it's Balotelli..........
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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by Casciavit on Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:41 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Lmao.

He's one of the most overrated players going, hardly ever performs and for the most part is far too timid and defers to his team mates all the time.

He's a more talented version of Nasri, everyone knows what he has but he rarely shows it.

Just going on his own team I can name at least 4 MIDFIELDERS who have been more consistent, important and all round contributors to Chelsea.

I couldn't care less about how talented he is, show me don't tell me.


Agreed.

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Post by sportsczy on Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:42 pm

Izzy is right about Mou and Garcia' systems being world's apart though... completely different.

But it also shows that Hazard is pretty limited if he can't adapt.  He's not playing at a different position.  He's asked to play the same position more directly.  He should be able to do that effectively.

His issue is work rate... just very poor there.

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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by farfan on Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:44 pm

@izzy wrote:
@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Just calling it how it is, I don't care about talent or potential. Only about impact and performances.

He doesn't show his best anywhere near enough and if he's going to come up with ridiculous and arrogant comments like this....

Then I'll make it known that he's not even the best player on his own team, Fabregas shits all over him in every facet you want to talk about.

Talent?  Arguably. Performances? Without a doubt. Consistency? Yes. Career impact? Pls.

He's got a long long way to go before his performances match his hype.


Well, I know a player who is around the same age, has said way more outlandish things about his ability and the argument that is made for him is that;
"He has talent"
"He had a good game here"
"He's not utilized correctly"

You could say the same for Hazard in these instances, yet it seems people are a lot more critical in his case.
Not saying he has lit the world up, but it's something I've noticed.


i don't think hazard's  inconsistency  has anything to do with chelsea's style not suiting him .
he arguably  had numerous  5 stars games for chelsea .

his problem is the same one he had at Lille : goes missing for months , disappears in matches , average finishing , nonchalance in big games etc...

he's basically the same player he was 3-4 years ago .
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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by izzy on Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:46 pm

@sportsczy wrote:Izzy is right about Mou and Garcia' systems being world's apart though... completely different.

But it also shows that Hazard is pretty limited if he can't adapt.  He's not playing at a different position.  He's asked to play the same position more directly.  He should be able to do that effectively.

His issue is work rate... just very poor there.


And that should be a knock (not a huge one) against him if he can't even replicate a semblance of the player he should be on a consistent basis for Chelsea this year.

But, it is fair to point it out as a hindrance if we do so for other players who have hyped themselves up.
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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by sportsczy on Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:06 pm

Sure it is. But Izzy... Mou made him the focal point. He was given the ball and asked to run with it. Mou didn't ask Hazard to play in a different zone or change his game at all. He just asked him to play faster and defend more.

I'd be more inclined to agree with you if Hazard was asked to play more of a support role or take lower positions... that hasn't happened.

He sees plenty of the ball and has plenty of passing/shooting options. He's just not using the ball like he should or people expected him to.

And all that is not a problem is he hadn't called himself "the 6th best player in the world and best in the EPL" Laughing

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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by Glory on Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:22 pm

yes considering mou builds the entire team around him and gives him the license to do whatever he want on the pitch with the ball, his performance is nowhere near the level which is expected of him. Thats a very good point. Thumbs up
He is the focal point of their team. He is being played in a position to get the best out of him. Other players would be moved around in the formation and some of them even must be playing out of their comfort zones I am sure, but no hazard.
So he has to deliver much much more than this.

And besides the '2 extra terrestrials' I dont think anyone is actually enjoying that luxury apart from him I think. rooney under moyes was one. but rooney is certainly not our focal point anymore since van gaal took over. where as in chelsea hazard clearly is the main man.
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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by RED on Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:30 pm

He goes missing in a lot of games( at times doesn't influence the match a player of his credentials should be doing) to consider himself the best. He's also inconsistent.

He's among the best, but not the best.

imo, Di Maria is a superior player.
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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by CBarca on Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:58 pm

It's generous to call a player who goes missing all too often "among the best".

You're among the best when you play like it consistently. Hazard is merely a very talented player that shows up once in a blue moon, or plays well against scrubs (and even then he is inconsistent).

He's not even at the Fabregas- at least Fabregas consistently beats up on scrubs even if he goes missing when the going gets tough.
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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by Valkyrja on Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:07 pm

Sports I have a question for you : is Benzema better than Costa, Aguero and Falcao ?

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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by halamadrid2 on Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:12 pm

Lmao this guy :facepalm:

Spends his free time gushing over how good he supposedly is to whomever wants to listen to him. Just stfu and try performing for once in your life
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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by The Franchise on Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:14 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:Sports I have a question for you : is Benzema better than Costa, Aguero and Falcao ?


Take that elsewhere.
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Post by futbol on Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:19 pm

This thread should be a lesson to Jill. :coffee:

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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by sportsczy on Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:58 pm

@The Franchise wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:Sports I have a question for you : is Benzema better than Costa, Aguero and Falcao ?


Take that elsewhere.
Just a quick answer for him Dani.

It depends what you want. Costa, Aguero and Falcao are more specialists. Benz is well rounded... he can do a bit of everything well (even headers now lol); but he'll obviously not be as good as those guys in their specific specialties if you make a narrow comparison.

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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by Abramovich on Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:13 pm

I'd agree with a lot of this, Hazard is like a highlight type of player and what seriously pisses me off is his lack of responsibility sometimes and consistency, for sure.

Last season around November time or so? I was hating on him hardcore for ages.

This season somewhat I haven't but that's probably due to the fact that Costa and Fab have been killing it.
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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by Gil on Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:30 pm

Hazard has been frighteningly consistent since about December of last year & is constantly our best player in big games but keep regurgitating absolute nonsense.

according to Fabregas, there are definitely stylistic comparisons to be made between the Belgian international and the legendary Blaugrana forward: "Hazard has that incredible ability to unsettle the opposition. He is the link between midfield and attack for us; he is our Messi because he makes the difference."


Even Cesc knows the deal. Hazard is obviously the main man on the best team in the League. Managers dedicate countless hours on the training ground pre-game in stopping him then worry about everyone else.


The fact that people hold him to such high standards is evidence of his ability. He'll eventually deliver the statistics you stat-whores obsesses over. For the time being he's able to impact the game in ways only a handful of players in the World can.
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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by Art Morte on Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:36 pm

An amazing dribbler, but should add more goals & genius passes to his game to become truly great.

At the moment if you can take away his dribbling, you have made him rather ineffective.
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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by Valkyrja on Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:38 pm

Sometimes people don't rate him seriously because he's really overhyped. But that should hide that fact that he's a fantastic footballer And cut those Sanchez comparations, it's awful to compare Hazard to him.

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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by Robespierre on Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:46 pm

Anyway after Suarez went away there is not real clearness on " best player of the league" . I know if you make a similar poll in Italy many ppl would say Hazard, he is so highly rated here Very Happy probably because he is hyped from much time here, when he was Lille he was rated as close to Inter from media just because Moratti said publicy to like him Laughing
Personally I disagree about his global judgement though, ok Suarez didn't score in big matches last year but I think the Uruguayan was top 3 in the world easily....I don't know how he can't be inserted even in top 6 . Less monothematic than Robben ( or more complete) , simply greater than Ribery ...
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Re: Hazard CONFIRMS he's the best player in the League

Post by Gil on Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:46 pm

Valk :bow:





If you don't rate Hazard, fine that's your problem. Maybe pick another sport to follow though, he's an elite player.
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