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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Art Morte on Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:26 pm

@RealGunner wrote:Payet has 4 assists and 1 goal in his last 5 apps. He is hardly to be blamed for West Ham's form


He's put in a few crosses in matches West Ham have lost 4 - 2 and scored a free-kick against Accrington. He's done his luxury bit. The thing is, when he was playing for France in the summer, he was so active, getting on the ball all the time, running, passing, shooting, creating. He was like a kid in a candy store. Now he's back at West Ham and he's only coming alive a few times in a match. I watched until 2 - 0 against Soton yesterday and Payet was just walking about. Last season's Payet was looking to grab games by the neck, this season's Payet looks happy to wait for the ball to drop for him, do a little something and then go back to walking about. He's simply playing awful right now and a few assists from crosses doesn't change that.

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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by zigra on Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:11 pm

I had a look at his stats and it seems the not so active PL 16/17 Payet plays more passes per game than in the EC, creates more chances, dribbles more players, is fouled more often, is dispossesed less often, takes more shots and plays more crosses hmm

But I agree with Hans, this should be in a thread about Payet.
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Post by Art Morte on Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:56 pm

@zigra wrote:I had a look at his stats and it seems the not so active PL 16/17 Payet plays more passes per game than in the EC, creates more chances, dribbles more players, is fouled more often, is dispossesed less often, takes more shots and plays more crosses hmm

But I agree with Hans, this should be in a thread about Payet.


If that's true, it's yet more evidence why watching games tells actually more than checking out stats. Payet has simply been a luxury player this season.
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Post by Curtinho on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:09 pm

Firmino has always been better than Payet. Not really sure why that was ever a question.

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Post by M99 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:17 pm

@Curtinho wrote:Firmino has always been better than Payet. Not really sure why that was ever a question.


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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Nishankly on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:59 pm

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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by farfan on Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:57 pm

@Curtinho wrote:Firmino has always been better than Payet. Not really sure why that was ever a question.


Now let's wait  for a non-liverpool fan to agree with you .

Spoiler:
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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Red Alert on Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:53 am

I mean, it's not like your French bias has anything to do with it but do you really wanna play that card?

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Post by rincon on Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:55 am

Its not french bias, its common sense that Firmino hasnt always been better than Payet.
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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Red Alert on Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:12 am

Payet has only became relevant / well known in the last 2 years (last season and his last season in Ligue 1). He was only decent in football manager with not much to show in the real world before then.

They've been somewhat similar in those last 2 years.

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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Nishankly on Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:19 am

Payet is better because offers more on the ball, BUT:

Payet is like 5 years older than Firmino lol. That's a lot, Payet was nothing at 24. He's turning 30 this year?

Lets hope for France's sake he maintains this peak for another 2 years because if i look at this comparison of achievement at ages, Firmino will comfortably overtake him without even trying too hard.

And even if i look at the histories, Both players have nothing of note, Firmino has scored about 30 goals in 70 games while Payet has managed two Ligue 1 team XI's.

Shite comparison basically.
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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Red Alert on Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:26 am

Just because Messi, Suarez and Ronaldo etc score in like every game does not mean 30 goals in 70 games is poor lol. What's his record like under Klopp if you don't mind me asking?

Regardless that's actually a really good record, especially when you factor in that he's more playmaker than finisher. He's pretty much replacing Luis Suarez influence in the final third for us, and that's not an easy thing to do. He's not there yet with the goals, but his passes, movement, his press and leadership is second to none in our final third atm. And he's still only 24. The age Luis Suarez came to Anfield. hmm

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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Curtinho on Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:23 pm

Payet doesn't even offer more on the ball. His stats are inflated because he takes all the set pieces for a team that is built to be successful off of set pieces. From open play Firmino is decisively better. Not only is he just as creative and effective on the ball he's miles better off the ball in terms of pressing, intelligent movement and ball recovery.

Payet is a good player though.

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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by farfan on Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:07 pm

@Red Alert wrote:I mean, it's not like your French bias has anything to do with it but do you really wanna play that card?


Was it french bias when i said Ribery didn't deserve the Ballon d'or when everybody here beleived he did ? or when i said ( mistakenly ) that Hazard is better and has a higher ceiling than Griezmann two years ago ? I'll admit to a Lyon bias, but i'm far from being biased toward french players in general .

You guys on the other hand? you have this assertive and arrogant belief that each Liverpool player is either the most promising youngster in the world or the best in his position already .
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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Don't call me James on Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:50 pm

@farfan wrote:
You guys on the other hand? you have this assertive and arrogant belief that each Liverpool player is either the most promising youngster in the world or the best in his position already .


So being better than Payet now makes you the best in your position now? Laughing

No one is saying Firmino is best in the world. They are just saying he's better than Payet.

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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by chad4401 on Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:10 pm

Gotta agree with farfan here, about pool fans especially mckneejerk aka don't call me clueless, remember a Suarezless pool still had enough quality to beat defending cl champs RM, then they ended up going out in the group stages Laughing Proud.

pool fans every time their players are decent they have to prop them up to crazy heights for some reason... best this or most potential that, give the players couple season at least.

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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Unique on Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:23 pm

you know your club has over reacting fans when madrid fans are having a dig at it rofl rofl rofl

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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by rincon on Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:26 pm

@Don't call me James wrote:
@farfan wrote:
You guys on the other hand? you have this assertive and arrogant belief that each Liverpool player is either the most promising youngster in the world or the best in his position already .


So being better than Payet now makes you the best in your position now? Laughing

No one is saying Firmino is best in the world. They are just saying he's better than Payet.


Almost sure I read Liverpool fans writing here that he is on par with Sanchez and Ozil, and could be the best player in the league as early as this year.
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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Don't call me James on Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:30 pm

Ozil an Sanchez aren't the best at anything either.

I was the one who said that. I said Ozil and Sanchez are no better than Coutinho and Firmino. Which I believe in 100%.

Never said the best in the league though. As long as Aguero is around it's not much you can do.

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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:32 pm

Ozil had 20+ assists last year and probably would have cracked 30 if it wasn't for Giroud's form going to complete and utter shite.

Neither player is anywhere near him, Sanchez had a meh season last year so we'll see but considering his body of work they don't really have a case over him either.

I'm not surprised at all though. Laughing

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Post by Valkyrja on Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:33 pm

Ozil at this point is easily the best player in PL.

Aguero rofl

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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Don't call me James on Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:37 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:Ozil at this point is easily the best player in PL.

Aguero rofl


okay Laughing

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Post by Curtinho on Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:42 pm

I was the one who said Firmino could be the best player in the PL as early as this year. I stand by that comment.

Ozil is more creative but Firmino brings a better overall game and is a bigger goal threat. I could go into a really long discussion about it and their relative impact on the pitch but I don't have time right now. All I can say is that a player like Firmino is a bit underrated ATM by most fans.

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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:45 pm

@Curtinho wrote:

Ozil is more creative but Firmino brings a better overall game and is a bigger goal threat.


You can say that about a lot of players compared to Ozil but it doesn't mean they are better. He just happens to be so exceptional at what he does.

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Re: Roberto Firmino

Post by Unique on Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:49 pm

ozil is a top player but has anyone ever seen him get MOTM when his team have lost the game.

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Post by Kaladin on Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:50 pm

Ozil rofl

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